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MasterFireMaam -> RE: D/s vs S/m vs s/M (2/6/2007 9:39:08 AM)

Off Topic: emailed you something "easy" on the other side, LA.

Master Fire



MasterFireMaam -> RE: D/s vs S/m vs s/M (2/6/2007 9:50:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: EvilGeoff

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

Here is the deal, many here and elsewhere do not like the term slave, or master, or lord of the universe. 


Exqueeze me.... that's Supreme Maximum Dicator For Life Of the Entire Known Universe and Then Some, to you, missy!
:-)


Hey! Who the hell said you could use MY title? I mean, EVERYone knows this is the Universe According to Fire. Get with the program.

Supreme Maximum Dicator For Life Of the Entire Known Universe and Then Some, Master Fire - but you can call me SMDFLOTEKUTS Master Fire



twicehappy -> RE: D/s vs S/m vs s/M (2/6/2007 10:14:41 AM)

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ORIGINAL: shybutsweet

 . This may seem sorta silly, but one thing that I don't completely understand are the differences between D/s, S/m and s/M relationships. If you could shed a little light on this for me, it would be greatly appreciated.


Whoops i forgot one definition;
 
Whatever; This is the definition for those who do not care to label things. Under this special category you can label yourself a one eared one eyed flying purple toilet slave but actually be a dominant, or a dominate, or a subbie, or a Chevy truck.
 
Lmao, i think LA (thank you Easy button!) gave you the links to the appropriate battlefield if you would like to survey the carnage resulting from the particular engagement regarding the "call it what it means to you" versus the "words do have a meaning" hostilities.
 
It was spectacularly ugly.

RavenMuse, please pass a Cuban, a match and the ammo........
 
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obey1 -> RE: D/s vs S/m vs s/M (2/6/2007 11:07:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: twicehappy

Master/Mistress, is one who is dom/domme and currently owns a submissive or a slave. It is a title bestowed on them by virtue of such ownership. 
 


This is the only term that here on the forum is not 'technically' accurate due to the two sections of "Ask a Master/Mistress".  In those threads, it actually results in "Ask a Dom/me" which is also included in your def.[sm=boohoo.gif]



LordVelvet -> RE: D/s vs S/m vs s/M (2/6/2007 11:15:44 AM)

That made ME almost spit soda on the computer. You are My new Super Hero [;)]
LV



juliaoceania -> RE: D/s vs S/m vs s/M (2/6/2007 11:18:02 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LordVelvet

That made ME almost spit soda on the computer. You are My new Super Hero [;)]
LV


*Stomps feet unsubmissively* and asks "why don't subs get cool names?"



LordVelvet -> RE: D/s vs S/m vs s/M (2/6/2007 11:20:35 AM)

julia will now be known as " pixie mixie" since she is cute as a pixie and always mixes it up on the boards.



juliaoceania -> RE: D/s vs S/m vs s/M (2/6/2007 11:22:12 AM)

I like that... Cool!




LordVelvet -> RE: D/s vs S/m vs s/M (2/6/2007 11:33:25 AM)

you are welcome [:)]



Tamerofwild1s -> RE: D/s vs S/m vs s/M (2/6/2007 11:39:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: twicehappy

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ORIGINAL: RavenMuse

Well if its gonna be a war sweetie.

*Lights up a cuban. Checks ammo and knocks off the safety and wanders over to stand 'just slightily' in front of 2X*

Bring em on. 'Cause whilst I could add to that in places, I don't disagree with a damn word [:D]


Good morning sexy eyes, and thank you.
 
Edited to add, look everybody i have the two cuddliest teddy bears on cm right on top of and right underneath me. Snuggly........


Small note here, i finally got my cm mail acting right again yesterday. Every damn time i tried to reply to most of my mail for the past week i got that damn "page unavailable notice". So my apologies to your handsome self and any others i have not answered in a week.


ok how did we get back to the Teddy bear thingy ...... there is no teddy bear in BDSM lmao ....... well except for that old git from scotch land
 
I have to say *as I pick up my sword* I do like the way ya word things there 2x ... very well put



CreativeDominant -> RE: D/s vs S/m vs s/M (2/6/2007 11:41:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MasterFireMaam

quote:

ORIGINAL: EvilGeoff

quote:

ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

Here is the deal, many here and elsewhere do not like the term slave, or master, or lord of the universe. 


Exqueeze me.... that's Supreme Maximum Dicator For Life Of the Entire Known Universe and Then Some, to you, missy!
:-)


Hey! Who the hell said you could use MY title? I mean, EVERYone knows this is the Universe According to Fire. Get with the program.

Supreme Maximum Dicator For Life Of the Entire Known Universe and Then Some, Master Fire - but you can call me SMDFLOTEKUTS Master Fire



You two are soooooooooooooo wrong...after all, how could either of you be Supreme or Maximum if I am
~ta-da~ Master Of All He Surveys aka M.O.A.H.S., pronounced as Mo-Ass, for those in the know.



Tamerofwild1s -> RE: D/s vs S/m vs s/M (2/6/2007 11:45:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: EvilGeoff

quote:

ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

Here is the deal, many here and elsewhere do not like the term slave, or master, or lord of the universe. 


Exqueeze me.... that's Supreme Maximum Dicator For Life Of the Entire Known Universe and Then Some, to you, missy!
:-)


and I quite perfer LordGrandPoobahomnipetentruler of all the breaths . or Magistrate of Sadistic affairs .... but I think the last one was taken already
 



sexyone4you -> RE: D/s vs S/m vs s/M (2/6/2007 12:34:31 PM)

I am by no means an expert.  I found www.castlerealm.com really helpful to me at first.



rosanegra -> RE: D/s vs S/m vs s/M (2/6/2007 12:40:56 PM)

If I might be so rude as to interject my own ideas on this... I realize I haven't posted much, and that my age might cause some of you to scoff at me because after all, what right does someone who hasn't been here for very long have to start defining things but...

I only found a couple of very small issues with previously mentioned definitions of various characters in the BDSM world.

I think a Dom/me is someone who may be in control all the time, or may be in control just part of the time, but at least spends some time out of the bedroom in control.

I think a submissive is someone who at least spends part of their time out of the bedroom under the control of a Dom/me.

A Dom/me or submissive could be single, or could be in a relationship, what makes them what they are is about what they want out of a relationship.

I see a Master/Mistress as someone who has earned the right to be called such, not by virtue of having a submissive or slave, but by virtue of commanding a certain Mastery over various elements of BDSM. It is, and should remain so IMHO, a name given to those deserving the respect of all in our community based on their skill, reputation, and abilities. You can be a Master/Mistress without having a sub/slave... it just commands a certain level of understanding of our lifestyle.

If someone has a sub/slave they may or may not call them Master/Mistress. It depends upon the dynamic of the relationship.

I think the defining characteristic of a true, "slave," is that their limits are defined by their owner. I believe it is a level you reach in a relationship after you have been with someone long enough to trust them implicitly, no holds barred.

This is in opposition to a doormat, who just has no mind of their own/doesn't care what happens. They have no limits with anyone.

These are just my thoughts. I don't pretend to know everything by any means, but these are the definitions I have come to believe in over a few years of research, play, exploration, and relationships. I hope they are helpful.



Wulfchyld -> RE: D/s vs S/m vs s/M (2/6/2007 12:44:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: rosanegra

If I might be so rude as to interject my own ideas on this... I realize I haven't posted much, and that my age might cause some of you to scoff at me because after all, what right does someone who hasn't been here for very long have to start defining things but...


rosanegra,

I am glad to see you posting. You have put thought behind it and I would like to see you post more.



twicehappy -> RE: D/s vs S/m vs s/M (2/6/2007 1:44:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: obey1

quote:

ORIGINAL: twicehappy

Master/Mistress, is one who is dom/domme and currently owns a submissive or a slave. It is a title bestowed on them by virtue of such ownership. 
 


This is the only term that here on the forum is not 'technically' accurate due to the two sections of "Ask a Master/Mistress".  In those threads, it actually results in "Ask a Dom/me" which is also included in your def.


Follow LA 'S link' to the poll, 87% of cm users agreed within slight variations to the definitions. You will however note my HUGE disclaimer at the bottom of my post.
 
Riddle me this; If you a Mistress or Master without a sub or slave, what or who are you the Mistress or Master of?



twicehappy -> RE: D/s vs S/m vs s/M (2/6/2007 1:46:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Tamerofwild1s

ok how did we get back to the Teddy bear thingy ...... there is no teddy bear in BDSM lmao ....... well except for that old git from scotch land
 
I have to say *as I pick up my sword* I do like the way ya word things there 2x ... very well put


Grab a cigar, you cuddly dominant type, and i thank you kindly. Big grins.



Wulfchyld -> RE: D/s vs S/m vs s/M (2/6/2007 1:47:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: twicehappy
 
Riddle me this; If you a Mistress or Master without a sub or slave, what or who are you the Mistress or Master of?


My dog knows who the boss is! However I cant speak for Jali on this one.



MasterFireMaam -> RE: D/s vs S/m vs s/M (2/6/2007 1:55:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: twicehappy

Riddle me this; If you a Mistress or Master without a sub or slave, what or who are you the Mistress or Master of?


The Universe, of which, I am the center. Haven't you been following the Uber-iffic thread? Silly person.

COTU aka Master Fire



twicehappy -> RE: D/s vs S/m vs s/M (2/6/2007 2:23:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: rosanegra

I see a Master/Mistress as someone who has earned the right to be called such, not by virtue of having a submissive or slave, but by virtue of commanding a certain Mastery over various elements of BDSM. It is, and should remain so IMHO, a name given to those deserving the respect of all in our community based on their skill, reputation, and abilities. You can be a Master/Mistress without having a sub/slave... it just commands a certain level of understanding of our lifestyle.


If you read them again you will see that the definitions for Dom/domme and submissive do contain to some degree what you stated. We were working on a basic brief set of definitions.
 
The issue with how you define Master is who decides? So you are a whip master, then if your society or group if you will wants they can call you Master of whips.
 
We were giving a general definition.
 
Anybody can master the use of nipple clamps, do we now name them Nipple Clamp Masters? Who decides? To borrow Mnottertails sig line
 
"'There is no center for the promulgation and maintenance of kinky values, no pope of rope, or magistrate extraordinary of sadistic affairs.' Jack Rinella "
 
quote:

I think the defining characteristic of a true, "slave," is that their limits are defined by their owner. I believe it is a level you reach in a relationship after you have been with someone long enough to trust them implicitly, no holds barred.


In the beginning of a slavery prior to any collaring most slaves do state their limits. Not all slaves become slaves over the course of a long courtship (two weeks from hello to collar for me and i am still in it, in my prior collar it was one day from hello to a collar, we were together eighteen years).
 
 Even those that do wait are still operating under the agreed upon limits or have been in the relationship long enough to, as you put it, trust that their owners limits are the same as theirs. 
 
This statement "I think the defining characteristic of a true, "slave," is that their limits are defined by their owner" is a dangerous one, the only worse one i can think of is a "no limits slave" .
 
This is not to say that limits cannot be or are not often expanded, but everybody has hard limits. By your definition then nobody is a slave.
 
You are a slave, imagine one day after a year or so, your owner decides your limits now include being an amputee. He has just developed a fantasy about a one armed slave girl.
 
As a "true" slave, are your limits still being defined by your owner?
 
Do you let him remove your arm?
 
Or do you leave or refuse? Either way by your definition you are not a slave because you just defined your own limits.
 
A doormat really has no place in the BDSM dictionary. I buy mine at Wal Mart.
 
All in all though a well written, well thought out post.
 
Welcome to the boards. Have you sent your tribute of goats, gold, mead or a nubile virgin to the Forum God of Mischief yet?



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