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RE: honesty about sexual orientation - 2/19/2007 9:43:28 AM

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Ok. How could a straight man have sex with another man to please his mistress? Wouldn't he develop a temporary case of erectile dysfunction?

Ah, so only penetration of male penis in male arse constitutes sex? You'd be fine if he only sucked a penis? What about inhaling, ooops, I mean swallowing?

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RE: honesty about sexual orientation - 2/19/2007 9:47:02 AM

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Actually, I wouldn't be fine if he sucked a penis (unless it was a strap on worn by a female). I was just trying to point out why it would be impossible for 2 straight guys to get it on, even to please a woman.

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RE: honesty about sexual orientation - 2/19/2007 9:49:23 AM

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So now it's 2 straight men?

What about sucking a flaccid penis?

Or tossing the salad?

This theory has more holes than troll underwear!

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RE: honesty about sexual orientation - 2/19/2007 10:02:08 AM

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Actually, I wouldn't be fine if he sucked a penis (unless it was a strap on worn by a female). I was just trying to point out why it would be impossible for 2 straight guys to get it on, even to please a woman.

It's fairly obvious that it isn't *impossible* in reality.........but in your mind it is. Now you have to ask yourself where you want to dwell.

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RE: honesty about sexual orientation - 2/19/2007 10:02:09 AM

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You used your disgust of liver as an analogy. Let me also use your disgust of liver. You tried it, you didn't like it, correct? However, by your standards, regardless of whether you liked it or not, you are a liver lover just by trying it.

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*Liver lover* is a gorgeous word combination, by the way.

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I thought it was kind of melodious.

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RE: honesty about sexual orientation - 2/19/2007 10:05:20 AM

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It's the bondage and discipline, dominance and submission. I am willing to push soft limits, just not hard limits.

Do you understand what submission is? I'm not talking about bottoming, but willingly and happily submitting your mind, body, heart and soul to your dominant?

Two of your hard limits you list are face slapping and knife play. So what would you do if your dom had you bound nude on your knees, legs open, hands behind your back. He's been teasing and tormenting you for what seems like hours. Sweet, soft caresses across your breasts bringing sighs of pleasure from your mouth, only to be interrupted by his pinching and twising your nipple until you want to scream from the pain. Stinging blows from his cane followed by soft kisses and low whispers in your ear.

His hands moving over every inch of your body until he finds that tender spot between your legs. His fingers slide between the lips, rubbing and stroking, then sliding inside and out again. When you beg him for more, he responds by slapping that tender place with his riding crop. The soft, sweet touches and the hard, stinging pain, all of it making you wet and throbbing, begging him to take you over the top.

Over and over again, he brings you to the brink with his teasing, taunting and torturing. You are physically, mentally and emotionally exhausted, but you want more. You want that release. You beg him to give you that release. You'll do anything, just please give you that release.....

He stands in front of you now and tells you to look up. Through tear filled eyes you see he's holding a knife. I'm going to cut you now defiant. I'm going to mark you as mine. Your heart is pounding louder and louder. Your body is on fire and begging for release. But you say start crying and saying No No No, I don't want that. Please! Then you feel the sting of his hand on your cheek and it brings you back, but oh god how it made you more wet.

He runs the blade over your aching body. Slowly up your arms, then across your tender, swollen breasts. Up your thigh and down the other. You're terrified, but your body is on fire and every inch of you is throbbing, just aching for him to take you and give you release. The knife moves between your legs and the smooth, coolness across your throbbing clit is about to send you over the edge. His other hand moves between your legs again, and he slides his fingers inside you. You are panting and begging, humping against his hand. His hard whisper in your ear that he's going to mark you as his now, but you can only cum if you tell him it's okay. His fingers moving in and out of your wet, throbbing pussy. His palm rubbing your swollen clit. The knife poised and ready to mark you.

RED! STOP!! PURPLE DINOSAURS!!!! LordMasterDom, I know you read my profile about knives and face slapping being a hard limit and I know you didn't just slap my face and run a knife over my wet throbbing pussy. And don't EVEN get me started on you wanting to mark me as your own even though we've been in a loving, trusting, committed relationship for two years. Untie me this instant!

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RE: honesty about sexual orientation - 2/19/2007 10:08:22 AM

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ummmmm.... I think I might be bi; I just got a little bit cummy reading about that Dom.

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RE: honesty about sexual orientation - 2/19/2007 10:14:09 AM

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Actually, I wouldn't be fine if he sucked a penis (unless it was a strap on worn by a female). I was just trying to point out why it would be impossible for 2 straight guys to get it on, even to please a woman.

You have obviously never been in a sexually charged environment where there are more than you and whomever you are with involved. Eroticism is eroticism regardless of who is engaging. Scents, sounds, temperature all have an effect on arousal. You don't necessarily have to be in agreement about what is going on (the sex act) but that doesn't stop you from becoming aroused. Sometimes our bodies and sub-conscious defy our conscious minds and become aroused at things we may not find particularly pleasing.

When you dominate a man, do you ever push past a limit he has told you he has? Does the act that he performed for you define who he now is? Of course it doesn't. So why does a man that has been obedient suddenly become defined by an act that he has performed or continues to perform for his Mistress?

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RE: honesty about sexual orientation - 2/19/2007 10:20:05 AM

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Do you understand what submission is? I'm not talking about bottoming, but willingly and happily submitting your mind, body, heart and soul to your dominant?

I'm confused- you start with making a point about submission, and then you go into a bdsm scene description that any bottom/sensation slut could enjoy.

Limits are limits, and yes, it knife play was agreed upon as a hard limit, I WOULD do anything physically possible to stop the dumbass from continuing- just as I would if he tried to have sex with me without a condom.

Defiant's problem is suggesting that because someone isn't oriented towards desiring an act, that it MUST be a limit for them (psychologically and physically). This is utterly false.

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RE: honesty about sexual orientation - 2/19/2007 10:20:05 AM

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That's just it. Many male subs haven't come to grips with who they are. Even if they excuse it as ok because they are doing it to please someone else, they are still willing to do it. If a master or mistress told a sub to jump off of a skyscraper and they did it to please their master or mistress, does that mean they weren't suicidal?

Ummm..either I'm missreading what you've written (a distinct possibility) or I didn't express myself well. Yes, if they're willing to be forced, assuming it's consensual and not rape (or murder in your example), then they certainly wanted to do it before. My point was that they haven't yet come to grips with that desire and aren't able to act on it by themselves so they need outward approval of the action to make it ok. That's not a healthy attitude, but you weren't asking about that, you were asking for a reason. There's a reason. LOL

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RE: honesty about sexual orientation - 2/19/2007 10:24:22 AM

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The reason it "should" be a hard limit is simply that if a person was straight, their own sexual orientation would make the deed impossible for them to perform.

And my dear, you have just become one of the "Twue" doms who knows everything about everyone else. Is is lonely up there in perfection?

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RE: honesty about sexual orientation - 2/19/2007 10:25:55 AM

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fava beans?....heck no, you don't need any veggies with a meal like that....just meat and liquer....and katchup...

Ketchup IS a veggie...

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RE: honesty about sexual orientation - 2/19/2007 10:26:30 AM

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naughtangel, damn that was hot!

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RE: honesty about sexual orientation - 2/19/2007 10:27:41 AM

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Ok. How could a straight man have sex with another man to please his mistress? Wouldn't he develop a temporary case of erectile dysfunction?

Nope. Some people get so turned on by the thought of pleasing their mistress that they get it up anyway. *whispers* It's the same way some gay men have kids - they don't look at the face and think about something does turn them on.

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RE: honesty about sexual orientation - 2/19/2007 10:29:33 AM

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Actually, I wouldn't be fine if he sucked a penis (unless it was a strap on worn by a female). I was just trying to point out why it would be impossible for 2 straight guys to get it on, even to please a woman.

And we've pointed out how you are wrong. The penis can be made to get hard A) against the owner of the penis' will and B) it can be gotten hard to please the mistress AND for that matter...

What if their mistress ordered them to receive not give? Then your precious penis theory doesn't matter.

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RE: honesty about sexual orientation - 2/19/2007 10:29:47 AM

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Do you understand what submission is? I'm not talking about bottoming, but willingly and happily submitting your mind, body, heart and soul to your dominant?

I'm confused- you start with making a point about submission, and then you go into a bdsm scene description that any bottom/sensation slut could enjoy.

Limits are limits, and yes, it knife play was agreed upon as a hard limit, I WOULD do anything physically possible to stop the dumbass from continuing- just as I would if he tried to have sex with me without a condom.

Defiant's problem is suggesting that because someone isn't oriented towards desiring an act, that it MUST be a limit for them (psychologically and physically). This is utterly false.

Sorry LA, I was thinking along the lines of what people agree to in the heat of passion or subspace, or simply because they want to please their dominant.

Sub/slaves have often posted that once they chose to submit or were collared that their dominant went straight for a hard limit or pushed them to remove them. And because of the trust in him/her and the depth of his/her submission, they agreed to it.

Maybe I didn't present it very well, but that was my point.

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RE: honesty about sexual orientation - 2/19/2007 10:33:55 AM

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Do you understand what submission is? I'm not talking about bottoming, but willingly and happily submitting your mind, body, heart and soul to your dominant?

I'm confused- you start with making a point about submission, and then you go into a bdsm scene description that any bottom/sensation slut could enjoy.

Limits are limits, and yes, it knife play was agreed upon as a hard limit, I WOULD do anything physically possible to stop the dumbass from continuing- just as I would if he tried to have sex with me without a condom.

Defiant's problem is suggesting that because someone isn't oriented towards desiring an act, that it MUST be a limit for them (psychologically and physically). This is utterly false.

I agree, if someone needs to have bondage or S&M as a limit then they are still a submissive in my mind. Most everyone has a hot button issue that makes them emotionally insecure, that does not mean they are not submissive.

I will say though, if someone has a mile long list of hard limits that seemed designed to choreograph play, I would wonder about that as a dom getting to know them. To me there is a difference between saying "I will not do an activity ever" and saying "I am not sure if I want to do this activity with you ever".

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RE: honesty about sexual orientation - 2/19/2007 10:35:37 AM

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Ok. How could a straight man have sex with another man to please his mistress? Wouldn't he develop a temporary case of erectile dysfunction?

When the prostrate gland is pleasurably stimulated, a straight male will have no problem achieving an erection, no matter what gender the person is who's doing the stimulating.

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RE: honesty about sexual orientation - 2/19/2007 10:39:54 AM

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I accept and understand them very well. I respect their preference and don't try to change them. That doesn't mean I want to be with one. I think anyone has a right to know whether or not someone has engaged in bisexual acts before having sex with them. If these subs would just admit that they are bisexual in their profiles, straight people would know this upfront. People have different sexual orientations........it's not like they have anything to be ashamed of. This applies to me too. If I ever engage in bisexual acts, even if I'm following the orders of a dom, I will change my sexual orientation on my profile to bisexual, I promise.

I believe, very firmly, no you don't understand us. Or at least, you haven't shown us. Since you aren't bisexual, I don't really think you can say that. Unless there is something you aren't telling us.

In my opinion, and the opinion of most the people I know, you don't have the right to know anything except that he has a clean bill of the health. However, you do have the right to say "I won't a submit to you unless you spill the beans".

What continues to astound me is that you don't think it's possible to try it and realize it's not for you. That one encounter makes you a bisexual. To me it's positively insane. After all, one attempt at butt play doesn't make an anal slut.

Trying something once and deciding you don't like it is one thing. I bet many of these straight male subs have done it more than once.

What about the ones that only tried it once?? Are you flipflopping now? I have another question,,,do you ask the males in addition to gender how MANY females they have had sex with? Or does it matter to you if a guy has 7 different women every week, as long as he didn't shag a male for any reason a decade ago?

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RE: honesty about sexual orientation - 2/19/2007 10:48:25 AM

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I still can't believe that 9 pages later, not a single male sub has said bisexual activities are a hard limit. I'm beginning to think I should forget dominating anyone and just become a sub.

By gosh, I think that's the answer...when you are domming a guy, don't ask him to fuck another one....problem solved?????

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