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Real0ne -> RE: Jihad Jane??? (2/2/2007 12:48:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BabyGirlOooh

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ORIGINAL: mcbride

Sorry, BabyGirlOooh, but it is a myth.

Obviously, she went to Hanoi, and people can make their own judgements, but what you posted is, indeed, another net fake, and full of lies.  Among other things, "Jerry Driscoll and Larry Carrigan have publicly denied the accounts attributed to them", so I don't know how honourable it is to put lies in their mouths.

I tend to think those who condemn her could find enough ammunition in the facts of her visit, so you're not helping them, either.

Here's just one of many sites that debunks this:
http://www.breakthechain.org/exclusives/hanoijane.html


Ok babe...... Let's agree to disagree - because maybe I just don't like her lol.....
 
I'm very leery of wishy-washy people, and she fits the definition to a T........
 
In my humble opinion, she's back in the spotlight because it's very difficult for an actress in her 60's to get any kinda decent part in a film......... and she needs the attention......
 
But you know what they say about opinions lol........ 
 
Have a nice weekend........
 



like it or not the real war criminals were in the white house!




Rumtiger -> RE: Jihad Jane??? (2/2/2007 12:53:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BabyGirlOooh


Sorry RumTiger, but dontcha think that it's sad that you kids today have to GO TO WAR in order to learn a skill and carve a career for yourself ???
I sincerely hope that you get stationed in Sturgis :)


This is kind of why I wanted to keep my reasons to myself...I dont want to make myself seem like i'm one of those people who joined up for college money, thats not the reason, though it is a nice benefit aint it?




Sternhand4 -> RE: Jihad Jane??? (2/2/2007 12:57:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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ORIGINAL: WyrdRich

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

The crux of the matter is this: Are we allowed to our opinions?



   Of course.  And you are allowed to accept whatever reaction others, also entitled to their opinions, decide to point at you.  Freedom isn't free.  Sometimes you get to spend the rest of your life in the bed you make.


My response was based upon BH's assertions that celebrities should be held responsible for what they say if it is negative about troops, as if their opinions put troops in harm's way... you took my comment out of context to spin it.

I will state this again, for the record... when someone comes into my backyard and tries to take my freedom I will defend it... I do not need the American military to be in 138 countries to protect my freedom. They are not protecting my freedom, they are protecting capitalism for capitalists... so trying to state that my statements are bad for morale of troops that are stationed overseas fighting wars for oil is a little disingenuous, it is the people that sent them there that lowered their morale, not me.


So we should wait till we are attacked in your backyard, before we { sorry you..} will repond. Just so I'm assured that you have the capabilities to insure our safety, what types of armaments do you stockpile? Are you a Waco girl? lol.
No, I think that I and most responsible adults will let the appropriate people handle these types of fights. The US military.
I'd much prefer to have these fights overseas as well, If you havent visited ground zero in manhattan then maybe you should. You'll have a greater understanding why we need to fight outside US borders.

You have a right to protest, but be assured your picture in the paper or letter to the editor,  news brodcast segment is being used. It provides support and aid to our enemys. It helps them recruit. It gives them propaganda to use against our POWS. It gives them HOPE and steals it from our guys/gals over there.

Think about that as well.

Play safe
S




KenDckey -> RE: Jihad Jane??? (2/2/2007 1:16:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

I love Jane    I hope she jumps out of a perfectly good airplane without a parachute and lands on a telephone pole and thrills herself to death.  

Bitch had a guy try to stop me from going home by ordering this guy to come through my window and steal my car keys.   He met Mr M1911A1 and backed off quickly.   Strange how that will open a hole in the crowd that blocked my way home.   Next time I just carried Mr M1 carbine on my dash and they stayed away.


KenDckey:
What did you ever do to Ms. Fonda that would cause her to order someone to come through your window and steal your car keys?

thompson


I had my wife and 2 babies in my car with me.   Guess it was because I lived on an Air Force Base.


KenDcky:
The AP at the gate allowed you to pass with an M1 Carbine on the dash of your car as you came and went...You must have been someone very special.
thompson


ROFLMAO   He was my next door neighbor




Rumtiger -> RE: Jihad Jane??? (2/2/2007 1:23:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
Rumtiger:
What is it exactly that makes the "boots on the ground" sacrosanct?  We were fighting an illegal war.  We were war criminals we were murderers but mostly we were tree snuffers.  When we could not find the "enemy" we just broke stuff up for the hell of it...they were called "targets of opportunity"  If you do not believe this perhaps you should acquaint yourself with names like Cam Ne and Mei Lei.  Since you were never there and you seem to have a limited knowledge of that conflict you look to be standing in pretty shallow water. 
I am curious how you might behave towards "boots on the ground" were you to find yourself, once you join the service, as a prison guard at Gitmo,  Would you treat your charges as honorable warriors or otherwise? 
thompson


Dont ever patronize me again.

I'm well aware of the military's job being to kill people and break stuff. And my reason for being in this thread in the first place was not about policies, politics or fucked up shit in Vietnam and i've made that pretty fucking clear by now, that goes for you too fargle.

if today you where to call me or my brother (a Marine whose already served his tours in Iraq) those same things, it wouldent be any different then Vietnam decades ago, not because of policy and not because of any shit that happened, it's because we are not in charge of what happens, we're just there to do our job, do what we are told to do, or in the words of my brother: "do what is necessary so that we came back alive."

You think the soldiers had any real say about where they went, where they fought or why they went? Going after them means your going after those with the least power in the situation, those without a real choice, it makes people like Jane Fonda cowards, and people who would do the same as her cowards, not cowards because they dident fight, thats our right as Americans to join the military or not, but it seems pretty fucking cowardly to me to attack those who simply had to do things without a say.

take your deabte about policy and the rest of the political bullshit and shove it, its not what i'm here for.

And by the way, what I intend to do in the military, and what goes on in my head isent your business unless I want it to be.




Real0ne -> RE: Jihad Jane??? (2/2/2007 2:05:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sternhand4
So we should wait till we are attacked in your backyard, before we { sorry you..} will repond. Just so I'm assured that you have the capabilities to insure our safety, what types of armaments do you stockpile? Are you a Waco girl? lol.
No, I think that I and most responsible adults will let the appropriate people handle these types of fights. The US military.
I'd much prefer to have these fights overseas as well, If you havent visited ground zero in manhattan then maybe you should. You'll have a greater understanding why we need to fight outside US borders.

You have a right to protest, but be assured your picture in the paper or letter to the editor,  news brodcast segment is being used. It provides support and aid to our enemys. It helps them recruit. It gives them propaganda to use against our POWS. It gives them HOPE and steals it from our guys/gals over there.

Think about that as well.

Play safe
S


Wake up buddy!  All yo uhave to do is figure out a way to elect an approriate leader of that military.

Here is what you can find in the national archives!!!

BBush-Nazi Link Confirmed
Documents in National Archives Prove
George W. Bush's Grandfather Traded
with Nazis - Even After Pearl Harbor
By John Buchanan
Exclusive to The New Hampshire Gazette
http://www.rense.com/general42/bshnazi.htm


George Walker, GW's great-grandfather, also set up the takeover of the Hamburg-America Line, a cover for I.G. Farben's Nazi espionage unit in the United States. In Germany, I.G. Farben was most famous for putting the gas in gas chambers; it was the producer of Zyklon B and other gasses used on victims of the Holocaust. The Bush family was not unaware(that means they were aware!) of the nature of their investment partners. They hired Allen Dulles, the future head of the CIA, to hide the funds they were making from Nazi investments and the funds they were sending to Nazi Germany, rather than divest. It was only in 1942, when the government seized Union Banking Company assets under the Trading With The Enemy Act, that George Walker and Prescott Bush stopped pumping money into Hitler's regime.
http://www.disinfo.com/archive/pages/dossier/id195/pg1/


Did it ever occur to you just maybe you are pointing your guns in the wrong direction?

Think about that!




farglebargle -> RE: Jihad Jane??? (2/2/2007 2:14:55 PM)


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ORIGINAL: WyrdRich

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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Cointelpro was pretty busy back in the day. Nixon went to war against The People.


Yes, I am aware of that, my question was, what is the proof that Jane Fonda was cointelpro? Saying in general terms that people were cointelpro is different from accusing a specific individual of this.... but if there is documented proof, I am very open minded.




I don't buy for a second that Jane Fonda was 'sent.' She actively sided against her country and gave aid to the enemy. I call that an unforgiveable act of treason. Her apology is NOT accepted.

COINTELPRO went far beyond petty intrusions like phone taps and mail intercepts. Sending agents to interview a second graders teacher and making sure word got about the commies in town for instance. Costing the head of a household every employment he was able to obtain and denying food stamps. Now that's how you harass people.



Disappearing people when they ran out to pick up a pizza. Running people off the road on their motorcycles put them in the hospital for a few months... Never forget how the Dead Rock Stars couldn't sing about revolution anymore eh?





farglebargle -> RE: Jihad Jane??? (2/2/2007 2:16:53 PM)

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Freedom isn't free.


Correct. The price of Freedom is accepting the risk of other people being Free.

I wonder if that's not the real issue. America is such a bunch of pussies they've forgotten that they need to be BRAVE ENOUGH to earn their freedom. Closing Boston because billboards ads is a good example.




farglebargle -> RE: Jihad Jane??? (2/2/2007 2:18:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: WyrdRich

Play the legalese word games all you want, Thom. When men in the uniform of this country are dying on the ground, and a citizen of this country gives aid to the people killing them, I call that treason. So do an awful lot of others.


Really? I call putting America Troops in danger, by participating in an unlawful war, Treason.

Don't call the people who want the troops home traitors. Call the people who PUT THE TROOPS THERE traitors.







farglebargle -> RE: Jihad Jane??? (2/2/2007 2:23:27 PM)

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What is it exactly that makes the "boots on the ground" sacrosanct?


Because the chickenshits who PUT troops in jeopardy HIDE BEHIND THEM, even though say, their daughters do not serve.





Rumtiger -> RE: Jihad Jane??? (2/2/2007 2:23:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

Really? I call putting America Troops in danger, by participating in an unlawful war, Treason.

Don't call the people who want the troops home traitors. Call the people who PUT THE TROOPS THERE traitors.



And what about the people who your defending who are calling the troops themselves things akin to traitors? What do you call them?




farglebargle -> RE: Jihad Jane??? (2/2/2007 2:24:57 PM)

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I am curious how you might behave towards "boots on the ground" were you to find yourself, once you join the service, as a prison guard at Gitmo, Would you treat your charges as honorable warriors or otherwise?


Question #2: If your squad was planning on murdering a family and raping their 14 year old daughter, would you frag the sick fucks, or "Go Along to Get Along?"





farglebargle -> RE: Jihad Jane??? (2/2/2007 2:30:11 PM)

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What is a definite fact is that the propoganda value of her visit was used to inflict torture and emotional distress on our POW's.


Perhaps that pain was Karmic Equalization for the children burnt to death, and their mothers?

There was much pain, but I have a problem discounting the FIVE MILLION DEAD VIETNAMESE. Just like I have issues with the MILLION DEAD IRAQIs. ( And if you don't like a million, how many dead iraqis do you think there are? How many are acceptable to you? )

Again, it's not Jane Fonda who PUT THE TROOPS ON THE GROUND, FOR DUMB FUCKING REASONS.





farglebargle -> RE: Jihad Jane??? (2/2/2007 2:31:48 PM)

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I watched a 20/20 new show yesterday and it showed how injured vets back from Iraq were healing through extreme sports in colorado.


I wonder if 20/20 will spend the same time covering the 1/3 of ALL VETERANS who spend time living homeless on the streets. Great way to take care of them, George!





Real0ne -> RE: Jihad Jane??? (2/2/2007 2:34:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

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Freedom isn't free.


Correct. The price of Freedom is accepting the risk of other people being Free.

I wonder if that's not the real issue. America is such a bunch of pussies they've forgotten that they need to be BRAVE ENOUGH to earn their freedom. Closing Boston because billboards ads is a good example.


The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.
--Thomas Jefferson





farglebargle -> RE: Jihad Jane??? (2/2/2007 2:35:11 PM)

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No, I think that I and most responsible adults will let the appropriate people handle these types of fights. The US military.


Are you an American? I can't tell. Let me bring you up to speed. Standing Armies are prohibited by The Constitution, and we have a duty and responsibility to keep and bear arms for our own defense.

So, NO responsible adult will let ANYONE do THEIR fighting for them. That's why we're guaranteed the right to keep and bear arms.

Expecting to be taken care of is for Socialists.





Real0ne -> RE: Jihad Jane??? (2/2/2007 2:37:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle
Again, it's not Jane Fonda who PUT THE TROOPS ON THE GROUND, FOR DUMB FUCKING REASONS.


yes and again THEY ARE POINTING THEIR GUNS AT THE WRONG ENEMY!!!




Rumtiger -> RE: Jihad Jane??? (2/2/2007 2:39:56 PM)

-sigh- I'm done




farglebargle -> RE: Jihad Jane??? (2/2/2007 2:41:24 PM)

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I'm well aware of the military's job being to kill people and break stuff.


Too bad about forgetting that DUTY to refuse unlawful orders. You know, if your comrades in arms gave a shit about discipline, Abu-Grahib and Gitmo wouldn't have happened. And families wouldn't have been murdered to facilitate the rape of a 14 year old girl.

Go talk to them about why your reputation is trashed. Maybe when y'all remember the DUTY to question of a Citizen Soldier rather than the Blind Obedience of a slave, you'll start refusing the unlawful orders, and putting down the animals you permit within the ranks and maybe you can begin earning the respect of The People.

I hear there are members of the Officer's Corps who have already refused redeployment, due to the unlawful nature of the orders.

In other News, Bush is going to actually send 40,000 Troops, not 21,500 troops for the surge. When will the lies be enough?





farglebargle -> RE: Jihad Jane??? (2/2/2007 2:43:32 PM)

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And what about the people who your defending who are calling the troops themselves things akin to traitors? What do you call them?


It depends, Were they obediently following orders to conduct an unlawful war? You seem to always want to dance around that central issue, but once again we are back to it. If you obediently follow an unlawful order, you are not working for The People and deserve neither their respect nor support.








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