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RE: What is it you "need" in a master and how... - 2/1/2007 11:28:08 AM   
Devilslilsister


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snippy snippy folks.. and here i thought i had the all the stock on a bad mood today. 

Noah loved what you said.  You sounded like you were ranting, in which case you should do it more often. 

i was actually collared online before i met my Master.  Though we didnt have any d/s interactions and to be honest i didnt take it all that seriously.  Heck, i didnt take it all that seriously when he put a collar around my neck a week later.  It was supposed to be a conisideration collar, which he decided to skip and i thought "suuuuuuuuuure"  I also had it wiggling around in the back of my mind "No problem, if it doesnt work out - i'll just move on (or ditch him)" Always the option to walk if you dont like it. 

pretty much, i treated it like everyones pet peeve.  No respect, meaning, ect.  But here i am 2 1/2 years later STILL collared to the same man.  (and learning alot inbetween)

So what if you or anyone else doesnt like what others do....... who asked ya?  Who cares what you think?  We all take the route we take to get to where ever we're going.  And if ppl stopped to change the way they do it for every one that had an opionon about it......... they'd never get there. 

There are 50 million ways to do something, your way isnt the right way.  Its "your way"  If you dont like anothers way....... guess what......... too bad..... so sad..... nobody f'ing cares.

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RE: What is it you "need" in a master and how... - 2/1/2007 11:35:23 AM   
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quote:

devilslilsister
So what if you or anyone else doesnt like what others do....... who asked ya?


Gosh! I thought it was the op.

Sorry about the hijack...thread now returned to the op.

out.

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RE: What is it you "need" in a master and how... - 2/1/2007 11:46:06 AM   
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oh i wasnt replying to you Domiguy

i was replying to the OP my bad - fast reply


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RE: What is it you "need" in a master and how... - 2/1/2007 11:49:14 AM   
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So, back to the original topic----

Yes you 'need' beer in your Dominant. End of Joke.

Ron

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RE: What is it you "need" in a master and how... - 2/1/2007 11:53:29 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: domiguy

Your opinion...My opinion.   All the same I will stick with mine....But thanks for your thoughts....not my thread...just my opinion....and it was about "relationships."
I would not, and more importantly could not get "involved" with someone without the "relationship" going  "face to face" in a reasonable time. MY OPINION.

And  oh by the way.  I don't really don't care for lemon bars all that much I have found them to be the lowest form of baked goods....would you like to explain where my opinion and personal tastes are wrong on this topic as well.

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But do you think that people who like lemon bars are engaging in a low form of eating?

It is not your assertion that you do not like online that I took issue with, it was your assertion that it was a low form of interacting. I would not engage in an online anything ever again, but I do not state that it is "low".

And another thing is, you have tried lemon bars before and found them lacking, have you ever tried online? If you haven't then you are even less able to make a comment on it than someone who has in my opinion.

To be honest, I could give a crap about what you think of what i have done or whether or not you think it is lowly. I do not base my self esteem on your opinion. I did want to comment on it though, because frankly I find people who have to rate others as less than themselves usually are compensating for a lack of something within themselves. People online aren't hurting you or anyone else.. to me that is the line of low, those who hurt others... not whether or not they have a relationship structure I do not understand.

But again, it is only my opinion about your opinion and we all have opinions now don't we?

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RE: What is it you "need" in a master and how... - 2/1/2007 12:07:59 PM   
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lemon bars.  yuck  To the OP. If you cant be tolerant of how others live the lifestyle then get out of it. I dont understand how you can have holier than tho people in this lifestyle. Is having two faces a real kink?

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RE: What is it you "need" in a master and how... - 2/1/2007 12:08:55 PM   
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Since I liked the title of the thread so much more than the actual post that goes with it, I'm going to answer that instead. So there.

"What is it you 'need' in a Master and how do you get it?"

What I actually need and what I thought I needed turn out to be two very different things. I had so many expectations of what someone else should be doing, how they should be acting, the things they should be saying and if my expectations weren't meant, well, then I wasn't dealing with a Master and it wasn't my fault if I keep hooking up with lunkheads who were clueless and doing it all wrong.

I used to be such a schmuck. ::laughs:: Ok, maybe I'm being a little hard on myself, but truly, I had all these romantic and idealized notions of what living a life of D/s meant. I knew I wanted it, but I wanted it on my terms and let me tell you, I couldn't find a single perfect person who fit into this mold I had in my head. People are just so fucking flawed I'm surprised there are any Masters out there at all! I mean, how can I worship a God who farts in bed, burps after dinner and doesn't wear a tuxedo to the 7-11?

Turns out that what I 'need' in a Master is just another human that allows me to have some flaws and needs to take the power as much as I need to have it taken.

How I ended up finding him was by going through the swamp and kissing a whole lot of frogs. I found a frog who's warts weren't all that bad and kept him. Others might look at him and say I should have kept looking, but then they could look at me and say the same thing to him.. he shoulda kept kissing frogs .. but we share some good flies.. er times together and it's been working for a good long while. Ok, so we sit on a lily pad and eat flies rather than lounge in the mansion sipping champagne .. it works for us.

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RE: What is it you "need" in a master and how... - 2/1/2007 12:52:52 PM   
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you know what Celeste?  ME FRICKEN too

whatta a disapointment

i think i will create that thread and you should c/p


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RE: What is it you "need" in a master and how... - 2/1/2007 2:37:55 PM   
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Celeste thank you for actually running with the post instead of just getting your panties bunched up and telling me off for not understanding the online domination dynamic. I always thought that's what forums were for, the exchanging of ideas, silly me.

I work with chikdren and the same thing happens with them everyday. If you say something that is taken as derogatory the first human reaction seems to let everyone know in no uncertain terms that it does not apply to you. If I say something about them not putting their backpacks up then I get 30 responses like "Well I did.", "But I couldn't.", "I just got here" and the like then eventually one child will go and pick up all the bags and put them where they belong. If you  (and again I am not meaning you in particular, then again judging from the posts I have read of your's you wouldn't take it that I was) have found your one true one online and they happen to live in Timbuck-To but they own your mind and soul great. More power to you. If you got to know your one true one over years of chatting online then great for you as well. I was hoping that you could explain that and that is where the whole post was going but a growing few decided to run with the sarcastic parts and let me know that in no way shape or form did they have anything to do with them but with few reasons why other than because. 

I have to say I have been shocked, surprisingly so at how many people have gotten so mad at the mear thought that someone said something derogatory that wasn't about them if that is the case. Does anyone actually read what is written or just get through a line or so and go off on their own tangent.

Either way sorry for stirring up the hornet's nest. I thought that people could tell the difference between getting to know someone and becoming the property of someone you actually know nothing about, online or otherwise. Then again that common sense thing doesn't run very deep now a days.

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RE: What is it you "need" in a master and how... - 2/1/2007 4:46:01 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: domiguy

Your opinion...My opinion.   All the same I will stick with mine....But thanks for your thoughts....not my thread...just my opinion....and it was about "relationships."
I would not, and more importantly could not get "involved" with someone without the "relationship" going  "face to face" in a reasonable time. MY OPINION.

And  oh by the way.  I don't really don't care for lemon bars all that much I have found them to be the lowest form of baked goods....would you like to explain where my opinion and personal tastes are wrong on this topic as well.

out.

D.G.

p.s. Jesus please protect me from your followers.

quote:

juliaoceania
But do you think that people who like lemon bars are engaging in a low form of eating?
 
When I am King...All who eat lemon bars will be flogged...err...wait that means you would all start eating lemon bars. So never mind....Yes it is proven (Study conducted in 2005 by U.S Dept of Health and Human Services...will find link) "All who engage in the practice of eating and enjoying lemon bars are of a genetically inferior make up." So there!
quote:

juliaoceania
your assertion that you do not like online that I took issue with, it was your assertion that it was a low form of interacting. I would not engage in an online anything ever again, but I do not state that it is "low".

And another thing is, you have tried lemon bars before and found them lacking, have you ever tried online? If you haven't then you are even less able to make a comment on it than someone who has in my opinion.

julia my response was directed at missturbation who was talking about "sarcasm being the lowest form of wit."
So my response took on that same approach...And no I would not have a "relationship" on line. No I would not be interested in trying it...or tasting poop for that matter...If I found someone of interest I would immediately suggest a "face to face meeting"...Also as you can see from the pctures on my profile I am not a hideous looking man. Many women might find me palatable, and most of the "rash" on my face is now gone or greatly minimized by some miracle salve I bought from a man on the t.v. 
[qoute]juliaoceania
I find people who have to rate others as less than themselves usually are compensating for a lack of something within themselves. People online aren't hurting you or anyone else.. to me that is the line of low, those who hurt others...


When souls go on sale in Nirvana please p.m. me.

out.

D.G.

p.s. Jesus please protect me from your followers.

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RE: What is it you "need" in a master and how... - 2/1/2007 5:14:14 PM   
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quote:

All who engage in the practice of eating and enjoying lemon bars are of a genetically inferior make up." So there!


You know, if you become king lemon bar eaters will gain sympathy from the masses and be afforded special minority rights.

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RE: What is it you "need" in a master and how... - 2/1/2007 5:19:40 PM   
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I so love lemon bars.

I personally think that the lowest form of wit is the whole "Pull My Finger" routine.
But, then again, under certain circumstances, farts make me laugh.


< Message edited by justheather -- 2/1/2007 5:20:08 PM >


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RE: What is it you "need" in a master and how... - 2/1/2007 5:20:06 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: amiciaN

He is with U/us sitting across the table from each O/other.  W/we can see the O/other's face and hear just as well. 



Side note not worthy of a special topic for this.  What is with this capital letter/word pattern that I see frequently in various posts and writings.  No doubt it has significance to M/s condition, but beyond that?  Would what we speak be any less polite, or appropriate if W/we did not use this style of writing?  Sounds to me like something only a master or slave in some type of relationship would use in reference to their own relationship?  But let me give you a target to aim at - I think it might be to recognize that the Master's being/position is always shown to be superior.  Fire away!  Since I am not in a M/s position as of yet this is good for me to know. 

But a more on topic question to Julia (or anyone else who understands her statement a few comments above on 1-31-07).  She said:

(a type of question often heard on forum).....such as "I am nervous meeting master for the first time, what did you do when you met your master for the first time? Understand how it sounds to us that do not operate with cyber collars. I think that the vast majority of these questions are inane (not all, but a lot of them). But not all online relationships are inane because a few post questions like these......I think those that do post questions like the one I mentioned above often have no experience, they do not understand that many that are in real life do not throw terms around like this easily.....".
Okay,...guess is the reference to the person meeting as master?  Or so the potential or already sub/slave wants to make a good impression or better yet to please the Dom/Master but without asking him directly about this?   Does such concerns sound too much vanilla like?  Is the assumption here that appearance is not important or perhaps just reflecting some misplaced priorities to some extent?  What does the fact of having a real life relationship have to do with this when you hear such questions...the presumption he/she is already your master?  Do you assume a superior view on this type of concern?  And why if so?  Please clue me in on this.  Personally I would not use a "is my master" frame of reference before meeting, but I might ask how the Dom/Master would prefer me to dress on the first meet.  And better yet if the PM (potential Master) let me know on his own accord first if there was any preference, or panties or not if he brought this up.  If anything I think on my own I might tend to dress a bit down rather than up so he sees me as my usual self or lessor average looking self in case so if that would be a reason to reject me then let's get that out of the way early on, and move on.  After all not too many women look beautiful and alluring upon first waking up in the morning or even after a cup of coffee (maybe after a drink or two..or three...but not coffee..smiles!)

As for on-line relationships I can't judge for others, and likely some are well and strong but others are likely to be more in playland, but in one sense to me an on-line relationship allows a more pure take on the mental aspect of the relationship, without interference of a direct physical attraction....at least from my perspective/postion.  And then later on see if what happens in person is in accord with that mental connection, but if waiting too long then if appearance/chemistry is key for you then one risks the chance of having "wasted" one's time, except as a growth/training opportunity in general.  So what is your personal timeframe in life?

As to Tade's premise of  "How is it that you (as a submissive) can feel so strongly about someone as to call them your master without ever having even been alone in a room with them?" ...I think the strength of the connection is highly dependent on what the Dom/Master and the sub/slave is able to offer and receive from each other via this means of connection, which is perhaps really too neat of phrase to sufficiently cover this area.  I struggle with determining my own needs and the methods available to meet them as a potential slave, but have been open to a combination of on-line/sometimes-meeting type of relationship as one option, besides a Poly-slave type as well.  I do not yet fully know what exactly will be sufficient to me and for me to grow fully into my own basic being, and I feel I would be foolish to rule out too early on a more on-line style relationship especially when the PM (potential Master) has the kind of dominant presence that strongly connects to what I need at the moment, and know he is not playing around with me in-between poker hands.  But if he was playing cards while doing so, I would know what he said would be no less valuable to me but more an efficient use of his valuable time, and which I would admire as well as obviously he IS quite serious in what he is aiming to accomplish in me, and through himself.  How could I not be very grateful for that? 

However, I would not commit to move somewhere to live with someone without sufficient in-person contact which might range from one longish meeting (several days) to many in-person encounters, so spend a great deal more time with on-line communications without a collar from them before that would occur.  But that is just my own preferences, and I am not by any means desperate for meeting men outside this realm, or Masters in this arena.  In fact it's more the opposite situation which is hardly much more pleasant of having to deal with regularly, and somewhat confusing at times as the elements of attraction can be more easily masked--note some contacts do hit on "more cylinders" than others and look for the whole package deal.  I just prefer that the outside packaging does not outweigh it's contents. 

Chrissyslave  

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RE: What is it you "need" in a master and how... - 2/1/2007 7:27:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tade


Either way sorry for stirring up the hornet's nest. I thought that people could tell the difference between getting to know someone and becoming the property of someone you actually know nothing about, online or otherwise. Then again that common sense thing doesn't run very deep now a days.


It's all in the wording which gives specfic meaning to what is being said.

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