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juliaoceania -> RE: Dark Side Of Valentines Day (2/15/2007 6:39:28 AM)
quote: *Try BACA. Bikers against child abuse. It's a wonderful organization that works with local law enforcement and social programs to help families and children in abusive situations.* *Jewel* My brother used to date this very nice biker lady for a couple of years and she was always collecting toys for Christmas with the bikers in her area.... many bikers do wonderful things for children's charities. Edited for typo-speak[:D]

KatyLied -> RE: Dark Side Of Valentines Day (2/15/2007 6:43:56 AM)
Just to add about non-profit organizations. You can view the IRS 990 of charities at: http://www.guidestar.org/ It's worth the free membership if you want some information on organizations to which you are donating time/money/property.

juliaoceania -> RE: Dark Side Of Valentines Day (2/15/2007 6:44:59 AM)
quote: Chocolates... well, that one, I'm going to have to live with the chance... again, you have to take it on face value that a company says they are fair trade... do I beleive them? I'm a skeptic when it comes to big business telling the market the truth about such things. Divine chocolate is putting money into schools and the local economy http://www.fairtrade.org.uk/

juliaoceania -> RE: Dark Side Of Valentines Day (2/15/2007 6:52:34 AM)
fr I have nothing against giving to charity, and yes I have done so. I am not going to make a huge list of charities I have given to. I give cash, I do not get a receipt to claim on my taxes, and the charities I do give to are local, meaning I can give my time too. I think giving one's time is one of the most wonderful things a person can give. Habitat for Humanity is one of my favorite charities. Another charity I that I love love love is Valley Children's Hospital. One can give to charity and still watch where they spend their money... the two ideas are not mutually exclusive, I just wanted to point that out.

Emperor1956 -> RE: Dark Side Of Valentines Day (2/15/2007 7:01:51 AM)
Julia (and all): Of course voting with one's pocketbook (which is really voting with one's labor, sweat and effort, if you think about it) is among the MOST effective ways to create social change. One small recent case in point is the United Farm Workers story, where an education campaign coupled with the famous "grape boycott" led to significant improvement in the economic conditions for migrant workers in the USA. In Bhuddism there is a concept of "mindfulness" -- being aware of the one's place in the universe, and the affect one has on the world. Mindfulness is both a "macro" concept (where do I fit in here in the world?) and a "micro" concept (what are the ramifications of purchasing this "big mac"?). It need not be practiced by Bhuddists, only, as your thoughtful post and the many intelligent follow-ups evidence. Hope everyone had a fun, safe and "mindful" Valentine's Day, and if it was in your particular desire, a very sexy one, too. E.

juliaoceania -> RE: Dark Side Of Valentines Day (2/15/2007 7:10:09 AM)
quote: In Bhuddism there is a concept of "mindfulness" -- being aware of the one's place in the universe, and the affect one has on the world. Mindfulness is both a "macro" concept (where do I fit in here in the world?) and a "micro" concept (what are the ramifications of purchasing this "big mac"?). It need not be practiced by Bhuddists, only, as your thoughtful post and the many intelligent follow-ups evidence. With my penchant for Eastern thought this is how I look at things too. And thanks for the compliments. But I did grow up where those grape boycotts and lettuce boycotts are legendary. We have entire streets named after Cesar Chavez http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%C3%A9sar_Ch%C3%A1vez BTW, Walmart's sales are down... I think people realize those falling prices are liable to fall on their heads... I do everything I can not to shop there. Even if people cannot boycott Walmart, they can reduce what they spend. Pissdoll is not the only Californian to dislike Walmart

twicehappy -> RE: Dark Side Of Valentines Day (2/15/2007 7:14:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lighthearted I choose to serve others on more of a grass-roots level than on a large scale. Good for you! I worked as a hospice nurse for years and Meals on Wheels really helps a large number of seniors daily As i noted in my previous post i have as well, so i really do not understand why everybody is focusing solely on the list of approved charities helped by bikers i posted in response to Pahunk boy. quote: Get out and plant some trees, go clean up trails in National Forests where people destroy the environment, donate your hard earned money to stop child abuse, elder abuse, environmental organizations, volunteer in a soup kitchen or an old folks home, mentor rape victims, drag food out in the dead of winter for protected wildlife, give every penny you earn in race prizes to the charity of the month. And Julia thank you, i think the toy runs are the one event bikers promote that everybody remembers.

juliaoceania -> RE: Dark Side Of Valentines Day (2/15/2007 7:15:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KatyLied Just to add about non-profit organizations. You can view the IRS 990 of charities at: http://www.guidestar.org/ It's worth the free membership if you want some information on organizations to which you are donating time/money/property. I am going to sign up, thanks!

twicehappy -> RE: Dark Side Of Valentines Day (2/15/2007 7:19:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KatyLied Just to add about non-profit organizations. You can view the IRS 990 of charities at: http://www.guidestar.org/ Lmao... that is who the TRO uses to certify and list biker approved charities. It really is a good place. It's where i searched biker used and approved charities off the AMA links for members.

ShiftedJewel -> RE: Dark Side Of Valentines Day (2/15/2007 7:30:19 AM)
quote: awwww LMAO.. so twicehappy is scooters little pet. No wonder you jumped in to defend him . maybe your collar is a little tight. Blood may be cut off to your brain ! *Like I said in another thread... personal attacks are so ugly, aren't they. And I'll save you some time and brain cells. I'm Scooters wife and twicehappy's Mistress.* quote: My brother used to date this very nice biker lady for a couple of years and she was always collecting toys for Christmas with the bikers in her area.... many bikers do wonderful things for children's charities. Julia, yes, bikers do a lot of toy runs and other things for kids, and believe me, toy runs in this area are tough... it's damn cold in November.. lol But aside from that and closer to home we also do charity rides, not just the big ones, but we've been on several that are collecting money to help a family pay medical bills or, unfortunately, pay funeral costs. And I understand your desire to make some of these issues known and affect some sort of change but you know as well as I do that these big companies are not going to take noticed of a few or even a few hundred people not buying from them. There are just too many ways around it. You don't want to buy from them... fine, they'll sell their crap to a company you will buy from, at least until you find out, then they'll do it again and again. Want to affect some changes? Change the way the government works. Maybe I'm paranoid... and maybe not, but the government is spending way to much time and energy telling us what we, as average citizens, can and can not do and way to little time and energy on keeping big business in line. Why? Because it's cheaper and easier to force us into doing what they want. And all the sheeple can complain all they want but big business is still paying off the government with money that comes out of our pockets. Tax this, tax that, tear down those homes damnit... Walmart wants to build there! *Stop allowing the government to lead you around by the nosehairs, show them who really runs this country... then start making changes.* *Jewel*

Devilslilsister -> RE: Dark Side Of Valentines Day (2/15/2007 7:31:29 AM)
God Damn Twice!! Did that take you like 5 hours to input into a post. Doing that for the masses........ now thats charity! I have to say i agree with Scooter too. If we were to go the way julia suggested - well hell i would barely be able to buy anything at the grocery store. i'd go broke shopping. Pretty much everything comes from crappy stuff. Chickens get their beaks ripped off so 100's of them can be shoved into ONE big hen house, lay eggs, and not peck themselves to death. So well, we'd all have to really research our food. Especially Veal. Lets not eat veal. Poor little things. So we'd have ALOT of looking into with our food. Next would be make up, then clothing...... If you are going to do save the world "right" then you have to check out everything and not buy half of the things on the market...... and that would just be ludicrious and you'd end up commited because your family thought you lost a marble or two. Think about the extent of what you'd have to go through to buy only safe - humane things. i like Twice's idea much better. Donate your TIME. Everyone is always so willing to take the easy way out and it always seems that giving your time is just too much effort. If you really care - it wouldnt be. Go adopt a highway. Go clean up the dead animals on the road. Go clean up the trash. Go volunteer at an animal shelter. Go volunteer at a Childrens home. Go do meals on wheels. Go work at a homeless shelter. Go be a big brother/sister. HA - just go pick up all the trash out there. Go on a mission and help out countires and cultures that are having a difficult time. Ton of missionary things you can do out there. Go feed the poor stray, neglected kitties of the world. Poor little kitties. Go sponsor a child. Personally, i think its time and energy spent making the world a better place. AND - just to be an ass. If we stop buying all these products that are abusing poor human creatures around the world, we might put them out of business. AND WHERE are the poor abused humans going to work? They have to eat and make an income too. Obviously they're working at these crappy places because they havent many choices... ::smiles:: you'll just end up starving more ppl. Yes and go feed the people in India - i heard they are really hungry.

Devilslilsister -> RE: Dark Side Of Valentines Day (2/15/2007 7:38:31 AM)
quote: Stop allowing the government to lead you around by the nosehairs, show them who really runs this country... then start making changes. Jewel......... if only. If only. But to effect such a change like that would take millions and millions of people and the possiblity of getting millions of people to change..... well...... its hard enough just getting one person to change, eh?

asubmissiveheart -> RE: Dark Side Of Valentines Day (2/15/2007 7:41:31 AM)
There is a dark side to just about everything these days, food, the war, global warming, crime. A better question would be, what does not have a dark side?

twicehappy -> RE: Dark Side Of Valentines Day (2/15/2007 7:44:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Devilslilsister God Damn Twice!! Did that take you like 5 hours to input into a post. Donate your TIME. Go adopt a highway. Go clean up the dead animals on the road. Go clean up the trash. Go volunteer at an animal shelter. Go volunteer at a Childrens home. Go do meals on wheels. Go work at a homeless shelter. Go be a big brother/sister. HA - just go pick up all the trash out there. Go on a mission and help out countires and cultures that are having a difficult time. Ton of missionary things you can do out there. Go feed the poor stray, neglected kitties of the world. Poor little kitties. Go sponsor a child. No reward for me, i only copied the list off the site TRO uses to list approved biker sponsored charities. And a big Amen, to your list of things you can do as an individual to help.

ownedgirlie -> RE: Dark Side Of Valentines Day (2/15/2007 7:59:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania Pissdoll is not the only Californian to dislike Walmart Add me to that list.

juliaoceania -> RE: Dark Side Of Valentines Day (2/15/2007 8:02:14 AM)
I think that you think that I expect something from you... the first line of my post quote: This is not a guilt post, it is more to make you aware if you were not already of how there is exploitation with three of the most popular Valentines Day gift traditions so that next year you can make better choices when selecting gifts. If it does not feel good to you to you to be aware of where your money goes, why bother reading, responding, or even contemplating my "suggestion"? As I stated in an earlier post, I do things for people in my community, watching how I spend my money and doing nice things with my time and money are not mutually exclusive (meaning a person can do BOTH) This really is not up for debate as far as I am concerned, either you want to pay attention to where your money goes, or you do not... I am not telling you or anyone else in this world what to do with your money, I am informing. If it does not matter to you, well it doesn't. My world will keep on spinning, as will yours. BTW... you know those people that sue someone over a freakin buck for the principle? I consider this a principle situation. I do not spend my money at places that treat me rudely, have poor customer relations, or have shoddy products... I consider this the same principle. I also do not spend money locally on companies I know treat their employees like shit... it is the principle of the matter. I do not want to give my greenbacks to people and companies I disapprove of. It does not matter to me if it will change anything. That is not really my ultimate objective, my ultimate objective is that I feel good. I am not telling you what makes you feel good. It feels good to me to spread information, or I would not do it. I am no martyr! I do all I do because it feels good and right to me. I feel good about my principles, I would not feel good eating chocolate produced by child slaves, wearing diamonds that funded genocide, and having flowers that some poor woman labored under gruelling circumstances so I can enjoy them. I am not telling you how to feel, I am telling other people how I feel. I thought that this is what the forum was about? If it feels right to give time to charity, do that, but why shit all over what feels good to me? I do not understand that. Have a nice day

asubmissiveheart -> RE: Dark Side Of Valentines Day (2/15/2007 8:07:41 AM)
When you post something on these forums, you are going to have people that agree. You will also have people that disagree. Do not let the fact that someone does not agree with you anger you. If you are that thin skinned and expect everyone to agree with you, then you are going to have a rough road ahead of you. We all have a right to agree and disagree on here, no matter what the topic is.

Devilslilsister -> RE: Dark Side Of Valentines Day (2/15/2007 8:10:01 AM)
i only bothered responding because i didnt like everyone jumping all over Scooter and then Jewel and then Twice. It bothered me, and some of the posts pissed me off. i would of course stooped to name calling and insulting, as i'm already in a pissy mood - but i thought better of it. (and no i'm not directing that at you Julia) i would normally just walk away. As i was expecting something sinister about V day to be in this thread. Like V day isnt really about love, but really some age old thing where back 2000 years ago - everyone in love was slaughtered on this day. ::shrugs:: I would even contemplate further that it was the eygptions doing it...... but alas....... so yeah, i jumped in because i dont like seeing people i like get slammed - even if they can hold their own.

juliaoceania -> RE: Dark Side Of Valentines Day (2/15/2007 8:14:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: asubmissiveheart When you post something on these forums, you are going to have people that agree. You will also have people that disagree. Do not let the fact that someone does not agree with you anger you. If you are that thin skinned and expect everyone to agree with you, then you are going to have a rough road ahead of you. We all have a right to agree and disagree on here, no matter what the topic is. Im not angry, I am perplexed to be completely honest with you.

Devilslilsister -> RE: Dark Side Of Valentines Day (2/15/2007 8:15:55 AM)
quote: m not angry, I am perplexed to be completely honest with you. oh well we all just have our own ways of giving back, thats all. Some people disagree with a certian type of giving back, others dont. ::shrugs:: Some people would find it nuts and crazy to go on a mission and might tell me i'm nuts for even suggesting it.

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