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RE: Sabotaging my own happiness - 2/3/2007 10:32:08 AM   
LuckyAlbatross


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I think a large part of this issue is that it has not gotten any roots to it in your day to day life OFFLINE.  I think he's micromanaging online as an attempt to get you to feel controlled but not giving you any reinforcement to make following such a rule any practical or substantive change in your life.

You're a doer, you said, and I think that will require a training technique a lot more involved than just giving orders and holding up a green or red flag when they are followed.

As far as please, I have to say my nephews have been saying please and thank you about 5 months after they learned to talk.  It helps when everyone around them reminds them, shows a good example to them and praises them when they follow through. 

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RE: Sabotaging my own happiness - 2/3/2007 10:43:20 AM   
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Yet magically the habits ingrained over 30 years are to be altered overnight because he says so? I don't think so. Has he offered you any help to change?


Let me phrase my question a little differently.  Say your Dominant one prefers to be called something in particular when addressing him or her as a show of respect.  How long should it take a person to grasp that one concept before they are held accountable for not doing so?  One day, a week?  This is not an overnight situation.  As I stated earlier, it has been several weeks now.  I am really uncomfortable with the direction this thread has started to take.  I am not looking for "compassion" or a pat on the head telling me that that big bad mean Dom is not doing right.  I think it is his right and my desire to be dicplined.  (There is a difference between dicipline and punishment that is a totally different topic.)  To answer your question in this particular quote, I believe he has been patient with me while I try to get my head right.  He has used a few methods of bringing forth what he deems as appropriate behavior from one who wishes to belong to him.  I reinterate that none of the methods he employs to bring such dicipline into our relationship are the issue at hand here.  If I am allowed to always do things "my way" that completely destroys the dynamic we are attempting to set into place.  I simply came here looking for suggestions on how to better handle myself in said situations where I get forgetful or come across these mental blocks.

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The failure here is him. He is too ignorant to know what he's asking and too lazy to help you find a way to succeed. He's disappointed in you? Funny I'd be disappointed in myself for picking someone like him.  


I still do not see how so many of you jump to the conclusion that HE has failed ME.  He is doing exactly as I expected and needed him to.  I guess this is where everyone agrees to disagree.  We all have our own perception of what a great relationship entails.

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RE: Sabotaging my own happiness - 2/3/2007 11:25:39 AM   
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We are not all *trainable* in the same way, you know. Wouldn't a canny master use the tools within you to achieve things? There are many ways to skin a cat, why continue using a way that isn't working over several weeks? It's not as if you *couldn't care less*, it appears to matter a good deal to you to comply with his wish, and all that's being accomplished at the moment is inner distress.

If I'm SINCERELY trying to do something he wishes, I would never, ever suffer his disappointment if I don't manage it, because he has everything he can possibly get....my effort and willingness.....he can't have any more than that because I can't offer any more than that.

As for the story........He might be alone and bored, in a strange city.......but he sprung something on you, that you have a problem doing. Over time you might well find it easier and easier but you're hardly going to go from *never done this, find it so hard*....to *trotting it out like an old hand* during a phone call, no matter how compliant you wish to be.

I may be talking out of my hat, because I'm used to a different situation.

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RE: Sabotaging my own happiness - 2/3/2007 11:33:13 AM   
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Nothing you've said has suggested that you want to do things *your way* ...quite the opposite. You seem to feel you are failing in some respect with your level of willingness? If you are sincerely willing and are trying as best you can.........what more can you do?

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RE: Sabotaging my own happiness - 2/3/2007 1:38:33 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: tearfulsurrender

quote:

Yet magically the habits ingrained over 30 years are to be altered overnight because he says so? I don't think so. Has he offered you any help to change?


Let me phrase my question a little differently.  Say your Dominant one prefers to be called something in particular when addressing him or her as a show of respect.  How long should it take a person to grasp that one concept before they are held accountable for not doing so?  One day, a week?  This is not an overnight situation.  As I stated earlier, it has been several weeks now.  I am really uncomfortable with the direction this thread has started to take.  I am not looking for "compassion" or a pat on the head telling me that that big bad mean Dom is not doing right.  I think it is his right and my desire to be dicplined.  (There is a difference between dicipline and punishment that is a totally different topic.)  To answer your question in this particular quote, I believe he has been patient with me while I try to get my head right.  He has used a few methods of bringing forth what he deems as appropriate behavior from one who wishes to belong to him.  I reinterate that none of the methods he employs to bring such dicipline into our relationship are the issue at hand here.  If I am allowed to always do things "my way" that completely destroys the dynamic we are attempting to set into place.  I simply came here looking for suggestions on how to better handle myself in said situations where I get forgetful or come across these mental blocks.


O.K., you say you are uncomfortable with the direction this thread has taken...that many have expressed our opinion that he is not being patient with you and/or he is displaying other poor behavior.  Since you state that his behavior is appropriate, let's look at your own.  Perhaps you need to have more patience with yourself?  Perhaps you need to do some study in terms of incorporating something into your make-up?  Such as saying "please"...someone noted that it takes 28 days to build a habit and that is doing it each and every day in every situation it is called for.  So...find situations it is called for and think about them ahead of time.  If you go to Starbucks for morning coffee, think ahead of time of how you are going to ask for that coffee.  Say it in your head..."now remember, t.s., when you ask for coffee, use the word "Please".  Now remember, t.s., when you ask for coffee, use the word "Please"."  When I was in the service, I learned that there are many things a soldier is supposed to know and do as if it is second-nature.  But you do not get to that spot by some magical gleaning from the "good soldier" handbook placed under your pillow at night and all the teaching coming into your head.  You do it by repetition of the acts taught to you.  The teacher can only go so far, it is up to you to incorporate the training...if you can't, then it may be time for some self-appraisal:  what am I doing that I cannot get it right?  Am I sabotaging my efforts and/or his?  Why am I doing that?  And remember that self-appraisal can, it one lets it, turn into an endless round of self-examination that becomes indulgent rather than helpful.

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The failure here is him. He is too ignorant to know what he's asking and too lazy to help you find a way to succeed. He's disappointed in you? Funny I'd be disappointed in myself for picking someone like him.  


I still do not see how so many of you jump to the conclusion that HE has failed ME.  He is doing exactly as I expected and needed him to.  I guess this is where everyone agrees to disagree.  We all have our own perception of what a great relationship entails.


Perhaps it is not so much that everyone sees him as the "great cause" of your disappointment nor the "great failure" but rather, they were trying not to dump on you.  I am pretty sure that everyone is aware that a dominant cannot lead where a submissive will not go and so, that makes room for fault on both sides.  I am a big believer in the idea that no one is ever 100% right in most disagreements but then, that also means that the other party is never 100% wrong.  You know yourself, or will know yourself better if you do some self-appraisal...and you know that this man, no matter how wonderful or magnificent or awesome he is...is still human and has not known you all your life.  If there is a way that he could help you more, then communicate that to him.  It can be done without seeming to "top from the bottom". 

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RE: Sabotaging my own happiness - 2/3/2007 1:56:17 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant




O.K., you say you are uncomfortable with the direction this thread has taken...that many have expressed our opinion that he is not being patient with you and/or he is displaying other poor behavior.  Since you state that his behavior is appropriate, let's look at your own.  Perhaps you need to have more patience with yourself?  Perhaps you need to do some study in terms of incorporating something into your make-up?  Such as saying "please"...someone noted that it takes 28 days to build a habit and that is doing it each and every day in every situation it is called for.  So...find situations it is called for and think about them ahead of time.  If you go to Starbucks for morning coffee, think ahead of time of how you are going to ask for that coffee.  Say it in your head..."now remember, t.s., when you ask for coffee, use the word "Please".  Now remember, t.s., when you ask for coffee, use the word "Please"."  When I was in the service, I learned that there are many things a soldier is supposed to know and do as if it is second-nature.  But you do not get to that spot by some magical gleaning from the "good soldier" handbook placed under your pillow at night and all the teaching coming into your head.  You do it by repetition of the acts taught to you.  The teacher can only go so far, it is up to you to incorporate the training...if you can't, then it may be time for some self-appraisal:  what am I doing that I cannot get it right?  Am I sabotaging my efforts and/or his?  Why am I doing that?  And remember that self-appraisal can, it one lets it, turn into an endless round of self-examination that becomes indulgent rather than helpful.


I agree with this.
you should try and incorporate the word please in your everyday life. Make it a *conscious effort* in every conversation you have. Before long it will become a habit.  



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RE: Sabotaging my own happiness - 2/3/2007 4:07:28 PM   
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Thank you so very much.  Every word of this post makes sense CreativeDominant.  You have given me a lot to think about tonight.  Thank you everyone for the constructive advice offered.  I knew I came to the right place.

tearful

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