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kindaeasy69 -> RE: mad as HELL, illegals- fuming mad here! (2/9/2007 5:45:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx It is all about the money. We outlawed slavery in this country and to get around that pesky lil bill of rights we bring in slaves from other countries. Make the minimum wage 15 bux an hour and there will be no jobs for illegal aliens in this country all of them will be filled by americans. The NAFTA and its appendages are all about using slave labor from other countries as is outsoucing jobs. I called to track a package I was suppose to be getting yesterday and the person I was talking to was in India. If we treated Mexico like a neighbor instead of our bitch things might be different but that is not going to happen in my lifetime. thompson And how would raising minimum wage to $15 an hour affect the cost of goods and services?

thompsonx -> RE: mad as HELL, illegals- fuming mad here! (2/9/2007 5:54:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WyrdRich Inmates at high risk need to be isolated, lest their sentence be more severe than what was handed down. It's one of those pesky Constututional things, something about cruel and unusual punishments. WyrdRich: Gonna need a site on that one. How does one define high risk. If they were truley high risk they would have gone to club fed at Lompoc where some of the watergate gang went. Again ...If you can't do the time then don't do the crime. thompson

thompsonx -> RE: mad as HELL, illegals- fuming mad here! (2/9/2007 6:04:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kindaeasy69 quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx It is all about the money. We outlawed slavery in this country and to get around that pesky lil bill of rights we bring in slaves from other countries. Make the minimum wage 15 bux an hour and there will be no jobs for illegal aliens in this country all of them will be filled by americans. The NAFTA and its appendages are all about using slave labor from other countries as is outsoucing jobs. I called to track a package I was suppose to be getting yesterday and the person I was talking to was in India. If we treated Mexico like a neighbor instead of our bitch things might be different but that is not going to happen in my lifetime. thompson And how would raising minimum wage to $15 an hour affect the cost of goods and services? Kindandeasy69: That was pretty much the arguement that the south put forward to maintain slavery. Don't you think that the price of goods and services should reflect the cost of manufacture? Or are you in favor of bringing slavery back. I would guess that you feel that there is no upper limit for what a person is allowed to make but you seem to feel that there is no lower limit beyond which common decency demands you not force a person to work or starve. If no one wants to buy lettuce at $5.00 a head then don't grow it. thompson

WyrdRich -> RE: mad as HELL, illegals- fuming mad here! (2/9/2007 6:07:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: WyrdRich Inmates at high risk need to be isolated, lest their sentence be more severe than what was handed down. It's one of those pesky Constututional things, something about cruel and unusual punishments. WyrdRich: Gonna need a site on that one. How does one define high risk. If they were truley high risk they would have gone to club fed at Lompoc where some of the watergate gang went. Again ...If you can't do the time then don't do the crime. thompson Now that's funny, Thom. The last citation I saw you offer for one of your 'pearls' was to ask a military recruiter. Ask any used car salesman or mortgage broker about it. You can run along to www.supremecourt.gov and do a search all night if you like, or you can simply apply a bit of logic. Inmates who are at high risk from other inmates need to be isolated.

thompsonx -> RE: mad as HELL, illegals- fuming mad here! (2/9/2007 6:11:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle Whenever I hear of a case like this, I ask myself, "Why did these guys co-workers hate them so much they didn't cover all this shit up?" farglebargle: I thought you were in favor of the rule of law? Yes. quote: Do you approve of cops covering up other cops commiting crimes? No. quote: So much for your credibility. That statment makes no sense considering my stated position, given that my position is consistent. Perhaps you should have awaited my response before issuing your pronouncement? REALITY IS: In cases like this, if your buddies AREN'T covering for you, they ain't your buddies. And you gotta wonder WHY these 2 didn't have any buddies at work. How that affects my credibility is a mystery to me. farglebargle: My position is buddy or no a cop swears to uphold the law. He does not swear to uphold the law except when he sees his buddy commit a felony then he will lie for him. If you believe that that is the job of cops to protect their buddies then you will have lost your credibility as a believer in the rule of law. You have always struck me in your post as being in favor of the rule of law that is why I was so taken aback by your statement. I realize that cops lie consistantly and I feel that if caught they should be punished as an accessory to the crime that they are helping to cover up. You seemed to be saying a buddy should cover for you. It is with that statement that I take exception. A person can be your buddy and still tell the truth... you do not have to hate someone to not lie for them. thompson

kindaeasy69 -> RE: mad as HELL, illegals- fuming mad here! (2/9/2007 6:20:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: kindaeasy69 quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx It is all about the money. We outlawed slavery in this country and to get around that pesky lil bill of rights we bring in slaves from other countries. Make the minimum wage 15 bux an hour and there will be no jobs for illegal aliens in this country all of them will be filled by americans. The NAFTA and its appendages are all about using slave labor from other countries as is outsoucing jobs. I called to track a package I was suppose to be getting yesterday and the person I was talking to was in India. If we treated Mexico like a neighbor instead of our bitch things might be different but that is not going to happen in my lifetime. thompson And how would raising minimum wage to $15 an hour affect the cost of goods and services? Kindandeasy69: That was pretty much the arguement that the south put forward to maintain slavery. Don't you think that the price of goods and services should reflect the cost of manufacture? Or are you in favor of bringing slavery back. I would guess that you feel that there is no upper limit for what a person is allowed to make but you seem to feel that there is no lower limit beyond which common decency demands you not force a person to work or starve. If no one wants to buy lettuce at $5.00 a head then don't grow it. thompson Am I in favor of slavery? No No, I do not feel there should be an upper limit on how much a person should be allowed to make just as I don’t feel there should be a lower limit. Hell I don’t even think a person should be forced to work, however if they aren’t willing to work they may just starve. So should I take your answer to mean you do realize the cost of many (not just lettuce) good and services would increase dramatically? And if so, should someone who now makes say $10 an hour, go up to $15 (the new minimum wage) or up to $20 an hour (the same $10/hour increase as the people who now make minimum wage)?

UtopianRanger -> RE: mad as HELL, illegals- fuming mad here! (2/9/2007 6:27:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: puella I totally agree with you thompsonx for the immediate problem. To solve the problem and not the results of the problem..you have to go to Mexico (funny how people are really only angry about mexicans...let's call a spade a spade, folks...). We need an administration that is willing to talk undergo political discourse with the Mexican government to help them solve the very relay problems that country has. Until those problems abate, people will be running to the place not so far away that offers what their withering homeland does not... hope. It hasn't been in mainstream news lately.....but a lot is happening in Mexico right now. Their citizenry is well aware that the ruling class just crushes them and keeps them in poverty. They know it's time to fight back....and if that means an armed insurgency to uproot this greedy oligarchy, well then more power to them. It's about time the Mexican people decided to grow a pair of balls. If a full-fledged revolution opens up and the rebels need funds, all I'll need is PO box number for my donation. - R

popeye1250 -> RE: mad as HELL, illegals- fuming mad here! (2/9/2007 6:33:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: puella You honestly think a fence is going to secure the border? I think Stephen Colbert's idea of motes of flaming magma and iron clad crocodiles has both a better chance and is less fanciful. puella: The quite simple solution is to arrest the people who employ them and confiscate their property that was paid for by the labor of these migrant slaves. When people like Wal Mart and tyson food and Swift and Hormel and the rest of these slavers start going to prison and loosing their multi million dollar factories and homes and boats and such then there will be no more illegal immigration and these people will be forced to pay a living wage to american citizens. thompson Thompson, you're right on this point. Big Corporations and businesses have their dicks deep into the ass of this administration. Everything Bush has done is for them and the American People be damned! This is GREED on a Biblical scale. Bush should be impeached for dereliction of duty because of the border/ illegal alien situation alone! How on earth can any country put up with having 12-20 million illegal aliens within it's borders and it's government does nothing but talk? It's gotten so bad that I don't care if we have jack booted police kicking in doors at 0300 just get these people the (fuck) out! Our schools, hospitals, courts, jails and other systems are collapsing under their weight. We Citizens pay for those things and illegals come here and steal from us and in the process drive down wages for our own Citizens. The American People never wanted "Nafta" yet Clinton pushed it through anyway! It needed 67 votes in the U.S. Senate to pass (2/3) but only got 61 votes! What's that tell you? That border needs to be closed down tighter than a drum. Declare Martial Law and put Troops on it with shoot to kill orders just like we have on S. Korea's border.

mnottertail -> RE: mad as HELL, illegals- fuming mad here! (2/9/2007 6:33:53 PM)
several random and interconnected thoughts insurgents are (while legal and demanded in the constitution of america) illegal, and according to assholes should be jailed and killed--in fact they are usually associated with terrorists. Cops are cops, nothing unusual, but as time progresses believe that because they risk their shiny badge or whatever they are beyond and above the law. nope, piss on it, enough

farglebargle -> RE: mad as HELL, illegals- fuming mad here! (2/9/2007 6:35:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx farglebargle: My position is buddy or no a cop swears to uphold the law. He does not swear to uphold the law except when he sees his buddy commit a felony then he will lie for him. I won't dispute that. However that IDEAL CONDITION doesn't really EXIST in the "REAL WORLD", does it?

puella -> RE: mad as HELL, illegals- fuming mad here! (2/9/2007 6:40:02 PM)
Unfortunately, in this day and age... it takes more than the will of the impoverished people. It will also take the will of a couple (or at least the biggest one who has a metaphorical foot on the metaphorical throat of that nation, and is looming right next door) to enforce some sort of 'global will' upon that nation. That will take diplomacy, politicing and bargaining on many levels, including trade negotiations, probably some threat brandishing and intelligent compromise on both sides... I greatly fear this can not be accomplished with the current President of the United States in power... for a number of reasons.... some being.. he doesn't care, he has bankrupted our nation, he has destroyed our international credibility, our armed services is stretched to beyond break point, and the equipment that they employ is much maligned and just as scarred as our troops, and our national finances are so dire that we are in no position to broker with anyone (without China's permission, as they own our national debt, and more than likely the futures of at least two or three generations of our citizens). Anyone else feel like they need a drink?

thompsonx -> RE: mad as HELL, illegals- fuming mad here! (2/9/2007 6:49:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WyrdRich quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: WyrdRich Inmates at high risk need to be isolated, lest their sentence be more severe than what was handed down. It's one of those pesky Constututional things, something about cruel and unusual punishments. WyrdRich: Gonna need a site on that one. How does one define high risk. If they were truley high risk they would have gone to club fed at Lompoc where some of the watergate gang went. Again ...If you can't do the time then don't do the crime. thompson Now that's funny, Thom. The last citation I saw you offer for one of your 'pearls' was to ask a military recruiter. Ask any used car salesman or mortgage broker about it. You can run along to www.supremecourt.gov and do a search all night if you like, or you can simply apply a bit of logic. Inmates who are at high risk from other inmates need to be isolated. WyrdRich: Once again you are wrong. My statement was that one should ask a Marine recruiter since they are the ones who know what the rules for enlistment are. I made no mention of used car sales men or mortgage brokers. Not to worry, your inability to cite a source for your rhetoric is as common as your lack of courtesy. thompson

UtopianRanger -> RE: mad as HELL, illegals- fuming mad here! (2/9/2007 6:50:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail several random and interconnected thoughts insurgents are (while legal and demanded in the constitution of america) illegal, and according to assholes should be jailed and killed--in fact they are usually associated with terrorists. Cops are cops, nothing unusual, but as time progresses believe that because they risk their shiny badge or whatever they are beyond and above the law. nope, piss on it, enough Well.... I guess we'll have to come up with another term for them then. I support the overwhelming majority of the Mexican populace who believe the current downtrodden conditions have been perpetuated a greedy government of the few. There can be no quality or quantity of propaganda delivered by the oligarchy in this country that will cause me to support the oligarchy in Mexico. - R

WyrdRich -> RE: mad as HELL, illegals- fuming mad here! (2/9/2007 6:58:08 PM)
Denial is not a river in Egypt, Thom. You're going to have to do better than that. If you are going to accuse me of not giving references, at least delete the link when you quote me. It's an excellent resource, and the dissenting opinions can be fascinating.

thompsonx -> RE: mad as HELL, illegals- fuming mad here! (2/9/2007 7:00:15 PM)
Kindaeasy69: Correct me if I am mistaken but you appear to be a lessezfaire capitalist. Do you believe in unions or are you against them? thompson

mnottertail -> RE: mad as HELL, illegals- fuming mad here! (2/9/2007 7:02:25 PM)
Based on some other threads, I am gonna back X on anything he says to a point , and I will let you know if he is gone beyond it, and I don't think he will, but his word carries a little--- well; we better go have a lookie see with me. Ron

thompsonx -> RE: mad as HELL, illegals- fuming mad here! (2/9/2007 7:05:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: puella You honestly think a fence is going to secure the border? I think Stephen Colbert's idea of motes of flaming magma and iron clad crocodiles has both a better chance and is less fanciful. puella: The quite simple solution is to arrest the people who employ them and confiscate their property that was paid for by the labor of these migrant slaves. When people like Wal Mart and tyson food and Swift and Hormel and the rest of these slavers start going to prison and loosing their multi million dollar factories and homes and boats and such then there will be no more illegal immigration and these people will be forced to pay a living wage to american citizens. thompson Thompson, you're right on this point. Big Corporations and businesses have their dicks deep into the ass of this administration. Everything Bush has done is for them and the American People be damned! This is GREED on a Biblical scale. Bush should be impeached for dereliction of duty because of the border/ illegal alien situation alone! How on earth can any country put up with having 12-20 million illegal aliens within it's borders and it's government does nothing but talk? It's gotten so bad that I don't care if we have jack booted police kicking in doors at 0300 just get these people the (fuck) out! Our schools, hospitals, courts, jails and other systems are collapsing under their weight. We Citizens pay for those things and illegals come here and steal from us and in the process drive down wages for our own Citizens. The American People never wanted "Nafta" yet Clinton pushed it through anyway! It needed 67 votes in the U.S. Senate to pass (2/3) but only got 61 votes! What's that tell you? That border needs to be closed down tighter than a drum. Declare Martial Law and put Troops on it with shoot to kill orders just like we have on S. Korea's border. popeye: Please do not try to associate anything I have to say with your mindless bigotry. thompson

kindaeasy69 -> RE: mad as HELL, illegals- fuming mad here! (2/9/2007 7:08:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx Kindaeasy69: Correct me if I am mistaken but you appear to be a lessezfaire capitalist. Do you believe in unions or are you against them? thompson thompsonx, I just wanted to have a spirited theoretical debate; I really didn’t want to make things personal. Hell for all I know we may agree with each other and one of us is just playing devils advocate. Are my personal views really important to throwing a little logic at your statement? I didn’t ask if you were a communist or socialist, did I?

thompsonx -> RE: mad as HELL, illegals- fuming mad here! (2/9/2007 7:14:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WyrdRich Denial is not a river in Egypt, Thom. You're going to have to do better than that. If you are going to accuse me of not giving references, at least delete the link when you quote me. It's an excellent resource, and the dissenting opinions can be fascinating. WyrdRich: I ask for a cite and you tell me that it is in one of the suprem court decissions. You do not know which one but you are sure it is in one of them...when you find it let me know but in the meantime ..... thompson

mnottertail -> RE: mad as HELL, illegals- fuming mad here! (2/9/2007 7:19:05 PM)
LOL, george, you look to mexico, I look at where I live.

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