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RE: Dark Side Of Valentines Day - 2/14/2007 6:43:00 PM

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Supporting an organization who CAN make a difference is a hell of a lot more effective than a silent protest that won't affect diddly shit

I really truly would like to know what organizations that you think make a difference that are worth donating money to... perhaps I could look into them and give them a few bucks. I am pretty choosy about organizations to give money to because many of them are a racket... but I know there are some truly wonderful orgs that help people.

There is more than one way to skin a cat, thanks for sharing your way.

I was stationed at a well known nonprofit. I was privy to alot of the infighting and bickering. A large % went for "adminstrative" costs. "forms" and endless "training".

here is 2 places I would send a buck or 2 to:
http://www.freespeech.org/fscm2/genx.php?name=home

http://www.worldlinktv.org/

I like them because they tell all perspective of the story. Not just a soundbite- or what is more"infotainment" per corporate media.

Both stations can be viewed via both satlite providers.

Channel 9415 on Dish
9410 on Dish.

I dont know what the numbers are on Direct.

Both websites have archives of clips, podcasts.

If you need to know what Jaylo is wearing- these stations are not for you.

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RE: Dark Side Of Valentines Day - 2/14/2007 6:46:28 PM

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here is 2 places I would send a buck or 2 to:
http://www.freespeech.org/fscm2/genx.php?name=home

http://www.worldlinktv.org/

I like them because they tell all perspective of the story. Not just a soundbite- or what is more"infotainment" per corporate media.

Both stations can be viewed via both satlite providers.

Channel 9415 on Dish
9410 on Dish.

I dont know what the numbers are on Direct.
Both websites have archives of clips, podcasts.
If you need to know what Jaylo is wearing- these stations are not for you.

Note to conservatives: you might be pleasantly surprised. Peek in every now and then.

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RE: Dark Side Of Valentines Day - 2/14/2007 8:06:40 PM

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Either of those I believe carry Amy Goodman's Democracy Now.

Amy Goodman is HOT!

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RE: Dark Side Of Valentines Day - 2/14/2007 8:14:58 PM

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Either of those I believe carry Amy Goodman's Democracy Now.

Amy Goodman is HOT!

Amy Goodman wears no make up. Her show isnt about tits and azz. Anyhow- I admire her beauty too.

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RE: Dark Side Of Valentines Day - 2/14/2007 8:58:27 PM

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OK...and? No offence julia, but this is sort of a typical Cali mentality isn't it? They do this and they do that, so I'm not going to buy "insert your whatever here". Damnit folks, you are not going to save the world, give it up, brutality and killing will go on as it has for centuries, it's a world market, not a nursery school. I'll buy a product because that is what I want to buy and without doing a ton of research or worrying who did what to who to get it to the shelf or if it's going to cause mutants in a thousand years. If a few people don't buy a product, oh well, there are thousands others who will. I don't like McDonalds because they support gun control, but I've noticed that although I wouldn't eat a Big Mac if I was starving, they are still in business...so I support other organizations that have more pull. If you really feel strongly about something and want to make an impact, political influence or promoting a help organization would seem more prudent.

Ahem. All due respect, truly, but must we generalize everyone in a given state and insult 'em all...hmmm? I mean c'mon with all our fresh coastal air here, with the invention of most of technology, one's gotta realize maybe our "mentality" is onto something, eh? (tongue & cheek here, I really don't care what folks think of those of us who live in this beautiful state).

However...having said that...while my little ol' change of spending may not make a difference to the masses, perhaps it makes a difference to me? Perhaps I like to know where my money is going, and I prefer to be conscienscious about it. It's okay to educate myself on where my money is going, really! I mean, I do love glittery, sparkling, eye catching diamonds, but did you know there are diamond mines in Alaska that a) keep the money here in this fine country; b) support a diamond business other than DeBeers; and c) don't involve the mutilating of men, women and children to do it? Now, if I have a choice, then I would like to choose the local option. What Julia is pointing out are issues behind our purchases that people may not have known about. Not to be argumentative here, but I'm not sure what's wrong with that...?

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RE: Dark Side Of Valentines Day - 2/14/2007 9:03:19 PM

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Hmmm...good thing this one is so easy to please.....HATE diamonds...cut flowers die and make me sad....and buy my own damn chocolates!

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RE: Dark Side Of Valentines Day - 2/14/2007 9:04:28 PM

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Julia is indeed intelligent and educated...Definately someone to 'watch' on the boards, i know i do! <G>

Always and all ways,
colleen

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RE: Dark Side Of Valentines Day - 2/14/2007 9:07:47 PM

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Oh, yay! that was my sixty ninth post...do i get a medal or something?

colleen

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RE: Dark Side Of Valentines Day - 2/15/2007 12:35:35 AM

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This is not a guilt post, it is more to make you aware if you were not already of how there is exploitation with three of the most popular Valentines Day gift traditions so that next year you can make better choices when selecting gifts.

First is about child slavery and chocolate
http://www.american.edu/ted/chocolate-slave.htm

The way to stop this to buy chocolate from companies that promote civil society and use only fair trade cocoa. One such company that sells in the USA is Divine chocolate.

The next one is the blood diamond trade (conflict diamonds)
http://www.un.org/peace/africa/Diamond.html

Here is a list of four things you can do to ensure that the diamonds that you give will not be tainted
http://www.amnesty.org.nz/web/pages/home.nsf/dd5cab6801f1723585256474005327c8/07697825f6001416cc257265006f9483!OpenDocument

The next is the flower industry which has a history of exploitation of single mothers, often exposing them to dangerous pesticides with no worker protection
http://www.alternet.org/rights/47847/

Ask where the flowers you bought came from.

It takes just a little effort and it is well worth it to make sure that our dollars are spent humanely... that way we give our money in a way that grows the kind of world we want our children to live and love in.

Amen. I understand where you are coming from and agree with your actions. I quit using both Google and Yahoo search engines {I still have yahoo mail address that I never use} when they acted in a complicit manner with the Chinese government to censor certain internet content from their citizenry.

- R

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RE: Dark Side Of Valentines Day - 2/15/2007 12:43:01 AM

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Supporting an organization who CAN make a difference is a hell of a lot more effective than a silent protest that won't affect diddly shit

I really truly would like to know what organizations that you think make a difference that are worth donating money to...

trickleup.org

then again, i am one of those dippy so cal girls who refuses to eat at chain restaurants, buys organic and helped keep wal-mart out of inglewood

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RE: Dark Side Of Valentines Day - 2/15/2007 3:13:18 AM

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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Supporting an organization who CAN make a difference is a hell of a lot more effective than a silent protest that won't affect diddly shit

I really truly would like to know what organizations that you think make a difference that are worth donating money to... perhaps I could look into them and give them a few bucks. I am pretty choosy about organizations to give money to because many of them are a racket... but I know there are some truly wonderful orgs that help people.

There is more than one way to skin a cat, thanks for sharing your way.

Try BACA. Bikers against child abuse. It's a wonderful organization that works with local law enforcement and social programs to help families and children in abusive situations.

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RE: Dark Side Of Valentines Day - 2/15/2007 4:35:55 AM

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awwww LMAO.. so twicehappy is scooters little pet. No wonder you jumped in to defend him .
maybe your collar is a little tight. Blood may be cut off to your brain !

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RE: Dark Side Of Valentines Day - 2/15/2007 5:21:04 AM

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I would just like to thank you Julia for posting that,

We all need a wake up call from our very comfortable life (for some reason i watched oprahs 'mothers around the world' special, and it was a very intense reality check as to what other people have to go through.
People who are not fortunate enough to have a few jobs, make enough money to not go hungry and live comfortably.

I know my life isnt perfect, my decisions aren't perfect... but I am sure I could do more to help others .. or at least to stop them from being hurt by my actions, even if its as simple as not buying a certain product. There is alot of people who already do this... Remember what happened to the fur trade when everyone was alerted to the plight of the animals? And how many people are vegetarians now as opposed to 50 years ago?

We are powerful.

Again, Thankyou Julia

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RE: Dark Side Of Valentines Day - 2/15/2007 5:25:28 AM

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awwww LMAO.. so twicehappy is scooters little pet. No wonder you jumped in to defend him .
maybe your collar is a little tight. Blood may be cut off to your brain !

At least Scooter has a pet in his collar.

It is very easy to passively help any cause by not buying merchandise. Try actively supporting a cause, donating time and money.

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"It is wise to direct your anger towards problems ? not people; to focus your energies on answers ? not excuses."

Get out and plant some trees, go clean up trails in National Forests where people destroy the environment, donate your hard earned money to stop child abuse, elder abuse, environmental organizations, volunteer in a soup kitchen or an old folks home, mentor rape victims, drag food out in the dead of winter for protected wildlife, give every penny you earn in race prizes to the charity of the month.

We have done all of this and more. Guess we could have stayed home and only eaten chocolate from a PC manufacturer instead.

Your baiting speaks so highly of your personality.

Apparently it is much easier to snipe from a behind a computer screen than formulate an original thought of your own.

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RE: Dark Side Of Valentines Day - 2/15/2007 5:31:00 AM

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~fast reply~

Thanks Julia...

One of the many reasons I refuse to ever buy/want a diamond... I don't trust that even if they say it's safe, that it is... I don't want to chance that anyones blood on my hands for something that costs that much!

As far as flowers, well, again, too much money anyhow... for something that my cats will eat or will die too quick. Plants are nice though...

Chocolates... well, that one, I'm going to have to live with the chance... again, you have to take it on face value that a company says they are fair trade... do I beleive them? I'm a skeptic when it comes to big business telling the market the truth about such things.

Yes, I can't change the world... but, I can do what little bit I can afford to do... and what makes me feel comfortable in my own skin... like with saying no to diamonds/buy Diamonique instead... I try to make my own cleaning supplies

I also still refuse to eat anything but albacore tuna because of the dolphins. I try to buy from cosmetic companies that are on PETA's list -- I'm not a vegetarian, I know "Hypocrite", but, I also don't think animal testing for vanity sake is necessary. Animals are an important cause for me, I donate monthly to the ASPCA as well as do charitable walks for the local Humane Society.

Just my 2 cents...

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RE: Dark Side Of Valentines Day - 2/15/2007 5:35:49 AM

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Some charities/non profits attract teh bitchiest- controlling, demented people-

When selecting a charity- ask what % goes to the cause. it ranges from 1% to 88% of every $.

when a nonprofit closest, by law no person may financially benefit- suppose they own a brick building- it must be passed on to another nonprofit.

Some view these laws as silly- a few persons in my area were busted and criminally charged for not following these laws.

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RE: Dark Side Of Valentines Day - 2/15/2007 5:59:55 AM

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~fast OT reply~

All I have to say about anyone jumping on twicehappy for defending Scooter... so? What's the big deal/what's wrong with it?

Charity begins at home.

This is a thought I remind myself of when I realize I can't afford to buy all this organic and/or fair trade stuff... my most important charity is to me and mine... at the end of the day, that's the most important charity I can donate to. We all do our part where, when, and how we can... But, first and foremost, charity begins at home.

Again, just my 2 cents, for whatever that's worth.

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RE: Dark Side Of Valentines Day - 2/15/2007 6:05:21 AM

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thread jack:

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Katy- how is the snow situation there? Roads have pretty much shut everything down here- an ice alvalanche fell on the road at Herndon. [40 miles north of Harrisburg, on rt 147]

Things are good today. The main roads are clear, back roads and side streets remain a mess. Anything is better than the sleet storm from the other night. People are still digging out, we have snow, with ice on top of it, plus more snow.

Julia:
No conversation hearts this year.....I didn't buy any. But if I did, you are on my share list.

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RE: Dark Side Of Valentines Day - 2/15/2007 6:09:44 AM

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Here is a list of most of the charities supported by bikers and/or the groups we support including H.O.G., T.R.O. and the A.M.A.

They are all certified charities. If you have no faith in charities then there are other way i listed above, of which donating money was but one of the few i listed

Action Against Hunger, African Wildlife Foundation, Alpha-1 Foundation, ALS Association / Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis Association, Alzheimer's Association, America's Second Harvest, American Cancer Society, American Diabetes Association, American Farmland Trust, American Forests, American Heart Association / National Office, American Humane Association, American Indian College Fund, American Institute for Cancer Research, American Jewish Joint Distribution Committee, American Kidney Fund, American Leprosy Missions, American Lung Association, American Near East Refugee Aid, American Refugee Committee,
American Rivers, AmeriCares, amfAR, The Foundation for AIDS Research, Animal Legal Defense Fund, Animal Protection Institute, Animal Rescue Foundation, Animal Sanctuary of the United States. Bikers Against Child Abuse, Bikers Against State Hunger, Believe In Tomorrow National Children's Foundation, Big Brothers Big Sisters of America, Big Cat Rescue Corp, Brother's Brother Foundation, Cancer Research and Prevention Foundation,
CancerCare, CARE USA, CaringBridge, Catholic Charities USA, Child Family Health International, Childreach / Plan USA, Children International, Children's Defense Fund, Children's Organ Transplant Association, Children, Incorporated, Chimes International Limited, Christian Appalachian Project, Christian Children's Fund, Christian Record Services,
Christian Reformed World Relief Committee, Christian Relief Services Charities, Compassion International, Crohn's & Colitis Foundation of America, Cystic Fibrosis Foundation, Diabetes Action Research and Education Foundation, Direct Relief International, Disabled American Veterans National Office, Easter Seals, Inc., Epilepsy Foundation (National Office),
Federation for American Immigration Reform, First Candle / SIDS Alliance, Food for the Poor,
Foundation for Ethnic Understanding, Freedom from Hunger, Friends of the Earth, Girls Incorporated, Give Kids the World, Global Hunger Project, Global Impact, Goodwill Industries International, Guide Dog Foundation for the Blind, Guiding Eyes for the Blind, Heifer Project International, Help the Afghan Children, Holy Land Christian Ecumenical Foundation, Huntington's Disease Society of America, I Have A Dream Foundation, International Fellowship of Christians and Jews, International Medical Corps, International Rescue Committee, Jewish National Fund, Juvenile Diabetes Research Foundation Interntational,
KaBOOM!, Kids In Distressed Situations, Lance Armstrong Foundation, Leukemia & Lymphoma Society, Lupus Foundation of America, Make-A-Wish Foundation of America (National Office), MAP International, March of Dimes Birth Defects Foundation, Marine Toys for Tots Foundation, Multiple Myeloma Research Foundation, Muscular Dystrophy Association, National 4-H Council, National Center for Family Literacy, National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, National Childhood Cancer Foundation, National Children's Cancer Society, National Credit Union Foundation, National Federation of the Blind, National Foundation for Cancer Research, National Kidney Foundation, National Multiple Sclerosis Society, National Osteoporosis Foundation, Native American Rights Fund, Natural Resources Defense Council, Nature Conservancy, Network for Good, Northwest Medical Teams International, Osteogenesis Imperfecta Foundation, Outreach International, Oxfam America,
Parent Project Muscular Dystrophy, Parents, Families & Friends of Lesbians & Gays, arkinson's Disease Foundation, Partnership for a Drug-Free America, Prader-Willi Syndrome Association USA, Project Concern International, Project Hope - The People-to-People Health Foundation, ProLiteracy Worldwide, Prostate Cancer Foundation, Recording for the Blind & Dyslexic, Ronald McDonald House Charities, Save the Children Federation, Scholarship America, Skin Cancer Foundation, Society of St. Vincent de Paul USA, National Council,
SOS Children's Villages - USA, Starlight Starbright Children's Foundation, U.S. Committee for Refugees and Immigrants, United Animal Nations, United States Asscociation for UNHCR,
United States Fund for UNICEF, United Way of America, USO, Vietnam Veterans Memorial Fund, Volunteers of America, Women's Funding Network, World Emergency Relief, World Neighbors, World Vision, World Wildlife Fund

There are also local charities that benefit every year that are too numerous to mention.

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RE: Dark Side Of Valentines Day - 2/15/2007 6:16:12 AM

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OK...and? No offence julia, but this is sort of a typical Cali mentality isn't it? They do this and they do that, so I'm not going to buy "insert your whatever here". Damnit folks, you are not going to save the world, give it up, brutality and killing will go on as it has for centuries, it's a world market, not a nursery school. I'll buy a product because that is what I want to buy and without doing a ton of research or worrying who did what to who to get it to the shelf or if it's going to cause mutants in a thousand years. If a few people don't buy a product, oh well, there are thousands others who will. I don't like McDonalds because they support gun control, but I've noticed that although I wouldn't eat a Big Mac if I was starving, they are still in business...so I support other organizations that have more pull. If you really feel strongly about something and want to make an impact, political influence or promoting a help organization would seem more prudent.

hmmmm....

sorry, this Californian rejects your notion that making a difference in this world means supporting one political cause or promoting a large charitable organization. in fact, it has nothing to do with where I was born, but has to do more with my own belief system, namely that I choose to serve others on more of a grass-roots level than on a large scale. you won't find my name next to a large dollar figure on the back pages of some benefit program, but you will see me delivering food to my local food pantry or organizing a food drive or organizing a classroom project to support soldiers overseas.

my point is, if someone is inclined to make a difference in this world, don't be so quick to knock it because you don't agree with their methods. we all make our own choices in how we spend our money, or how we don't, or how we help others, or how we don't. in the end, your idea of inconsequential may have a huge significance to someone else.

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