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juliaoceania -> RE: Too prideful to say your safeword? (2/22/2007 9:05:27 AM)

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Why it was just an observation that no one should feel guilty about unless it applies to them, just as I am sure yours was.


You did not quote the statement that led to this one, so now you are guilty of what you bemoan...lol

I am not discussing further with you on this topic, post away being as snarky and as derrogatory as you like toward how other people decide to conduct their dynamics... and then scream foul when they do the same to you... hypocrisy is a rather common human trait.




aSlavesLife -> RE: Too prideful to say your safeword? (2/22/2007 9:18:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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Why it was just an observation that no one should feel guilty about unless it applies to them, just as I am sure yours was.


You did not quote the statement that led to this one, so now you are guilty of what you bemoan...lol

I am not discussing further with you on this topic, post away being as snarky and as derrogatory as you like toward how other people decide to conduct their dynamics... and then scream foul when they do the same to you... hypocrisy is a rather common human trait.


Would that be the same hypocracy that calls someone combative and judgmental, then turns around and tells someone else on another thread that universals paint the person that uses them as not being knowledgeable about what they speak of, claim to not be so arrogant as to know someone feelings, then do an absolute about face in the next sentence and make assumptions as to what that person thinks? Sorry, but that sounds combative, judgmental, arrogant, and hypocritical to me.




juliaoceania -> RE: Too prideful to say your safeword? (2/22/2007 9:19:38 AM)

I never said i was not judgmental or combative or arrogant. I am all of these things[;)]




aSlavesLife -> RE: Too prideful to say your safeword? (2/22/2007 9:23:54 AM)

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

I never said i was not judgmental or combative or arrogant. I am all of these things[;)]


Well then, good call. And what is that word for someone that points out the flaws in others that they too possess? [;)]




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Too prideful to say your safeword? (2/22/2007 9:28:49 AM)

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ORIGINAL: aSlavesLife
Well then, good call. And what is that word for someone that points out the flaws in others that they too possess?

Observant?




aSlavesLife -> RE: Too prideful to say your safeword? (2/22/2007 9:30:12 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

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ORIGINAL: aSlavesLife
Well then, good call. And what is that word for someone that points out the flaws in others that they too possess?

Observant?


LMAO! Not the word I was looking for, but thats a good one too.




juliaoceania -> RE: Too prideful to say your safeword? (2/22/2007 9:37:11 AM)

Hmmmm not a hypocrite, if I claimed not to possess the fault that would make me a hypocrite...I do not believe it is necessarily wrong to be combative, judgmental or arrogant. If I felt it was wrong then that would be hypocritical

I have been hypocritical in my lifetime, I am a human being after all, and one fault I do not possess is being in denial about my flaws... just in this instance I am not being hypocritical.

Back to the topic at hand (even though I said I would not address it, I guess I lied..Ha Ha)
I do not judge how other people run their consensual dynamics as long as they are both consenting and happy. In other words, I do not judge your dynamic...I do not judge those who have no safeword. I do not think they are being unsafe. I quoted sly for his statement about trust. Why put down a couple for having or not having a safeword? And how many times have YOU defended your way of running your dynamic, even when no one was questioning you? Yet I see you here defending someone else in bashing the way others handle their dynamics... that I see as being hypocritcal.




aSlavesLife -> RE: Too prideful to say your safeword? (2/22/2007 9:46:37 AM)

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

Hmmmm not a hypocrite, if I claimed not to possess the fault that would make me a hypocrite...I do not believe it is necessarily wrong to be combative, judgmental or arrogant. If I felt it was wrong then that would be hypocritical

I have been hypocritical in my lifetime, I am a human being after all, and one fault I do not possess is being in denial about my flaws... just in this instance I am not being hypocritical.

Back to the topic at hand (even though I said I would not address it, I guess I lied..Ha Ha)
I do not judge how other people run their consensual dynamics as long as they are both consenting and happy. In other words, I do not judge your dynamic...I do not judge those who have no safeword. I do not think they are being unsafe. I quoted sly for his statement about trust. Why put down a couple for having or not having a safeword? And how many times have YOU defended your way of running your dynamic, even when no one was questioning you? Yet I see you here defending someone else in bashing the way others handle their dynamics... that I see as being hypocritcal.



Ahhh, but you felt that it was bad enough for me to be combative for you to see fit to draw attention to it. And as best I recall, that thread was pretty much a bunch of people judging the OP and her owner's dynamic. I was in that thread defending the owner of said party by pointing out how hypocritical everyone was being. This is when you decided to go on the offensive. So now we get to add holier than thou alongside hypocricy, as you did in that thread to me what you are pointing out that I am doing in this one. But now that you are aware of your own hypocricy, I trust that you will take measures to correct it, again. [:)]




juliaoceania -> RE: Too prideful to say your safeword? (2/22/2007 9:53:46 AM)

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Ahhh, but you felt that it was bad enough for me to be combative for you to see fit to draw attention to it. And as best I recall, that thread was pretty much a bunch of people judging the OP and her owner's dynamic. I was in that thread defending the owner of said party by pointing out how hypocritical everyone was being. This is when you decided to go on the offensive. So now we get to add holier than thou alongside hypocricy, as you did in that thread to me what you are pointing out that I am doing in this one. But now that you are aware of your own hypocricy, I trust that you will take measures to correct it, again. [:)]



If this person's slave had not come to us crying that her master risked her life then I would not have known or cared what happened between them. You see in this situation the master seemingly had an unhappy, unconsenting slave... as was evidenced by her post. If she was happy and consenting I would not have judged their situation... Note above... I said I do not judge dynamics that people are consenting and happy in, all bets are off when people are not consenting and unhappy... I very much judge this!

Hence I said... I do not think there is anything necessarily wrong with being judgmental[;)]




agirl -> RE: Too prideful to say your safeword? (2/22/2007 10:55:15 AM)

If I had a safe-word I'd use it before he even got to within swiping distance half of the time. I'm a classic case of someone that shouldn't be let loose with a safe-word.

Know your victim....lol

agirl




SlyStone -> RE: Too prideful to say your safeword? (2/22/2007 11:18:02 AM)

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ORIGINAL: aSlavesLife
Well then, good call. And what is that word for someone that points out the flaws in others that they too possess?


Observant?
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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

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ORIGINAL: aSlavesLife
Well then, good call. And what is that word for someone that points out the flaws in others that they too possess?

Observant?




Selectively observant





SlyStone -> RE: Too prideful to say your safeword? (2/22/2007 6:34:42 PM)

I cannot trust him to know if I am feeling nauseous. I cannot trust him to know that I am going to faint. I cannot trust him to know my emotional and physical reactions until I tell him what's happening.



So tell him.

I find it hard to believe that during a scene you are in such a state that you are unable to speak more than one single word.

If this is true than I only hope you have a backup safe word just in case you forget your primary safe word in your delirium because apparently if you forget your safe word(s) you are incapable of voicing your distress. And  since you feel your dom is unable to sense your distress, you are in big trouble for sure.

If
you want to have a safe word than have at it , if it gives you a sense of security than enjoy it, just know that your  safe word is not a magic bullet and It will only work if you are with someone you can trust, and it can create a false sense of security if playing with the wrong person.

That is all I am saying.









SlyStone -> RE: Too prideful to say your safeword? (2/22/2007 6:36:46 PM)

Actually I was pointing out his generalizations about trust, and his judgmentalness about safewords, but I have noticed something on the internet, people often do not read what I write, but what they choose to read.



I have read a few of your postings julia, it is hard to miss them as they are seemingly everywhere, and believe me they are full of generalizations and judgment, less than some here and more than others.

In fact just about everything posted to this board is a generalization or an opinion or a judgment, very few facts are offered here.

You apparently define each posting based on whether or not it agrees with your opinion. If it does, it's an opinion. If it does not it's a generalization or a judgment.

And by the way, quantity of postings do not make points, they only show that you have an inordinate amount of time to spend  posting away and generalizing and judging and pontificating to your hearts content.




ownedgirlie -> RE: Too prideful to say your safeword? (2/22/2007 7:17:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: agirl

If I had a safe-word I'd use it before he even got to within swiping distance half of the time. I'm a classic case of someone that shouldn't be let loose with a safe-word.

Know your victim....lol

agirl



Okay this made me laugh, LOL.  Had this vision of you screaming RED!!!! (or whatever it would be) as soon as he walked in the door.  [:D]




agirl -> RE: Too prideful to say your safeword? (2/23/2007 3:12:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

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ORIGINAL: agirl

If I had a safe-word I'd use it before he even got to within swiping distance half of the time. I'm a classic case of someone that shouldn't be let loose with a safe-word.

Know your victim....lol

agirl



Okay this made me laugh, LOL.  Had this vision of you screaming RED!!!! (or whatever it would be) as soon as he walked in the door.  [:D]


You've no idea how close that is to the truth!

M is *ever so slightly* terrifying and even after years I still never know what may happen.

He says a *little apprehension* isn't a bad thing............. but if you're told to *lay still* and have no idea if 10 minutes later you're going to find yourself pierced or branded..........I think *a little terror* is more applicable.

I don't have list of limits.......I have a list of * Daaaaaaamn, that would've been a limit* list........lol

agirl




kinkiminx -> RE: Too prideful to say your safeword? (2/23/2007 4:37:52 AM)

Am I the only person who will admit that the answer is maybe/partly?
If anyone suggests I'm not a proper sub for admitting that, I'll suggest it in advance so you won't have to; I'm probably not, and it doesn't bother me one way or another. [;)]
 
I believe safe words/signals can be useful as they're a quick way of letting a Dom know there's a problem - I've used safe signals when gagged because there's no other easy way of explaining "the rope round my arms is too tight" when you can't speak! I've never used a safeword, mainly because if a Dom has done something which could be putting me in danger or causing damage, my automatic reaction has always been "what the f**k are you doing!!" putting a Dom's pleasure before my own is something I've done many times. Putting my Dom's pleasure, or situation, before my own safety is not something I will ever do. If I'm uncomfortable with a situation or activity, I'll just say so.
 
The maybe/partly, is that I've never used a safeword to say something is too much. It isn't just about "proving how much you can take" at all, (that sounds more like a game than really being to do with pride.) Giving myself over to someone to dominate might be an act of submission I'm happy to give; that shows trust, respect, if you're in a romantic relationship, love. I've noticed a lot of subs here are proud of their submission, and think that's a good thing, for a start, it shows they feel good about themselves, and their Doms.
 
I would never hold back from using a safeword if anyone's safety is at risk, but backing down or begging (as it would feel to me if I used one simply because things were getting a bit more intense than I was used to,) would make me feel like I was being a fake, not being honest and just showing my true self to a Dom. It would also spoil a certain element of things for me, I'm not the subbiest of subs, don't consider myself a "brat" either, but I enjoy a power struggle, and (with the right Dom,) losing that element of things would take a lot out of things.
 
There's a certain element of pride there, because I'm proud to be an individual. I'm proud not to yell out safewords left right and centre because that's just the way I am, and there's no point trying to be anyone else. I'm certainly not self-centred in BDSM, I see things as being about the needs and wants of both partners, whoever the one is who ends up in control. I'm not very service orientated as a sub, but don't need to be to "serve" my Dom, because I'm generally a giving person and will go out of my way to help people out anyway.
 
The one problem with using a safe word straight away instead of pushing yourself on the basis that it's in the hands of the Dom, is that a Dom needs to respect a sub's limits - to push a sub beyond a safeword would destroy any trust a sub has in his/her Dom, and/or render the safeword useless as it's been used in situations where it wasn't yet necessary. I like to keep hold of my safeword, just in case I'm about to keel over and only have time to yell "red!" lol
 
Having a separate safeword and emergency word works for some, but looking at the bit above this still means the safeword isn't really too useful...




ownedgirlie -> RE: Too prideful to say your safeword? (2/23/2007 7:51:18 AM)

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ORIGINAL: agirl


I don't have list of limits.......I have a list of * Daaaaaaamn, that would've been a limit* list........lol



LOL!!! 




lonlyrossInNeed -> RE: Too prideful to say your safeword? (2/23/2007 10:07:54 AM)

I dont think it would be for me to mouch pride to use my Safe word
But i dont use it Becouse i like to see that who i am Playing with or being Considered by is Caring and Protective Enought to see when
It has been to mouch
And to see and know when it is time .
i have been told i love the feel of beaing weak and not being able to stand anymore or not be able to stand alone after a nice Flogging.

ross.g




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