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RE: Uppercase and lowercase nicks on the internet - 4/17/2006 5:25:41 PM

IronBear

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blue^elf, excelent. I couldn't agree more. I'd be more worried that any slave of House Iron Bear was acting properly, than not capping their posts when they were on line.

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RE: Uppercase and lowercase nicks on the internet - 4/17/2006 5:27:24 PM

mariba

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It is just a convention. It makes it easier for everyone to make a quick decision. I don't see any harm, but that said... I don't take people as seriously if they capitalize inappropriately. If a guy says "I am a dominate and you will obey My commands and worship Me" I just laugh it off, the thing that really irritates me is when someone says they are a "dominate" instead of a "dominant" that makes me cringe.

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RE: Uppercase and lowercase nicks on the internet - 4/17/2006 6:40:56 PM

Arpig

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the whole UPPERCASE for doms, lowercase for subs thing is stupid.
Type like the person you are, drop the annoying W/we crap.
It is irrelevant how a person types, it is a stupid HNG idea if you ask me...the most dominant person I know never once uses uppercase letters...that is just how he types...so be it.

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RE: Uppercase and lowercase nicks on the internet - 4/18/2006 11:33:01 PM

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I agree, I don't use the titles master, sir, or anything else. I don't in real life, unless I don't like the person. Ever have a boss say, "It's okay to call me Rob." If I don't like them, I say, "I just need you to initial this, Mr. Crawley." Then go about my business. To me, it keeps them at a distance. I just never could get into all that You/you thing. It's not anything I need to learn and I don't want to get involved with anyone who wants to press that onto me either. I usually cap a persons name, sometimes I type it the way they have it (in lower case), but not usually. It's usually if my finger didn't stay on the cap key long enough or I didn't hit it hard enough LOL.

Thank you Blue elf, I really enjoyed this thread.
Thank you also Stormsfate for the link. I enjoyed that whole article. I was in a long marriage and we were not into going to any of the public scenes, munches, etc. We didn't share it with anyone, just each other and I could definately relate to so much in that article.
(edited to correct spelling of a name)

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RE: Uppercase and lowercase nicks on the internet - 4/19/2006 1:33:28 AM

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i definitely agree with your post, blue^elf.

my personal policy as far as capitalization goes is...i tend to lowercase things in casual conversation anyway, as well as having my nicks lowercase, just because i'm lazy and i like typing in all lowercase. when i'm writing an email to my Dominant or speaking of Him, i capitalize His name and pronouns, etc. when i'm speaking of or to other dominants, i don't do that - not because i don't respect them, i do, but because "he" and "He" mean vastly different things to me. also because i think that unless one has chosen to submit to another, they are pretty much on an equal level with the other.

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RE: Uppercase and lowercase nicks on the Internet - 4/19/2006 5:19:25 AM

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I personally think netiquette is a joke. The whole Y/you thing is almost as bad as U or R, and referring to yourself in the third person always makes me laugh, and you look like a buffoon. These are the main reasons I don't participate in chat rooms.

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RE: Uppercase and lowercase nicks on the internet - 4/19/2006 5:38:53 AM

MadamShy

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in chat .. which I detest really but thats a whole other subject ..I don't see the need for upper nor lower least anyone to get anal about it ... but I do require it when a slave writes to Me .. its mostly to see if they can follow orders ... most do not wish too ... that is there choice they can move on...

I use ther upper lower and wish it used... that is My choice each have there own choices I give the illusion that I am a higher archy than a submissive ...[note word illusion] ...so I wish them to be lower [case] than Myself....

I personally don't like chat rooms because of there anal ways that all need to follow .. I think I don't like to be lower cased when a slave/sub is upper... that would be My only pet peeve.... if all same ok or grammer uppercasing ok ... that is if I ever would be in a chat room at all...

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RE: Uppercase and lowercase nicks on the internet - 4/19/2006 7:02:33 AM

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I'll just have to get my play partner to start addressing me in lower case the next time she has something to say.

'But how do I talk in lower case Sir?'

'Just do it!'

WHACK!!!

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RE: Uppercase and lowercase nicks on the internet - 4/19/2006 7:43:00 AM

CelticPrince

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buttslut,

a good post that covers the subject well enuff.

it is a protocol that some prefer not to use / simple as that.

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RE: Uppercase and lowercase nicks on the internet - 4/19/2006 11:54:45 AM

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Awesome post, blue^elf. I really enjoyed it, and you definitely have a better grasp of English than most native speakers feel they need to possess.

My Personal Online Etiquette (presented because I wanted to contribute to the thread, not because everybody should follow my guidelines):

1. If someone's earned my respect, I'll cap their handle however they wish, so long as their wish isn't in contradiction of the next guideline. Otherwise, I'll cap it as I wish.

2. I don't use titles or honorifics with anyone except my dom. Ever. This is my choice; my dom could care less what I call other people. If it's part of their scene name, I use the non-honorific part (we've got a friend who's scene name is Master[his first initial]. I call him by his first initial, or his first name). As has been said earlier in the thread, calling yourself Master or whatever doesn't make you one, and it sure as hell doesn't make you mine.

3. I type regular posts in proper modern English as best I can, 'cause I'm a language geek. In chat, I usually use all lowercase because it's faster. My handles are lowercase because I think it's pretty. Has nothing to do with the kind of power exchange in which I participate.

4. The biggest problem I have with all this online "caps make it easier to decide who you want to talk to!" stuff is--what about switches? I'm a switch. Should I vary my capitalisation to reflect that? Should I have to decide whether I'm feeling more toppy or bottomy today? What would be the point of that? What about people for whom this type of expressed power exchange has no meaning? Should they go away and never publicly explore BDSM at all?

Binaries are useful in simple societies and interactions, but we ain't got one of those no more (never did, imho), and being so attached to a particular binary that it sends one into a radical tizzy when that binary is challenged or ignored--well. Leads to nastiness, obviously.

In other news, I started to read the article linked by stormsfate, and was mildly irritated just by the opening--why does being involved in public play and the "scene" have to be mutually exclusive from being in a long-term, committed, real-time, 24/7-ish relationship?

(I will finish the article, but the introduction bugged me so much I had to go away from it for a while.)

The end of another very long, essentially pointless reply. Huzzah.

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RE: Uppercase and lowercase nicks on the internet - 4/19/2006 1:50:13 PM

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I agree absolutely. I started using my name lower-case w/ my first Mistress, but I didn't lower-case "I" or anything like that. I also started writing kinky fanfic and posting it online. At the time (1995), I was an untenured professor, and I wondered if I should use a handle. But that was when the debates over the stupid Internet Decency Act were going on, and I'm opposed to censorship of any kind. So I decided to use my first name lower-case. I have somewhat of an unusual name, and it would have been possible for someone to figure out who I was, but I figured my personal life was separate from my work life, and it became a way of drawing a bit of a line b/t the two w/out hiding. Since then I've just become my first name lower-case w/ everything I do that isn't work-related. I've published a few original stories under my first name L.C., I sign emails to anyone I write to that way, including emails to colleagues at work.

A few students did find my fanfic occasionally, but that's b/c they were involved in it themselves. One of them recently wrote a paper about slash for a graduate seminar, and she's giving that paper at a couple of conferences! I also have a published article about BDSM that I included in my portfolio for tenure, and in it, I included my own experiences as mine.

Anyway, I've digressed into blathering about being out, but I will say that having rules about how people should write their names or what types of pronouns they should use online, etc, is silly, IMHO. I believe that people should be called by whatever they prefer; IMHO, that is what is respecful. And just b/c someone is a sub doesn't mean he/she doesn't deserve basic respect, which, to me, includes the way he/she expresses his/her identity. Or if a sub in a relationship has been ordered to use lower-case, that's fine too. But as a universal rule for chatrooms, etc., I don't see the point. Respect is in how you behave, not what form of typography you use.

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RE: Uppercase and lowercase nicks on the internet - 4/19/2006 5:46:44 PM

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blue^elf, new friend here! hi. Agree wholeheartedly, but i always have a few notes to add.

Most of my friends know that for some years, i was pretty vocal about my feeling that the lifestyle doesn't need to format new grammar to set itself apart, we do enough things that make us unique. Normally, pronouns are capped, proper titles are capped, and I is capped, just because that's the way we who use any derrivative of the Kings English do it.

Now,

i do the camel typing in chat because i am instructed to. The lesson behind it is not to display how well Master knows Nettiquette, it is to make ME slow down and pay attention to my typing, instead of rushing to get my 2 cents in. <blushes> Yes, that's a big problem for me, accepting that if my comments aren't added to the convo fast enough, the place will not cave in.

Considering that it's not real time and rushing is not a factor in message boards, i will ask TheHim if that might be relaxed in this setting.

i've just always felt that respect or intent should be shown more by what you say than formatting. For example, when i enter a chat where i know almost all of the participants, i always greet the subs first, female, then male, on one line, then the Doms and Dommes on another with Sirs, Maams, and known switches as peers if i can't tell which hat they are presenting (some do have Top days and bottom days)

i was asked why, since i used the Sir and Maams as a form of respect to known Dominants, didn't i greet them first. i say that because i am there as a friend to the subs and switches, and NOT there to draw the attention of the Dominants, my greeting the subs first signals i am there to visit, not Dom-hunt. i don't ever need to draw this distinction when entering a live event group, because rarely does one enter a room and find Everyone right there in the doorway at once, so you can greet as you come upon people.

<There, of course, i like to use the traditional greetings of fondling ones genitals>

[edited to correct spelling]

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RE: Uppercase and lowercase nicks on the internet - 4/19/2006 8:15:32 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: stormsfate

Speaking of a.s.b.....this reminds me of something Polly Peachum wrote about in regard to IRC chats. I chuckled when she first wrote it, and still chuckle every time I run across it.

http://www.submissivewomenspeak.net/irctalk.htm

best regards,
fate

Thanks for posting this link stormsfate
I really enjoyed it. Having been on IRC on and off for a few years (lived in the middle of nowhere) I saw alot of the same thing.
Fortunately there are some very real and nice ppl there as well. They are just harder to find *smiles*

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RE: Uppercase and lowercase nicks on the internet - 4/19/2006 8:37:51 PM

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e e cummings might have been really pissed off if you capitalized his name.

"and distinctly a question of individuality....poetry is being, not doing....if poetry is your goal, you've got to forget all about punishments and all about rewards and all about selfstyled obligations and duties and responsibilities....."

Be yourself and forget about the self styled disciplinarians. They are just fakers. I once read a three page essay on the protocols involved with upper/lower case letters on the internet. I threw up immediately after. Perhaps it was the large quantities of chocolate I ate. I think not. I doubt the author ever even got laid much less has a sub or slave.

The policing of upper/lowercase protocols is the assigned to the ______________ (fill in according to your perception of reality).

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P.s. If the use of lower case letters when referring to you is infuriating, get into therapy and get help...or just get a hooker and pay for it. The hooker may be cheaper.

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RE: Uppercase and lowercase nicks on the internet - 4/19/2006 10:05:43 PM

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Hello Everyone,

I must say that the 'to cap' or 'not to cap' thing is a bunch of crap - IMO of course - lol. I am a Dominant and intentionally do not cap my name in some chat rooms. I do this because I want to see people's reactions. If a dominant treats me poorly because he mistakes me for a submissive then I know he would treat a submissive poorly and thus is not someone I want to know. If a submissive dismisses me then I know that they are only concerned about kissing the 'obvious' dominant ass's in the room - lol. Either way, I don't want to know these folks. I find that not capitalizing my name serves to root out a whole group of people that I don't want to have anything to do with anyway - lol.

Perhaps not the original intent of the whole debacle but it has worked out well for me.

Wickad
(some chat rooms, not forums - lol)

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RE: Uppercase and lowercase nicks on the internet - 4/20/2006 6:38:11 AM

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i chat occasionally on Yahoo through a BDSM group that i belong to....some people are VERY concerned with the use of Upper Case and lower case....for that reason, i generally follow those rules - better to err on the side of courtesy than offend someone....

that being said....i do feel that if a person's Dominance is threatened because my pinkie slipped....they may have a few self-esteem issues.....

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RE: Uppercase and lowercase nicks on the internet - 4/20/2006 7:50:48 AM

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hello, this is the first time i've posted but this was a great topic and i just had to.

i do understand the concept of "just because you say you're a Dom or Master doesn't necessarily mean you are one," and "i will show you respect when you've earned it." i believe, agree and follow both of them. i, however, have learned to use uppercase and lower case from BDSM chatrooms on Yahoo. The people in that room told me it was a matter of respect to Doms and although i REALLY believe that Doms and subs/slaves deserve the same amount of respect because both positions are very challenging. it takes a specific kind of person to lead just as it takes a specific kind of person to follow them. each deserve to be treated with kindness and respect.

that being said, some Doms really don't care if i were to to use "you" instead of "You" during an email on here or messaging them on Yahoo or something. For others, i can pretty much feel them out and simply know that i should use "You" when speaking to them. However, i never call a Dom "Sir" because for one, i've always hated that word even when we were instructed to use it in school or something. i don't know, it's pompous and arrogant and it just grates on me. This is in no offense to anyone, mind you.

as for not capitalizing "i" when speaking of myself, i'm just that lazy. i'll include apostrophes and commas and use proper grammar but outside of speaking to a Dom, i just don't make my pinkie go to the shift key. for the most part, i don't even capitalize when i start a sentence, for those of you that have noticed. i just don't see the point. we're online, here. it's okay to be relaxed and simple and we shouldn't ream people out just because they can't do the "hi A/all" (which i do in chatrooms on here because i figure it's probably expected of me because after all, we are on this site).

i really agree with what BeachMystress said about how a capitalization doesn't make or unmake someone's position. personally, i've always been confused with where to capitalize. do i use "Someone" or "someOne" when referring to a Dom/me? that's partially why i just go with it and more times than not use "You" only.

there's my opinion and that's all it is. take care.

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RE: Uppercase and lowercase nicks on the internet - 4/22/2006 12:34:37 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: stormsfate

Speaking of a.s.b.....this reminds me of something Polly Peachum wrote about in regard to IRC chats. I chuckled when she first wrote it, and still chuckle every time I run across it.

http://www.submissivewomenspeak.net/irctalk.htm

best regards,
fate

UGH - those two did more spin than anything else when they spoke/wrote. So much misinformation! So much OTW BS!

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