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Was it not Jan Fonda about whom I read on these boards that she betrayed a lot of US soldiers when she visited a prisoner of war concentration camp of the vietcong? Or am I mistaken?

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   Once again, I'll refer you to the 1972 Election and mention events like the Hard Hat Riots.

   Being unhappy with the actions this country has taken in Iraq is one thing, empowering a bunch of kooks is another.

So what you are saying is there is 0 difference between the anti-war movement in 1972 and the anti-war movement in 2006.  Seems a bit like living in the past and not evolving to deal with changes in extant reality, but if it works for you, I say go with it.

Sinergy

    Lots and lots of differences, Sinergy.  The movement during Vietnam was part of a much larger social upheaval AND had the self-interest factor going for it, ie, a draft.

    A bunch of flag-burning, America hating punks pissing off the great middle?  Oh you betcha they line up nicely.

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A lot of people who opposed the war in Vietnam were not draft age or even affected the the draft.

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My vision is one in which our people come home from Iraq and our government lets people live the way they choose even if they have the oil that we want. Anything less is just immoral.

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An interesting and noble stance Julia. I would be tempted however to argue that the government of the US should worry more about how US citizens want to live, than the citizens of another land. Unfortunately that means that should US citizens wish to lash out after an attack, or continue the supremacy of the dollar in the world oil market then that must be that governments priority. Kudos to you for standing tall and saying it is not what you want.

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This has shit to do with the actual Vietnam war or war protesters in general and I dont like how it seems this thread is trying to deflect towards that. It has to do with one very fucked up individual who put her head so far up her ass that she has to see though her neck.

Where in the name of peace do you voluntarily use your celebrity be escorted with high publicity  around as a guest by people we where in armed conflict with in an obvious show of support for them?...where in the name of peace do you call US servicemembers, POWs no less, liars with overreactive imaginations, where in the name of peace do you go before those same POWs and hold a staged press conference as propoganda, where in the name of peace do you applaud the then soviets for funding the same people who where killing and torturing servicemen, where in the fucking name of peace do you lobby to stop economic aid to South Vietnam even after the US had pulled out?

Peace my ass, I dont give two fucks about the politics of today (i'm a libertarian, like hell we'll ever get what we want), or about the war i'll be leaving to fight, or the war decades ago that wasent even my generation, I do give two shits about my uncle Johnny and My theo Carlos, I care about what they feel, what theyve been through, and I trust thier word over this wrinkled old cunt.

If they say the only things fitting her where Uncle Johnny's dick in her ass and Uncle Carlos's .45 through her mouth for what she did to them and thier old buddies, then I'll take thier word for it.

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  Hehehehehe....  The anti-war movement just proved they can get even more marginal.

... and I would characterize that statement as a tactical attempt to marginalize quite a few millions of people without bothering to engage any of the reasoning behind their position.

JT

    Millions???   We can get 10 times as many illegals to a local rally in Los Angeles than the anti-war bunch can to a national protest in DC.

   And most of the blue-collar Democrats I know hate Fonda even more than they hate Bush.

    (just saw that you are in LA...  Remember the day without traffic jams, oops, I mean "The Day Without An Immigrant?")

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This has shit to do with the actual Vietnam war or war protesters in general and I dont like how it seems this thread is trying to deflect towards that. It has to do with one very fucked up individual who put her head so far up her ass that she has to see though her neck.

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Rumtiger:
I am a little unclear as to your meaning in the above post.
Do you mean to say that in a conflict that the congress of the United States had not concured  in (the constitution says they are the only ones who can declare war).  That a private citizen may not express their opinion.  And that now you are going to war to support the constitution that expresses that right.
thompson

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This has shit to do with the actual Vietnam war or war protesters in general and I dont like how it seems this thread is trying to deflect towards that. It has to do with one very fucked up individual who put her head so far up her ass that she has to see though her neck.

True or False? Was South Vietnam a rogue nation once Diem refused to obey the UN mandate of national elections?

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Rumtiger:
I am a little unclear as to your meaning in the above post.
Do you mean to say that in a conflict that the congress of the United States had not concured  in (the constitution says they are the only ones who can declare war).  That a private citizen may not express their opinion.  And that now you are going to war to support the constitution that expresses that right.
thompson

I mean to say that Jane Fonda is someone whose actions hurt American POWs, and if she hurt just one thats enough in my mind to warrant the treatment to her that my uncles described. Dont try to turn this into some 1st amendment debate, when I look at a situation like that I see nothing more then a piece of the gene pool that should have had a spot of clorox put in. It's a personal, moral opinion and ideal, it has nothing to do with the law of the land. And like I said before, what kind of person for peace does that kind of shit?

As for trying to tell me why I'm doing what i'm doing, dont dare bother, you dont know me or what I feel or think. I'm not going into the military for the constitution, i'm not going for my country, i'm going for me. War is just part of the job.

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RumTiger:
I was not trying to tell you anything but rather to seek clarification.  Now that you have clarified your position I would hope you would have the candor to tell the officer administering the oath that you are required to take when you join the military  that you do not give a fuck about the constutution you are only interested in the "Rock and Roll".
thompson

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RumTiger:
I was not trying to tell you anything but rather to seek clarification.  Now that you have clarified your position I would hope you would have the candor to tell the officer administering the oath that you are required to take when you join the military  that you do not give a fuck about the constutution you are only interested in the "Rock and Roll".
thompson

I'm pretty sure I said I'm joining for me...the rest is what is part of the job.
Your doing that pretending like you know me shit again.

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look up.