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MissBabydoll -> RE: Jihad Jane??? (2/1/2007 8:00:08 PM)
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ORIGINAL: Rumtiger
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ORIGINAL: MissBabydoll
But now to your last paragraph. To paraphrase, it seems you're saying that if your two Vietnam vet relatives found it appropriate, you would applaud them anally raping this "wrinkled old cunt" and then shooting her dead by putting a pistol in her mouth. This, mind you, not for torturing or killing anyone or causing those things to happen, but for expressing opinions you and they disagree with during a war already deeply unpopular with the American people. Your revenge fantasy is not merely disgusting and misogynistic in the extreme but expresses a deep personal rage against women, especially older ones. I fear for any female who is unlucky enough to be intimate with you if she happens to make you angry.
So, you know me now, well lets get personal then.
I can surmize from your post (just as your attempting to do with mine) that you are a self centered and self indulgent woman [etc etc]
No?
Well guess what, niether is yours.
Being raised by all women (particularly my two grandmothers and my numerous upon numerous aunts) who I love with all my heart, would be enough to refute your accusations, but the fact my mistress is also older then me assists as well. Anybody who has actually looked at a few of my posts (not to mention who have really met me) know that I am loyal to the numerous women in my life (by which I mean family, friends ect.) to a severe fault.
Where is my misoginy now?...my Rage against older women?....
My rage is towards stupid people. And for someone who in most of her post makes it clear of her feelings for Barbarella's intelligence, you sure put your ass in your mouth with that little attempted analysis now dident'cha?
I never said I was in support of the Vietnam war, I personally think it is a FUBAR situation that never should have been started. I also share the same feelings about Iraq, so dont think about attempting to label me as a supporter there.
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As for you babydoll, you take the words of two old soldiers and try to twist it around just so you can make yourself feel better then someone else by making them, and me, look like raging, raping, killers.
I wasent there, you werent there, but they where. If they feel such outrage such as this then who the hell are we to say it is unjustified?
By the way, if your a therapist of any kind as your day job, quit today.
Dude, you never said you were quoting them. You said that *if* they wanted to actually do that, it was justified, because of what they went through. You implied that you would, because they had suffered horribly in that vile war, as they no doubt did, approve such action on their part. Now obviously, I can't legislate anyone's feelings, nor would I want to. If that's how they feel, that's how they feel. I assure you I have met and listened to enough Vietnam vets in My time to know how horrible it was. But that's not the same thing as saying any such *action* would be justified. (Any kinky person knows to draw that line--lots of women have "being sexually overpowered" fantasies, but that doesn't mean they actually want to raped.) I come from a family with a shrink and two social workers in it, and I can tell you that most people who commit acts of hideous violence have themselves been abused. To quote from My favorite poem, "September 1, 1939" by W. H. Auden, which someone sent Me after 9/11:
"I and the public know
What all school children learn:
Those to whom evil is done
Do evil in return."
So no, I don't agree that their suffering justifies committing an atrocity against an old woman--or any woman--no matter how dumb and wrongheaded she is. My aunt Shana back in 1973, when she was a student at SUNY Buffalo, hitched a ride with a Vietnam vet who then proceeded to rape her repeatedly and drive her around for two hours with her head in his lap and a knife at her neck, deciding whether or not to kill her. He justified this by what he had gone through in Vietnam. And yes, she was against the war and had told him so. And Shana is anything but dumb.
If I misjudged you personally, on the other hand, I am sorry. I'm glad you love the women in your life and that you serve one. But I felt a lot of anger in what you wrote, and the image you conjured was frightening and and angering and disgusting to Me, because tens of thousands of men every fucking day all over the fucking planet do shit like that to women, and worse. For real. Read what you actually wrote. If you don't want to be misinterpreted, I suggest you try to write a bit more clearly.
For the record, I never said or implied I felt superior to you or your vet relatives. Nor did I need to twist anything around, not did I do so. I just reject out of hand any justication for violence against women by men other than in self-defense. And I wish I was flexy enough to get My ass to My mouth--got close when I was a dancer, but I haven't been practicing. Autocunnilingus, anyone?
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