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RE: Extreme Sadism (within the realm of SSC)!!!! - 3/8/2005 2:02:44 AM

ProScatman

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Just an afterthought, after reading all these posts so far, but I don't believe I'd want to piss any of these ladies off if they had access to my body, including you Lady T.!

And I wouldn't want to even if they couldn't latch on to me. Now there's a thought! Just imagine being contacted, meeting, discussing and agreeing to a scene. Then, finding out it is someone you may have offended here, and there you are on a rack restrained knowing you consented to all that was about to take place?[Emphesis added] Having agreed to edge play; with the use of a safe word only in medical emergency?

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RE: Extreme Sadism (within the realm of SSC)!!!! - 3/8/2005 6:37:36 AM

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ORIGINAL: ProScatman

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ORIGINAL: mantis65

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Got'cha and thank you for the heads' up!! Ummmmm, good thing I put "SSC" in the title!! *grins*

yes glad you did but im a moth to the flame with any thing having to do with 'Extreme Sadism"

mantis

Actually, that was Lady T.. Mantis, Since you seem to be well informed, can you tell me why any Master would wish to perminantly disfigure a slave? I've heard of sewing up the Labia or Hood, but that can be undone I would think. I also read a story about a slave who had piercings, and gold rings placed there to be locked with little padlocks. Everything was made of gold, and only her Master had the key. The place was in Switzeland.

"Disfigure" permanently - no, not Me. But brandings, piercings, cuttings, etc. - various form of scarification, either permanent or temporary, are often considered art forms upon the human body, and a Master or Mistress might employ such artistic avenues to paint a picture of ownership upon the body of their property. Do I consider the permanent scars that I have left on others, all with full consent, to be "disfiguring" - hell, no - they are beautiful body art that makes the wearer and the creator very proud!!!

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RE: Extreme Sadism (within the realm of SSC)!!!! - 3/8/2005 6:50:43 AM

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ORIGINAL: ProScatman

Just an afterthought, after reading all these posts so far, but I don't believe I'd want to piss any of these ladies off if they had access to my body, including you Lady T.! And I wouldn't want to even if they couldn't latch on to me. Now there's a thought! Just imagine being contacted, meeting, discussing and agreeing to a scene. Then, finding out it is someone you may have offended here, and there you are on a rack restrained knowing you consented to all that was about to take place?[Emphesis added] Having agreed to edge play; with the use of a safe word only in medical emergency?

Very good point, indeed!!! And, one of discussion on another board upon which I co-moderate. "Do you hide your online identity from real-time encounters" but that was more in context to a ProDomme session being requested by subs who frequent Dominatrixes. Anyhoo, possibly a thought for another thread!

But, as to the meat of your comment....... I would certainly hope that any Domme/Dom that a subs meet to engage in play with, does at least have the integrity to not session or play in anger. Granted, it rarely happens but more so in a 24/7 r/t relationship that's combined with a vanilla relationship as well where things have more of a tendency to overlap......, so yep, don't piss Me off!

*gales of girlish giggles*

Again, I would never raise an arm in anger (well, unless I was in a bar fight and I can throw a mean right hook *more evil laughter*)!! Seriously a good Dom/Domme/Top has a strong degree of self-control!! And, if things had progressed to the point of you being strung up and at My mercy, most surely the facts of who you were and the possible "offensive nature" would have been revealed in communication. If you'd pissed Me off enough, I wouldn't give you a second look much less take the time, energy and effort to hang you on a rack and create an intense and exciting scene!! And, this thought of yours is truly another reason to be honest in who you are out in cyberspace because your words can have ramifications in the real world.

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RE: Extreme Sadism (within the realm of SSC)!!!! - 3/8/2005 9:11:43 AM

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Personally, I'm a hardcore masochist, so I sometimes bite off a bit more than I could chew. My particular fetish is whipping, and I've been whipped so long and hard before (at my request) that it drew blood and left my entire back from my knees to my shoulders marked. On the flip side though, I do have a remarkably fast recovery/healing system, and still don't have any permenant marks of any kind. The most I've ever received is somewhere around 650 lashes (with a cat of nine tails fashioned out of flexible cable - not some deerskin flogger.) and that left me sore for a long time. I guess that's about as extreme as I've gotten. Seeing as how I heal so quickly and completely, I'm not sure if that's borderline behaviour, or just a healthy appreciation for pain. lol.

When I was a bit younger, I used to have fantasies that were quite a bit more brutal than anything I'd ever really act out. I'm old enough and mature enough at this point to at least realize they belong in the realm of fantasy. I guess my opinion on "too much" is that so long as no one's being permanantly harmed (physically or mentally) and they're both enjoying it... go for it!

The only thing to watch out for is masochists vs. self-destructive people. There's a clearly drawn line between loving the sensation of pain/vulnerability, and actually wanting to destroy one's self. I've known a handful of both types over the years, and it's important to make a distinction. One's kinky and open-minded, the other's a psychological mess.

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RE: Extreme Sadism (within the realm of SSC)!!!! - 3/8/2005 10:55:12 AM

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ORIGINAL: GentleLady

Extreme Sadism

That comes back to word definitions doesn't it? What one person views as extreme may not be what another person calls extreme. So I will offer a couple of examples that I think might fall under the definition.

The first is one that I think of as being extreme because I have a phobia about needles but the submissive involved would not have classed it as extreme. I could not touch needles so I used safety pins and even then I had to have the submissive attach them. he placed the pins to form a ladder running the length of the penis and wore them overnight. Each time I ran My hand along the pins he quivered.

The second is one that neither Myself or the submissive considered extreme but I have been told that it was. he received 15-20 minutes of spanking to warm the flesh on his ass followed by roughly the same amount of time using a crop. My crop has a small head so I can move around the ass cheeks giving different areas time to recover while making sure that every inch of skin gets warmed slowly. Both the spanking and the crop started light and increased in weight steadily. This was followed by 300 strokes with a flogger (soft leather 13 strands 15 inches long) given in sets of 25 with breaks between each set. Again I started at the weight the crop had ended with and steadily increased it. The last step was a cane and 8 blows. By this point the submissive was in subspace and glowing.

The last example is one that both the submissive and Myself considered extreme because it forced him past a point of no return. he had an ego thing about how long he could delay ejaculations and I frequently showed him that I could force him to cum whether he wanted to or not. This usually reduced him to tears and increased submission. One of the times I had him fill his bladder over several hours until he was at the point of begging. Then I instructed him to stroke his penis until he cam but he was not to pee. he discovered that a full bladder made it almost impossible to control the ejaculation. I should mention that he was also into humiliation. Needless to say, when he cam he also covered himself in urine and then cam immediately a second time.

Gentle Lady

Ummmm, all sound extremely sadistic to Me!! *grins* I too hate needles, but the guage of safety pins is even greater - yikes!! I would love to have watched him put them on his cock! Fantastic!! As for the second scenario - yep, a hard core beating it sounds to Me!! Wheeeew, I bet You were tired!! Do these heavy corporal scenes wear You out??? I know they do Me!! *smiles* And, I love the full bladder slant - great idea!!!!!

Thank You very much, Gentle Lady, for Your comments. I always love to compare notes as it's amazing to Me that there is so much diversity in BDSM and so many different ways to do things!!

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RE: Extreme Sadism (within the realm of SSC)!!!! - 3/8/2005 11:07:31 AM

LadyTantalize

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ORIGINAL: WolfOnALeash

Personally, I'm a hardcore masochist, so I sometimes bite off a bit more than I could chew. My particular fetish is whipping, and I've been whipped so long and hard before (at my request) that it drew blood and left my entire back from my knees to my shoulders marked. On the flip side though, I do have a remarkably fast recovery/healing system, and still don't have any permenant marks of any kind. The most I've ever received is somewhere around 650 lashes (with a cat of nine tails fashioned out of flexible cable - not some deerskin flogger.) and that left me sore for a long time. I guess that's about as extreme as I've gotten. Seeing as how I heal so quickly and completely, I'm not sure if that's borderline behaviour, or just a healthy appreciation for pain. lol.

When I was a bit younger, I used to have fantasies that were quite a bit more brutal than anything I'd ever really act out. I'm old enough and mature enough at this point to at least realize they belong in the realm of fantasy. I guess my opinion on "too much" is that so long as no one's being permanantly harmed (physically or mentally) and they're both enjoying it... go for it!

The only thing to watch out for is masochists vs. self-destructive people. There's a clearly drawn line between loving the sensation of pain/vulnerability, and actually wanting to destroy one's self. I've known a handful of both types over the years, and it's important to make a distinction. One's kinky and open-minded, the other's a psychological mess.

Ummmmmm, growl and puurrrr! Excuse Me while I wipe away a bit of drool forming at My mouth! *wicked grins* Whipping you say.....drew blood....entire back, shoulders to knees......... ahhhhhhhhhhh heaven!!

Actually, I prefer that scenario but with a single-tail whip and over the entire body from neck down, and a lash or two that forms a "T" on the back.......forever marked!!! *evil smiles*

What are all these folks doing counting strokes???? I'd loose count!! *chuckles Yep, 650 strokes does sound extreme to Me!!!

It truly is very important for those who play on the "edge" or have a like for extreme scenes to realize and properly compartmentalize the fantasies from reality. Sometimes those new to BDSM might be so caught up in their fantasies that some "scene reality" can be disappointing for them if all factors of the fantasy do not come into play. And, as we know, fantasies can be realized if done so in a safe and realistic manner.

Great comments and thank you!!

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RE: Extreme Sadism (within the realm of SSC)!!!! - 3/8/2005 11:29:48 AM

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Actually, that was Lady T.. Mantis, Since you seem to be well informed, can you tell me why any Master would wish to perminantly disfigure a slave?

This depends on what’s mutilation of the body to the people involved.
I have a two permanent fermium piercing’s I got done years ago. There many of reasons some may want their sub/slave marked or pierced.
Actual destroying parts of the body…that’s an idea I don’t care for modifying sure. not destruction of parts.

To answer your question what I have read about this idea of radical alteration of the female anatomy is to deny the slave all sexual pleasure permanently that’s why it’s done.
Luckily most of this is a fantasy thing …..but there are very real exceptions

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RE: Extreme Sadism (within the realm of SSC)!!!! - 3/8/2005 11:39:01 AM

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hello LadyTantalize i sent you a few links didnt mean to squick you out. i know a lot of wierd stuff about "touchy" subjects
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RE: Extreme Sadism (within the realm of SSC)!!!! - 3/8/2005 2:20:29 PM

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ORIGINAL: mantis65

hello LadyTantalize i sent you a few links didnt mean to squick you out. i know a lot of wierd stuff about "touchy" subjects
mantis

Squick away, My dear!! Thank you very much as you know how I delight in the extreme! Oh My and those were extreme!! Damn, those lesbians can get HARDCORE, can't they!! *evil chuckles*

Thanks again.

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RE: Extreme Sadism (within the realm of SSC)!!!! - 3/8/2005 8:37:18 PM

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Thank You LadyTantalize. I was totally enthralled watching the expressions change on his face while he put the safety pins in...I could 'see' what his hands were doing just from that and it was very stimulating. When We did that particular flogging play it had to end early because of time constraints. Fortunately I was able to take him into subspace which was the intent. I was not drained at the end but a few hours later when I started to drop I sure was. And the next day My arms ached.

On the whole I do not find that heavy corporal sessions wear Me out in that I get so wired during them that I do not notice until later. I also tend to alternate the sets with sensual touching which both gives Me a break and keeps the submissive on edge. Plus I am ambidextrous enough that I can switch hands and keep going.

I have loved reading the various threads and incorporating some of the great ideas into My own play. One mind is only going to come up with so much and there are so many different ways of doing things. Constant learning helps keep Me from getting stale.

*quick laughter as I read further* I count strokes because I like having a benchmark to aim for. Also if I know the submissive can usually take a certain amount and he shows signs of distress too early then I know something is bothering him that he is having trouble talking about. This particular submissive keeps count as a way of making sure he is pushing his own limits. It is tied up with his ego thing and self image. How much pain he craves is a reflection of his emotional state of mind and can vary greatly.

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RE: Extreme Sadism (within the realm of SSC)!!!! - 3/9/2005 8:25:26 AM

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Let me say for starters that I know very little about SSC and/or RACK. I don't pay much attention to it or any other set of rules. I use common sense when I play. That's all I need.

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What do you think about acts of "extreme sadism"?

As GentleLady said, what is extreme sadism to one might be child’s play to another. I don’t actually consider myself to be an extreme sadist because I’m not into it for extremes. I have nothing to prove to anyone but myself. I may have had moments that I have considered extreme and what qualifies as extreme for me now might be nothing later on, once I get past another boundary.

First off, I have to say I’ve never had the opportunity to play with a *heavy* masochist. I think for many (certainly not all), between the fantasy of masochism and the reality of what they can endure is a huge gap. I’m not saying that gap cannot be bridged with someone trustworthy. In fact, I know it can. I have masochistic tendencies and I have gone way beyond what I originally could endure with someone that I trust.

Second of all, I have this policy of not doing to anyone what I have not had done to me before. That may change in time if I ever meet someone more masochist then myself ;) But to date, that has not happened. Though I have met people who have had a higher tolerance for certain activities, such as breast/nipple torture – I have the world’s most sensitive nipples but the rest of my body can take quite the beating.

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ORIGINAL: LadyTantalize
Sooooooo, I know I've got a few tales of "extreme sadism" to tell......
Let's hear some of Y/yours!!!

So now to answer LadyT’s original question, what have I done that I consider “extreme”… no wait, I’m going to say “hard core”, not extreme.

- Figging is always fun. I like mixing it up with a hogtie so that not only is the sensation intense but they can’t squirm out of it.
- Along the same lines, after a long session, allowing a submissive to masturbate him/herself but with toothpaste as a lubricant. Funny how that makes it a little harder to cum…
- Caning is what I like to do best. Usually when I take out my cane, I see the look of fear on their face. Just that is a turn on. I have caned very few as most subs I’ve played with have made it a hard limit early on.
- Clothespins seem like such harmless little things, but I have so much fun with them. I like putting them on, a few at a time, a few dozen at time, taking them off with my teeth (a Dom friend of mine saying that was one of the hottest things he’s ever seen), taking them off with the snap of a crop whip, having them beg me to take them off then putting them back on at exactly the same place 2 minutes later… ha!
- CBT I enjoy very much, binding, slapping, scratching, teeth grazing, sand paper, weights, clothespins of course…
- Mental torture is grand as well. I like to play with POW/Interrogation type scenes. Face slapping, spitting, verbal humiliation all falls into this.
- I find predicament bondage to be deliciously sadistic as well. Watching them teeter between one particularly uncomfortable, perhaps even painful position to another. Or to put them in a situation of conflicts of desire.

As Sirensong said, I love when they glare at me, not always, but sometimes. Some of them actually have cute little pouts. I’ve topped a Dom friend a few times and now and then he’ll say “you bitch”, which of course gets him in a whole hell of a lot more hot water but sometimes I think he does it on purpose.

I also like Sirensong’s “mental verbal restraint” which I use a lot as well. I’ve also used simulated restraints such as paper handcuffs or raw egg gags where the sub has the added pressure of restraining him/herself.

In the end, no matter what I choose to do, I always tailor my scenes in function of my desires at that particular moment as well as with my submissive’s fears/desires as well.

- LA

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RE: Extreme Sadism (within the realm of SSC)!!!! - 3/9/2005 8:44:32 AM

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I haven't answered the question on branding yet which I have been meaning to do. So far the Owner prefers using electro-stim to brand, with a violet wand.

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RE: Extreme Sadism (within the realm of SSC)!!!! - 3/9/2005 9:22:32 AM

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So far the Owner prefers using electro-stim to brand, with a violet wand.

Are you talking about temporary branding? If you are talking about permanent branding I would be interested in more info on His technique. I have known several people who have tried for a permanent brand using a violet wand, but no matter how many times they retraced the area the results wound up being temporary. At best it only produced a very light scar.

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RE: Extreme Sadism (within the realm of SSC)!!!! - 3/9/2005 2:24:20 PM

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To me the phrase Extreme sadism to me just sounds cool. In reality I think Extreme is subjective as LadyAngelika has pointed out. Some people based on their personal tastes and fears may find some forms of sadism Extreme not Extreme at all.

That said I do want to bring something up about sadists in general that is people being afraid of them. (And us Masochists get attacked for loving these types of people)
I think in recent years the online cyber one handed fantasy people have tried to make all sadists of any sort looks scary and dangerous.
Sure some people may not to be into sadism and that fine, I mean the fear breeding and horror stories I encounter about Evil sadists.

There’s nothing wrong with a sane controlled sadist the truly deranged sexual psychopath exist
But not all sadists are killers or blood thirsty maniacs. They shouldn’t be painted all with the same brush.

Anyway is this something other people have noticed?

mantis

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RE: Extreme Sadism (within the realm of SSC)!!!! - 3/10/2005 6:48:58 AM

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I am in the process of ordering a cautery pen to brand over the Demon Wings that were cut into one of My boys backs.
Since they only burn for about 10-15 minutes I have had to order a few extra nibs.

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RE: Extreme Sadism (within the realm of SSC)!!!! - 3/10/2005 8:02:48 AM

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quote:

There’s nothing wrong with a sane controlled sadist the truly deranged sexual psychopath exist
But not all sadists are killers or blood thirsty maniacs. They shouldn’t be painted all with the same brush.

Anyway is this something other people have noticed?

My Sir definitely falls into the sadist category. The more pain He can infict, the happier He is. To some, I am absolutely certain He is much more extreme than they would ever wish to go. However, He completely realizes the responsibility of His sadistic ways and understands that while some fantasies can be really stimulating....they are not meant to become realities. He certainly takes me to the edge of what I can take....but the fact that He is in control of Himself stops Him from crossing the line between what makes a cool fantasy and what should never become a reality.

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RE: Extreme Sadism (within the realm of SSC)!!!! - 3/10/2005 11:19:10 AM

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quote:

I am in the process of ordering a cautery pen to brand over the Demon Wings that were cut into one of My boys backs.
Since they only burn for about 10-15 minutes I have had to order a few extra nibs.

cool! painful and art! great!
I have piercings but no tattoos or marks maybe someday.
mantis

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RE: Extreme Sadism (within the realm of SSC)!!!! - 3/10/2005 11:34:04 AM

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ORIGINAL: Sirensong

I am in the process of ordering a cautery pen to brand over the Demon Wings that were cut into one of My boys backs.
Since they only burn for about 10-15 minutes I have had to order a few extra nibs.

Very cool, do keep us posted as to how the cautery pen works for you!! I've thought of purchasing one also.

Then again, call Me cheap or just plain evil, but a bent coathanger with a duct-taped handled roasting over an open flame has worked for Me in the past!!

*wicked smiles*

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