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diaperedbaby -> RE: Sissies - is it all about them? (3/13/2007 7:52:37 AM)

Being all diapered and frilly does put you in a certain headspace faster. I clean or do dishes just as well, regardless of what I am wearing. I wouldn't say it is all about me. Many times it isn't at all.



zoebabes -> RE: Sissies - is it all about them? (3/15/2007 6:37:47 AM)

Going back to the original question posed i would say for me as a long time sissy tv call us what you will it has to be a natural born woman..as if its humiliation you seek who best to humiliate you than the real thing.

Ive played with all types & genders over the years and have enjoyed the experiences but never in a realistic power exchange bdsm relationship as i have now had for 8 years. My dressing is occasional but the lessons ive learnt are

1. never for one moment believe your the real thing or even a male lesbain.
2. Be able to laugh at yourself then the world will tend to laugh with you rather than at you.

zoe



pantysniffer777 -> RE: Sissies - is it all about them? (3/19/2007 7:32:12 PM)

what a bunch of freaks i just like to sniff ladies panties not wear them



iwearpanties -> RE: Sissies - is it all about them? (3/22/2007 2:52:41 AM)

question is there a hugh diffrance between  a sissy , a crossdresser, and a tv/ts????



zoebabes -> RE: Sissies - is it all about them? (3/22/2007 3:35:14 AM)

My answer to that would be a resounding no..well certainly in the case of tv's.cd's or sissy's just different words for the same thing - a guy who enjoys dressing in women's clothing.

Obviously a TS is a different kettle of fish but in my 30 years experience of dressing etc id suggest genuine Transexuals are very few and far between..lol save of course on line.

zoe



LadyEllen -> RE: Sissies - is it all about them? (3/22/2007 6:44:31 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: iwearpanties

question is there a hugh diffrance between  a sissy , a crossdresser, and a tv/ts????


Thats a question and a half IWP. Its been covered many times here in the past, but in short (and very generally) there are two main groups in the transgender area when it comes to those born male;

1) those who temporarily and occasionally adopt the attire and/or appearance of the opposite sex, for the purposes of recreation, relaxation, thrill seeking, sexual arousal and a host of other reasons. There is no disjoint between gender identity and physical sex. These are crossdressers, TVs and sissies though there are differences even between these as subsets.

2) those who perceive over a long time a disjoint between their physical sex and their gender identity, and who gain relief from this psychological distress by adopting permanently and continually the attire and appearance of the opposite gender, changing their name and undergoing all manner of procedures in order to live 24/7 as the opposite gender, up to and including physical adaptations to their body such that they appear to be of the opposite sex too. These are TS though again there are subsets within that description.

The motivations are different for these two main groups.
Group 1 is about a psychological change which brings personal benefit in the short term. There is usually no inclination towards physical changes, as in the main these are normal heterosexual males who enjoy a transient change and the psychological effects this has on them
Group 2 is about a social (and often physical) change to harmonise the person as a whole to who they feel they are in terms of their gender identity, in the long term. There is usually a strong inclincation towards physical changes to aid their permanent transition. In the case of group 2 it is about social and physical changes to match an existing psychology.

We often also see different expression between these two groups.
Group 1 tends to make much of feminine stereotyping, exaggerating the appearance by way of attire and make up, as well as the manner to portray the sex they are emuluating.
Group 2 has as its objective to live 24/7 as the target gender and to blend in to the crowd and so will tend to dress and use make up that will not mark them out, and use more naturally female mannerisms.

Group 1 are in the main, normal males by way of their physical sex and their gender identity
Group 2 are in the main, normal males by way of their physical sex, but they have a female gender identity. Altering the body to resolve this disjoint being possible whilst altering the mind having proven impossible, it is the former which is adjusted to harmonise the person and relieve the distress they feel.

E



AcademyForSlaves -> RE: Sissies - is it all about them? (3/22/2007 2:21:55 PM)

Many of us have now learned that:

1. A slave asking to be "forced" is by no means being forced since they asked for it.

2. A born man asking to have sex with a man does lean towards the possibility that he might be bi-sexual or gay. (Asking someone to "force" him into it is only a sneaky tactic to place the blame on someone else so he can try to assure himself he is not gay.)

3. If a man feels that dressing up as a woman instantly transforms him into a slave (bitch, slut, etc) and makes him feel humiliated then he is implying that to be a woman is to be a submissive or slave. (Thus insulting any Dominant Female Mistress, since she is a woman herself.) (Instead he should be sissified or feminized to honour, respect, and pay homage to women.)

At the Academy we get alot of sissies, crossdressers, and men who want to be feminized. Some are fantasy-seekers who think it's all about them and just want a woman to help feminize him, but others are slaves who truly know what being a slave means (to serve and obey the Mistress) and they want to be trained or owned as a sissy slave, who we are more than happy to train. In fact we love sissy slaves. Most of our trainees are sissies and they have remained at the Academy for years.



iwearpanties -> RE: Sissies - is it all about them? (3/24/2007 3:22:39 AM)

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MsRose -> RE: Sissies - is it all about them? (3/24/2007 6:48:39 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Richh56

I think a lot of Dommes miss out an an excellent opertunity to have a most devoted submissive by automaticaly rejecting a submissive because he is a sissy. There are a lot of practical uses for a sissy with in the relationship. such as a maid, girl friend and almost automatic cockold slave or sub.

Sissys are more submissive then the average male and 99% have a deeper meaning to the lifestyle of Femdom in general.

Ladys, you sell your self short when you refuse to even consider a sissy as a possible sub


Wow. I have been selling myself short, it seems. I had no idea that identifying as a sissy automatically qualified him as anything other than a sissy. I'd like to know if this is indeed the case, or one submissive sissy's opinion.

I'm also curious to see if anyone else responds to the OP.



Aliya -> RE: Sissies - is it all about them? (3/25/2007 2:47:50 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: iwearpanties

question is there a hugh diffrance between  a sissy , a crossdresser, and a tv/ts????



Yes.

CD/TV want to express a sense of femmininty through dress and mannerisms.

TS want to be female if they are Male to Female (MtF) and the other way around if they are Female to Male (FtM).  Typically this involves a lot of money, time, sweat, and even blood depending on the proceedure.  TS typically wish to change their sex completely and to not do so is emotionally painful for them.

The current popular theories suggest some kind  of pre-natal developmental problem causes the brain of a TS to be encoded incorectly, so the sex and gender idenity don't match up.  There is no known way to undo this once it is done so it's easier to just let the person change sex.

There are some states of gender and sex that are inbetween those two poles so you can see an enormous amount of variation between different individuals who are expressing cross gender behaviours.

Aliya a.k.a DigitBox





tobeshi -> RE: Sissies - is it all about them? (4/3/2007 5:24:38 PM)

At least for me there is no doubt about it.......a natural born woman.  The superior gender of the species, unparalled as roll models and mentors. Worthy of devotion whether one is  "dressed up" or not. To find someone that permits your indulgence and encourages this lifestyle is truely a blessing.....all should be done for her pleasure. It is always has been and will continue to be about her, for without her we are incomplete and do not live,only exist....



Lady Alaria -> RE: Sissies - is it all about them? (4/3/2007 8:59:57 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LotusSong

This was a good program. After watching it, I reflected on why men seem to go the distance to become their female identity and the F->M transformation wasn't as prevalent.

OK Ellen, tell me if I figured it all out yet :).. I surmise that the M--> F complete transformation is the majority because it is indeed a WOMAN's nature to correct any physical anomaly. Woman are notoriously vain, so this thought verified the reality of it all for me. I never doubted the physiology of gender dismorphia. My question was why didn't more F-->M take place. Men aren't as finicky :) Plus the operation is more detailed.


I very much doubt this has much to do with it. The answer seems to lie almost completely in the surgery. The mtf surgery is fairly complete, functional and often impossible to differentiate. The Ftm surgery is more expensive and -far- less effective. Being that it is generally -not- functional(without an air pump), not terribly sensate, and not too realistic. It kinda falls into the 'What's the point?' category for a lot of people. You know?

Probably will change once the surgery is more acceptable.



Lady Alaria -> RE: Sissies - is it all about them? (4/3/2007 9:41:19 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: zoebabes

My answer to that would be a resounding no..well certainly in the case of tv's.cd's or sissy's just different words for the same thing - a guy who enjoys dressing in women's clothing.

Obviously a TS is a different kettle of fish but in my 30 years experience of dressing etc id suggest genuine Transexuals are very few and far between..lol save of course on line.

zoe


Not so rare as you'd think, just -much- less obvious. I've known a few, and you would never know if you weren't -very- good friends with them. Cross dressing doesn't make you any more likely to know them I think, as the 2 have very little overlap, and little in common. But it is quite possible you've met a few, and just don't know it.

It's similar to those who think Ftms are extremely rare, or a myth. An estimated 20-30% of TS on hormones are ftm. They just are even -less- obvious.

As to the question, without the TS in there, to a difference between cd, tv and sissy...I don't think there is really so much so, no. CD and TV mean pretty much the same, whereas 'sissy' seems to mean a particular sort of cd...usually involving some form of ageplay.



sissikerin -> RE: Sissies - is it all about them? (4/3/2007 9:50:03 PM)

Just to reply to Mistress Diane, most sissies look ridiculous for several reasons.
a) They don't want to actually look like a female
b) they don't know HOW to look like a female
c) it is a fetish thing therefore the little princess dresses or maid costumes
d) they are too masculine to be able to be seen as a female.

this of course is in no way definative, however it is to show that being a sissy is not just about dressing. Sometimes being a sissy is just a state of mind that is easily brought on by the costumes they wear.



SquirtMistress -> RE: Sissies - is it all about them? (4/3/2007 9:59:01 PM)

I am in a D/s relationship, and I love to sissy him.  After I dress him, I  love to "rape" him, and make him do girly things.  He looks super sexy to me dressed this way.  Many people have told me he looks very much like a girl.  I think he is bi-curios and this is kinda my way of warming him up!!



sissikerin -> RE: Sissies - is it all about them? (4/3/2007 10:04:01 PM)

To respond in general to the question... i prefer a dominant woman who was female to begin with. i am totally hetrosexual despite the clothes (someone said it as a male lesbian). Many of the outfits a sissy wears is taken from fantasies and turnons... what embodies (in the male mind) that of femininity? A french maid, a cheerleader, frills and lace, a hooker? It is the idea and concept that a male trying to be feminine wants to be what is in his mind sexy and feminine.

As for the BDSM part of sissies desires... isn't being "forced" to dress an aspect of dominance and submission? Yes it is very fetishistic however so is most parts of bdsm. I know people whos main interest is spankings and that is really all they want. Not much difference there. I even know of one person that they only want to be bound. All the time. Nothing else just restrained in some way. Is that any different than a sissy wanting to be feminized?

And some sissies are really into the rest of bdsm. I'm one who happens to enjoy so much more and am still looking for one who is willing to take from me the control i offer.

Crossdressing and sissies are a part of bdsm, as much as those who like to use knifes and blood let as much as those who like scat and other toilet play. I don't have to like it for it still to be a part of bdsm.

kerin



Lady Alaria -> RE: Sissies - is it all about them? (4/3/2007 10:42:15 PM)

Since I'm here, I thought I'd toss in one more opinion.

The act of dressing up enfemme is by it's nature a 'loaded' action. Far more so than dressing down, or dressing 'butch'. For women, to a large extent, dressing enfemme is a service. Something done for others. We learn by watching, and reading magazines, and trial and error, what looks good on us, in the general eyes of others. That is the reason to dress 'pretty'. The notion that it's more comfortable strikes me as mind-boggling, though I agree satin and silk are more sensuous.

Now, there are times I just get a kick out of it. I look in the mirror, see pretty and just feel better. But a lot of that has to do with habit, and conditioning. When a girl is growing up, and throughout adult life, it's reinforced. If she looks good, she gets compliments, or attention. If she doesn't, she gets "You're wearing that?". Sometimes, women dress particular ways for the effect it has on others. Regardless, dressing up is something she does to look good for other people. Very few women get dressed up to stay home.

When a sissy dresses 'pretty', he generally doesn't take the opinions, interests or desires of those around him into account. He does not dress in a manner that his chosen type of mate(het females) tend to be attracted to. He does not dress in a manner that those around him find comforting. He dresses in a manner that has a specific affect on his own arousal, and has nothing whatever to do with the woman he is with. Though he does search for someone who happens to find this a specific turn-on. Despite the weight of evidence that this is exceedingly rare. Often he settles for someone who will sort of tolerate it, and maybe learn to accept or even like it.

I like pretty boys. In fact, I love pretty boys, they get me hot and bothered. The moment you put that pretty boy in clothes designed to accentuate a body that he doesn't have, he stops being so pretty. Toss in a bunch of caricatures of femme sexuality, and he starts either looking silly, or kinda anti-pretty. Though a really well done cd can be cute.

There are ways to make yourself looks pretty, sexy, and even femmy, no matter what you look like, and have it actually look attractive(to the average). But wearing things that are appropriate to your body, and actually paying attention to what people like to see goes a long way. Boys in sarongs look great. Nobody looks sexy in a tutu.

So yes, it is all about them, and is not submissive at all. It is a kink. Which is cool, but has nothing at all to do with bdsm except that a fair number of people seem to have a bit of both. A lot of sissy subs out there. Which is also cool, as long as sissy isn't your only form of submission, as it isn't submissive in itself at all. And yeah, I tend to view sissification as a reward for good behavior/revocable privilege, rather than as a punishment.

YMMV, subject to change with or without notice, the opinions stated here are not anyone's really, and no one is responsible for them at all.



Lady Alaria -> RE: Sissies - is it all about them? (4/3/2007 11:04:36 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: sissikerin
As for the BDSM part of sissies desires... isn't being "forced" to dress an aspect of dominance and submission?

No, not really. there can be D/s stuff there -too-, but wanting someone to dress you up is -not- a submissive desire on it's own. At all.

quote:


Yes it is very fetishistic however so is most parts of bdsm. I know people whos main interest is spankings and that is really all they want. Not much difference there. I even know of one person that they only want to be bound. All the time. Nothing else just restrained in some way. Is that any different than a sissy wanting to be feminized?


No, not too much difference, still not submissive. But it is BDSM. As the B in bdsm stands for bondage and the M stands for masochist. Sissification isn't in there.

Cross-dressing is not bdsm. Any more than having a fetish for black guys or BBWs. Any more than getting turned on by hentai or liking to sniff panties. Any more than preferring a fucking machine over a dildo. Or not wanting to have sex with the lights on. Or any of a number of other sexual kinks and 'unusual' desires. Not that there is anything wrong with that, at all. Kinks are cool too.

It can become part of bdsm, just like anything else can. For instance, I have a foot thing. My feet are -very- sensitive, and can cause heavy arousal. This is not bdsm itself. But it can become a part of bdsm. Because with a sub, I might have him/her lick my feet as part of their service. Or a Dom/me I was with might play with my feet enough to drive me crazy, for their amusement.

But my feet aren't the focus of my kink, the domination is. And if I refused to play with any Dom/me who didn't focus on my feet, well...I'd better be pretty damn hot stuff in other ways for them to be willing to put up with that sort of crap from me.



Mustardseed -> RE: Sissies - is it all about them? (4/3/2007 11:30:48 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Richh56

I think a lot of Dommes miss out an an excellent opertunity to have a most devoted submissive by automaticaly rejecting a submissive because he is a sissy. There are a lot of practical uses for a sissy with in the relationship. such as a maid, girl friend and almost automatic cockold slave or sub.

Sissys are more submissive then the average male and 99% have a deeper meaning to the lifestyle of Femdom in general.

Ladys, you sell your self short when you refuse to even consider a sissy as a possible sub


I tend to view feminization as different that sissification. I've been reading A Charm School for Sissy Maids (2nd edition) by Mistress Lorelei and I can see that there are very definite points on where I'd have to draw the line:
  • the ideas that weakness and helplessness are to be encouraged
  • shrill, high voices
  • limp wrists at the end of T-rex bent arms
I'd be psychotic within a week if I had to put up with the sort of behavior, which I identify specifically with sissies. Feminization, however, is a bit different. That, to me, means either femming a guy up a bit with some make-up and gender neutral or outright gender-bending clothes, or going all out and trying to get him to pass. If Patrick Swaysze (sp?) and Terrance Stamp could do it, I don't see how a fair number of men interested in feminization couldn't at least attempt to pass for their age range -- even without surgery.

I could get into having a submissive who was interested in wearing tasteful clothes and twonking his appearance enough to get people to do double-takes. However, I don't think I could deal with a squeaking, mincing, frilly person -- no matter how dedicated to service they were. It'd be like nails on a chalkboard to me asthetically, and I'd want to find my submissive pleasing and attractive. Heck, I'd rather have someone who considered feminization a hard limit than someone who would push so many of my buttons with one kink.


quote:

ORIGINAL: LotusSong

Also, I think someone could make a mint making under garments for men using women's silky fabrics and such what do you think?


I wonder if they are making a mint? http://www.manties.net/



MistressRouge -> RE: Sissies - is it all about them? (4/4/2007 3:28:59 AM)

I really enjoy sissies, Cd.s and Tv's. I have different types that visit Me for session. Some enjoy the BDSM, humiliation scene, some enjoy the maid-training/ etiquette training, and being of use, and helpfulness whilst transformed. Some like the girly aspect, of dressing and revealing their "inner-self" to Me.

I understand the dynamic of which all these factors are a longing and an urge, a release and liberating, freedom once transformed.

I always name My sissies too, if they have not a name a such, and I delight in the change in persona once transformed. I enjoy applying full make-up, quality wigs etc, and My enthusiasm is paramount, as I adore it.

Regards,

Mistress Roug'e.

http://mistressrouge.webeden.co.uk/



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