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RE: honesty about sexual orientation - 2/22/2007 12:12:03 AM

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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

I guess I just have problems understanding how someone could do that to themselves. If I was forced non-consentually to have relations with a woman, I'd permanently flip my lid........I'd be in a padded cell seeing pink elephants.

You haven't grasped the main concept here. They are not sexually aroused by doing it. It probably turns them off to be doing it. But it pleases them to be pleasing their master. It is not non-consentual. Just against their sexuality.

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RE: honesty about sexual orientation - 2/22/2007 12:12:58 AM

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DBG, you seem to think that the subs/slaves are being actually, honestly and truely forced-- raped even. For a large percent that is not the case, they just don't mind doing it. For them it isn't that big a deal. Anyone that is a victum of rape would be damaged and that is not the intent of wiitwd or at least not in what it is we do.

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RE: honesty about sexual orientation - 2/22/2007 12:14:50 AM

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We are eating the looser you silly Strumpet! And pushing all your hard limits!

Hmm.... I shall make the sauce then.

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RE: honesty about sexual orientation - 2/22/2007 12:16:06 AM

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LMAO!!!

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RE: honesty about sexual orientation - 2/22/2007 12:19:45 AM

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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

I guess I just have problems understanding how someone could do that to themselves. If I was forced non-consentually to have relations with a woman, I'd permanently flip my lid........I'd be in a padded cell seeing pink elephants.

But I am not saying no-consentually. I said I am straight and would do as I am told because that is what would make my owner happy. His happiness is what is important to me. As I agreed to have a "no limits" relationship with him then it can in no way be seen as non-consentual. I think this is the issue behind all this... You cannot see yourself doing something so you find it impossible to understand that others have a different point of view.

And before you start on about no limits, I am happy to have agreed to no limits with him because I trust him completely and know that he, as he puts it, loves, cherishes, protects but always dominates me. I always know that he would never doing anything to damage me. Why would he? he loves me.

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RE: honesty about sexual orientation - 2/22/2007 12:29:50 AM

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I understand. Guess that's why I'm a switch instead of a slave lol. I can sub or domme, but I never go without hard limits and I don't demand a sub to go without them.

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RE: honesty about sexual orientation - 2/22/2007 12:34:56 AM

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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

I understand. Guess that's why I'm a switch instead of a slave lol. I can sub or domme, but I never go without hard limits and I don't demand a sub to go without them.

Being without limits was not something that was demanded. It was negotiated. Personally I would call you a switch who can bottom or top rather than sub or domme, but that is my opinion only.

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RE: honesty about sexual orientation - 2/22/2007 1:44:42 AM

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Aye Captain, the gold for demo and the claymore for shish-kaboob.

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ORIGINAL: FukinTroll
I was thinking the Gold one... but the claymore will do.... hey... he said Katan's. Your not friggen helping.

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RE: honesty about sexual orientation - 2/22/2007 1:47:14 AM

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I am in agreement with you here, susie.

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ORIGINAL: susie
Being without limits was not something that was demanded. It was negotiated. Personally I would call you a switch who can bottom or top rather than sub or domme, but that is my opinion only.

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RE: honesty about sexual orientation - 2/22/2007 2:21:36 AM

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i am straight. i am NOT bisexual. That i clean a house does not make me a maid. That i mow a lawn does not make me a gardner. That i have performed with same sex does not make me bisexual. Perhaps it's the definition of bisexual that has you confused. A bi-sexual is a person who is sexually aroused, sexually attracted to and finds sexual pleasure in either sex. By definition someone who performs "forced" bisexual acts are NOT bisexual because they are not by nature attracted to same sex. Many women perform with other women just to please their partner and because it makes them more attractive to potential partners but would NEVER seek out other women for sex had they not been prompted to do so.

A 'submissive' who makes it a hard limit to never do anything she/he doesn't enjoy doing isn't a submissive because they will not submit to the control or will of another.

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RE: honesty about sexual orientation - 2/22/2007 3:09:52 AM

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Straight is STRAIGHT!! and engaging in one same sex experience or even several
does NOT make some one bi.
Perhaps it was done out of pure curiosty- perhaps a sub will because her Dom finds it pleaseing to him
No one should have to put some thing like that in a profile that is stupidest thing I have ever heard.

If it matters that freaking much to you- ask them privately
if they tell you No they never have but you find out they did then that is lying.

< Message edited by swtnsparkling -- 2/22/2007 3:19:15 AM >

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RE: honesty about sexual orientation - 2/22/2007 3:23:58 AM

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quote:

michaelOfGeorgia
.every day proves my point about men. all they are interested in is sex, sports and drinking with "The Boys"

If you hate all men /dont associate with men /have no male friends
then how would you know that is all men are interested in?

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RE: honesty about sexual orientation - 2/22/2007 3:26:40 AM

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You hate an entire half of the human species because of one man and you think you don't need counseling?

You know I am thinking. Maybe when mG was a youngin he showed so many
Gay tendencies if freaked dad out thus- dad would beat mG and try to toughen him up to be and act more like a man. That's why he hates men so much. And deathly afraid to admit what he is

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RE: honesty about sexual orientation - 2/22/2007 3:33:16 AM

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This has got to be the strangest thread. DBG, it's quite obvious that you aren't interested in any one else's thoughts on this matter. Well, you go ahead and live in your rigidly, judgmental world. I predict that you are going to be mighty lonely. I cannot imagine anyone who would want to put up with your narrow mindedness. As far as Michael goes, well, you say you want a Mistress...it appears all you really want is someone to validate your world also. Good luck to you both.

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RE: honesty about sexual orientation - 2/22/2007 3:49:10 AM

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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

I guess I just have problems understanding how someone could do that to themselves. If I was forced non-consentually to have relations with a woman, I'd permanently flip my lid........I'd be in a padded cell seeing pink elephants.

But not all submissives feel that way, it is not a hard limit for quite a lot of us. Fine it is a hard limit to you, but do not suppose that your reaction to such an event is universal, just like we have been advising you not to make your definition of what makes a person bisexual a universal definition.

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RE: honesty about sexual orientation - 2/22/2007 3:51:03 AM

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See what happens? I go to bed, and suddenly the thread is somehow back on topic.

Sheesh.

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RE: honesty about sexual orientation - 2/22/2007 4:02:00 AM

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It is just so goddamn disheartenings sometimes, ain't it?

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RE: honesty about sexual orientation - 2/22/2007 4:19:44 AM

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I understand. Guess that's why I'm a switch instead of a slave lol. I can sub or domme, but I never go without hard limits and I don't demand a sub to go without them.

A switch is an orientation, it doesn't have anything to do with limits.

Some people thrive in environments where their limits are tested and expanded or even done away with. Some people need a more open, fluid situation in their relationship. Just because you are stern in your limits and expect any guy you dominate to be the same way, you need to know that not all people approach limits from the same way you do. Also many doms enjoy the challenge of working with a sub's limits and seeing change. Some people require flexibility.

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RE: honesty about sexual orientation - 2/22/2007 5:18:11 AM

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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

If you have no desire to have relations with another woman, why would you go against your own sexual orientation just to please someone else? If I had a fettish for watching two men go at it (which I don't) I would find a bisexual sub. I would be worried that expecting someone to go against their sexual orientation would cause severe psychological damage.

If it worries you, don't involve yourself in it. It's that simple. It's perfectly clear that for many people it doesn't cause *severe psychological damage*.

You don't have to understand it.......just accept that people do it and are fine about it........and steer clear of it yourself.

Sorted.

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RE: honesty about sexual orientation - 2/22/2007 5:21:17 AM

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Normally if someone gets that defensive it means they engage in it themselves.

If we used your logic, we would think that you engage in bisexual acts all of the time because you are very defensive about it.

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