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daddysprop247 -> RE: Have No Rights (2/3/2007 1:40:36 PM)
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ORIGINAL: MasterWilliam55
Just because a sub does not choose to excersise certain rights, does not mean they don't exist. When a Dom never asks anything of his sub that would seriously hurt her and never refuses her anything that she really needs, he by default acknowledges she has rights. The right not to be abused, the right to look after her health, the right to live...etc. By saying a sub can Leave of her own choosing over anything you do that she objects to...is acknowledging free will. She stays by consent. Are you going to ask her things she can't consent to...not likely.
Statements like "you have no rights but the one's I give you"...is pure retoric. It isn't the Dom giving out rights...it's the sub giving up certain rights. You can tell your slave that she must report to you at 12 noon every day. Her job may not allow that. So she comes back with 2:30...asking you. "Will that work ,Sir" She is negotiating what she actually Can do to make the dynamic work.
In other words, these relationships are not black and white. If your slave says No, and you won't listen to the point she heads out the door, what exactly have you proven? Lets see, you've proven she has rights, and just excersised one of them. Incidently, if it goes that far, you've also proven she is stronger than you.
This is BDSM slavery, not Real historical slavery.
the description above sounds to me more like a non-ownership D/s relationship than a M/s union. i can certainly say that none of the above apply in this house. whenever my Master gives or allows me the things i need, such as food or medical care, i am grateful because these things are not rights, are not guarantees, and he is not obligated to do them for me. and there have been times when he has not, just because. that's his perogative. likewise, he has often demanded (he does not "ask") things of me that he knew would result in serious harm, whether physical or emotional. sometimes that was part of the point. sometimes the end result was irrelevant to his needs or desires at that moment. whatever the case, that too is his his perogative. but again, my relationship does not come with the "break glass in case of emergency" clause of having the right to leave of my own free will.
i think for some this concept is so difficult to understand because they hold their rights (whether legal or "human") so near and dear that the thought of no longer having them as an option seems an impossibility. then i think for others, they do not understand the mindset of a slave or of one who needs to be slave, and the intense conditioning that can take place within such a relationship.
when i first became my Master's property, for that first year and a bit, he kept me very isolated, very little contact with the outside world. all former friendships, connections with family, jobs/school, etc., had to come to an abrupt end. some would call this a sign of abuse, however it's not uncommon in certain M/s circles, and very effective in the initial training and conditioning of a new slave. this was the period where while i understood that i had given up all freedoms of my former life, there was a little part of my mind secure in the knowledge that he would never subject me to x, y, or z, wouldn't really hurt me, would listen to me, etc. mentally, i had placed limits over him, and expected him to respect those (hey i was a newbie!). so imagine my surprise and terror when he proceeded to do x, y, and z, times 10, hurt me (frequently and with great delight), degrade me, and often had me go without the things many would consider to be basic rights, such as food, use of a bathroom, affection, etc. this sort of thing is known to some as the "breaking in" period. there were times i likened my life to hell. times when my depression would hit hard and i would plan ways to "leave" my Master, via suicide. times when i wondered what the heck had i gotten myself into. this was the time when, tho i understood that as a slave, i no longer had rights, blah blah blah, way way way in the back of my mind i secretly did believe i had rights, and i was hurt that these "rights" weren't being respected. that's why the conditioning of that first year + was so necessary. you have to reach a point where you are not just actively choosing not to exercise any rights, but when you truly no longer have any ability to exercise those so-called rights.
now, i am broken. He owns me to the very center of my being. i can no longer fathom an existence without being his slave. there is no small part of me that yearns to be free. my free will has successfully been conditioned out of me. so that, he could leave the doors unlocked, point the way out, and say "go now, there will be no consequences," and i could not move an inch, even if i wanted to. rights? what rights? i am broken, this is all i know, want or need.
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