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BitaTruble -> RE: what makes Gor special? (2/13/2007 10:01:40 AM)
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ORIGINAL: mixielicous
so my question is, how did Gor become so much more philosophical than M/s/D/s?
It didn't. Gor is an amalgamation of many different historical philosophies and cultures culled together in the books of JN with a base of 'natural order' and some of the follwers have taken this amalgamation, embraced it and choose to live their lives based on what they perceive those philosophies to be.
Those who partake of M/s and D/s do the exact same thing, except we don't have a handbook so we take what works for us as individuals. I think it's something to note that Goreans have no problem at all discarding things of Gor (from the books) which don't fit into their lives. Goreans really are not sheeples and for those who actually live their lives with honor and integrity, I am content to call them friend. Unfortunately, online postureing gives many a bad name, but that's true of any group of people. It boils down to the exact same thing it does in M/s, some individuals are worthwhile to get to know, some aren't and it's up to each of us to figure out the difference.
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While 26 books obviously will lead to the depth of what they practice, why is it a general-ish consensus that people of the BDSM in M/s realm have lower standards when it comes to protocol/roles/commitment, even etiquette ...
For those who think they have higher standards just because they embrace a set philosophy, I'd say they are living in a bit of a fantasy which has nothing to do with any books. It still boils down to a people thing. Some people set and maintain certain standards that are worthwhile, some have no standards at all. Calling oneself Gorean is not a guarentee that someone has high standards or honor or integrity. Calling oneself a Master does not mean one has high standards of honesty and integrity. It is just as likely for the lowest slave on the planet (male or female) to have more integrity and honor than anyone who calls themselves Gorean or Master.
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Why is it because i post on the BDSM thread i am a player, not committed for the long haul?
People often put down others to lift themselves. Don't sweat the small stuff or the small minded. You are what you are and that's all that matters. If someone else puts you down for that, it speaks much more to their character than yours.
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Do you agree that some mainstream BDSM practices overlap the Gorean lifestyle?
Absolutely, but for some reason, most goreans don't seem to like to admit it or talk much about it. I think by so doing, it could be viewed that they are 'much' more like M/s than 'not' like M/s folk and that ruins the fantasy and leads to inclusion rather than separation, a state preferred by most self-proclaimed Goreans. If the practice of Gor is a legit part of BDSM, they can't be special, nor set themselves apart from the general population, so they shun it with outward displays of contempt, but then behind closed doors, tie their slaves up and beat them silly and everyone skips off quite happy with doing it all their own way. Like many Masters, Goreans have a certain persona which must be maintained to the outside world, but the masks come off in private and, basically, they do what the hell they want just like the rest of us.
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i would hope for answers from people who might know a bit about their philosophy to answer .. so that i may avoid judgmental responses from fear of the unknown [sm=idea.gif]
Sometimes you get what you wish for. ::grins::
Celeste
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