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RE: Mr. Nice Guy is not Mr. Dom? - 2/22/2007 7:21:42 AM   
Celeste43


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The only thing I can say about your profile is that referring to ex girlfriends as lame-o's is a distinct turn off. And saying you want to be president of the 'cool kids club' makes you seem like a nerdy high school student complaining because he isn't popular. Also in that line, you spend half your post here putting down other doms.

None of this demonstrates confidence or trustworthiness or dominance in any way shape or form. You don't make yourself bigger by making other people smaller. Making fun of other people shows you to be insecure. A truly nice guy would be happy with who he is and not bothered by others. He also wouldn't be petty enough to speak badly about his exes. That by itself is a tip off, why would any woman want to risk being your next ex knowing you'll talk about her in the same way you now talk about the one before her.

Take some challenges in your life, run a marathon, go sky diving, learn a new skill, volunteer. Do something that will help you feel as if you are in control of your life instead of it controlling you and therefore you need to control someone else in order to bolster up your ego.

Apologies if this isn't what's going on but it is the way you present yourself.

Typos alas

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RE: Mr. Nice Guy is not Mr. Dom? - 2/22/2007 7:40:49 AM   
Mustardseed


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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

I don't think it matters how you come off. Eventually you will find the sub that is right for you.


I agree.  If your personal picture of yourself as a dominant -- your dom archetype, I guess -- is basically you with rope and a gleeful smile on your face as you do hideously consentual things to the submissive in question, then there's nothing about you to change.  You just have to be patient and open-minded when you find a submissive to whom you appeal.  Who knows?  You may run into the Woody Allen-type situation where you may not want to dominate the sort of submissive who'd want you as a dom.

If, however, you weren't striving to live up to your own ideal image of a dom, not dressing at least appropriately (if not full-blown all out) for kinky events you attend, etc. then you might want to consider revamping how you come off a bit.  However, that's really for you to decide.

My Daddy is a bad man who is sweet to me and alarms most of the rest of society.  He's well spoken and answers or asks questions of senior citizens politely.  He holds doors open.  There are intentionally self-inflicted scars on his body, and not for the sake of bodyart or ritual.  He's very appreciative of damn near everything that catches his attention in a positive way.  He wears black almost all of the time, with boots and a leather vest with patches on it.  His favorite band is the Insane Clown Posse.  He adores dogs, cats and ferrets.  He once pretty much failed an anger management class.  I love this man with all my heart.

At the same time, a friend of mine from years back who we've both been flirting with wears khaki pretty most of the time.  He's stocky, has bright eyes and a good natured smile.  He's highly intelligent, and has a ultimate geek job.  He's there when people need him, as a shoulder to try on or for advice.  Great guy.  Boinked my brains out in a very dominant manner a few months back.  *fans self*  Oh, my.  My, my, my.

I think that if people are looking for immediate, quicky fantasy fulfillment and nothing particularly long-term that would require a meeting of minds, then yeah -- you're probably not going to get much play.  If, however, you're forming friendships first, I think that it might make it easier in the kink community for people to better appreciate your dominant side.  They would no longer have the surface "Nice Guy" image of you, but instead be seeing a more complex person ... who, by extension, could well have a healthy dominant side in there along with the goofy sense of humor and outstanding manners.


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RE: Mr. Nice Guy is not Mr. Dom? - 2/22/2007 7:47:58 AM   
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It is truly astounding sometimes how many women will get involved with slobby dumbass selfish losers and decry those not having that arrogant weasel attitude.

http://www.collarchat.com/m_825792/mpage_1/key_gentleman/tm.htm#825829
Can a dom be a gentleman?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_799563/mpage_1/key_gentleman/tm.htm#799760
what makes a 'real' dom?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_775753/mpage_1/key_gentleman/tm.htm#775760
dominants who show emotions, weakness or vulnerability

http://www.collarchat.com/m_771270/mpage_1/key_gentleman/tm.htm#771630
Does gentle master mean weak?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_668725/mpage_1/key_gentleman/tm.htm#668733
Too polite?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_505491/mpage_1/key_gentleman/tm.htm#505668
Seeking consensus: dominant as gentleman?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_433779/mpage_1/key_gentleman/tm.htm#433966
Master...in slaves' eyes!

http://www.collarchat.com/m_380311/mpage_2/key_gentleman%252Cdom/tm.htm#384513
dom vs gentleman

http://www.collarchat.com/m_266268/mpage_1/key_gentleman%252Cdom/tm.htm#266288
the gentleman dom with feelings

Is the term gentleman dom an oxymoron?

Gentlemen vs nice guy

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RE: Mr. Nice Guy is not Mr. Dom? - 2/22/2007 7:55:39 AM   
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Plenty of subs want nice dominants.  There's a spectrum for that, just as there regarding most other human desires.

Yes, you may be out of the running for subs looking for older Doms, but your profile is interesting and compelling (with the exception of complaining about previous girlfriends, reads as immature no matter what your age), so it may be simply a matter of numbers finding the right sub for you.

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RE: Mr. Nice Guy is not Mr. Dom? - 2/22/2007 8:41:05 AM   
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Stephann, you are correct kinkosphere is not a word just a play on the word blogosphere which is a new word and in our corner of paradise not nearly as specific as our community on the 'sphere' of the net.

'Domly' I put in marks because it isn't a word and while many use it, it is a word loaded with derrogatory meaning.

Smilie is a new word created by these figures we see now all over the net.

Realtime is a word...a computer term upon the advent of main-frame computers in that all file updates or changes were immediate. But, back in the day where D/s was concerned...you are correct because it was called life..or real life.

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RE: Mr. Nice Guy is not Mr. Dom? - 2/22/2007 8:51:42 AM   
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One of the strongest Doms i ever met was a professor, red cross activist, friendly neighbor, give u the shirt off his back kinda guy...but when he looked at me...my legs turned to jello...he still remains the kindest most Dominant men i have even known.  be who you are.

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RE: Mr. Nice Guy is not Mr. Dom? - 2/22/2007 8:53:43 AM   
toservez


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To echo what most have said, you can only be yourself and putting on an act only guarantees you failure.

Are there women who are into asses or over dramatic stereotyped “dominant” behavior of course there are. What percentage of this are women wanting to live in a fantasy based life or women that are truly attracted to this from relative strangers or the health of these women I have no real idea. To say most women are like that is though truly absurd.

Submissive women are going to be attracted to pretty much the exact same things that “regular” women are. Confidence, decisiveness and being comfortable in your own skin will be attractive. Projecting it for dramatic effect for the most part will not be.

Remember you are looking for the right woman not any woman. Those who were not attracted to you might not be confused or delusional but just were not your match. Be grateful. A relationship happens for a reason and cannot be created by debate.



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RE: Mr. Nice Guy is not Mr. Dom? - 2/22/2007 12:47:27 PM   
Kinkypupper


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No in fact I feel that its just the opposite.
Besides "BE YOURSELF"
If you try to be someone you are not, then you will attract people whom you are not compatable with.
Go to local munches, local events, let others see who and what you are and you will tend to attract those whom you fit with.
I do not come across to others as to who and what I am either, My slave definately comes across as a "good down to earth mom/stay at home and make all meals from scratch" type.   Do not get worried that you do not fit " the mold" who ever decided there was a mold anyway :-)

Phil and lilpony



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RE: Mr. Nice Guy is not Mr. Dom? - 2/22/2007 3:50:05 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Stephann

When I was seventeen, it occurred to me that most women really didn't like 'nice' guys.  They claim to, of course, but couldn't seem to find one (the irony, of course, is that the nice guy is the one who usually sits and listens to the woman confess these things.)  Almost without fail, the woman would become involved with a man who was anything but nice.  I certainly wasn't comfortable being the bad guy (though I certainly am now) but the key became clear, that women wanted a man who was confident.  Two months after realizing and focusing on this, I had a gorgeous girlfriend and I've never had trouble romantically.

Dominance is best expressed through confidence.  Women (and men) respect and enjoy people with confidence, yet it's a trait that is rarely (if ever) pointed out.  Talking to a friend, you might speak about a mutual friend about how nice their smile is, how friendly they are, but you never say "and you know?  That's one of the most confident people I've ever met!"  Yet this quality makes the difference between getting a job and being successful in relationships, and absolutely vital for dominants.  Putting yourself in a submissives shoes for a minute, would you want or trust a dominant woman who 'wants' to tell you how bad she wants to tie you up, but doesn't?


 
There is a LOT of truth in these two paragraphs. I couldnt have possibily have explained it better myself and his conclusions are more or less the same ones I have drawn in my own thoughts.
 
Once you focus on the aspect of confidence and work on building it, people's perceptions of you change, particulary women.
 
Being in the culinary buisness still, I have a job where I am exposed to a lot of single waitresses. I mean...a lot lol. I doubt its a coincedence that they started paying a lot more attention to me when I began to improve in my own general lack of confidence.
 
So as I said and as Stephann said even better, learn to be OK with yourself and work on your confidence. Its all in your head anyways. If you think your inferior, then you are inferior, not because you actually ARE inferior, but because you think you are.

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RE: Mr. Nice Guy is not Mr. Dom? - 2/22/2007 4:15:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: JLION

I have heard this from a few females, but I just do not "come off" as a dominant. I'm very nice. I'm very honest. I'm a humanitarian and somewhat of an activist. I have a dry and silly sense of humor. I show confidence. I am completely honest, and I discuss my BDSM fantasies completely openly, but it does not appear to be congruent with my "vanilla lifestyle" and my nice, respectful, and humorous way of interacting with people. Is it important to "come off as a dominant" to attract submissive women in the BDSM lifestyle? Sometimes I just want to say "why don't you strip naked and let me tie you up and find out if I'm really dominant or not".

To be a good dom to attract submissive women, is it required that I be at least 40 years old, have poor taste in fashion, never smile or laugh, have a deep smokers voice, and grow a  thick mustache?  (I am sorry, as this last comment might offend about 90% of the members of collarme.com). Some might say that my  "apology" comment in parentheses after the two smily faces is not a very dominant act as well. Your thoughts on the issue?



I can't say anything for anyone else, but I find it more attractive if someone who is 'the nice guy' is completely Dominant in the bedroom. It means I could go out with my friends and him in a completely vanilla setting and have a blast, but that there'd be no doubt to who was in control...I guess it is a bit different for me, as I am someone who people wouldn't suspect was interested in BDSM either, too nice or ambitious, too independent to be submissive...But, just because I know what I want out of life doesn't take away my desire to surrender control to my partner. With you, just because you are nice and polite and funny doesn't mean you can't be Dominant. Don't let it get to you, there are plenty out there who want what you're offering.

-cp55

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RE: Mr. Nice Guy is not Mr. Dom? - 2/25/2007 12:57:59 AM   
JLION


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First of all I would like to apologize if my profile offended some people. Second of all this is the first time I have heard any complaints about it and I never even thought for a minute there was anything bad in it. I would also like to say:

Ouch! I confess: I was never president of the "cool kids club" in high school, and I am pretty sure we never even had such a club. I must also confess that my ex-girlfriends were not "lame-o". They were actually "rad". But seriously that part of my profile was supposed to be funny, but the humor probably does not reach all audiences. Obviously my comedic skills need a tune-up I have no problem with people in the vanilla world. Please don't make such accusations. Almost every single person I know in the world is Vanilla as far as I can tell.. If I didn't like Vanilla people I would be a very isolated person!

By the way. I really like to make fun of things that I find funny. I always have and I always will! When I am on my deathbed I will probably be making fun of the doctor with the funny mustache. I make fun of others very often, because a lot of people are just so easy to make fun of. I try not to upset people and I keep my jokes clean and fun. People make fun of me, and I take it with good grace! Life is funny! A lot of famous comedians (Jerry Seinfeld, Chris Rock) who are a lot funnier and better at making fun of people than I am are not really thought of as bad, evil, insecure people. But I guess amateur comedians such as myself are.

But honestly, I don't think my profile made fun of anyone at all. And I know for a fact that I didn't intend to. If it came out the wrong way, I sincerely apologize. I actually changed it a few days ago just because I didn't like it. It's also kind of coincidental, but when I first wrote the "cool kid club" joke and "lame-o" I thought it was kind of funny. When I re-read it, I just thought it was not that funny anymore, for no particular reason. 

Also, I don't know where this whole confidence thing comes from. Do you just assume nice guys are not confident people or something? I think there are nice guys who are assertive, honest, and decisive in this world. I don't think I am 100% confident with myself. Outside of Monks, Nuns, Priests, and other exceptional practicioners, there are very few people that are. But I disagree with your assessment of me based on my silly profile. But thanks for sharing it with me anyway.

But ok, serious new question now: This isn't related to BDSM anymore. But is making fun of people really a sign of lack of confidence or insecurity to all of you? I know that it is sometimes. But what if you just genuinely enjoy being a funny person, and sometimes you can't resist a good "zinger" on someone? I'm sure I'll get PLENTY of responses (yeah right).

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ORIGINAL: Celeste43

The only thing I can say about your profile is that referring to ex girlfriends as lame-o's is a distinct turn off. And saying you want to be president of the 'cool kids club' makes you seem like a nerdy high school student complaining because he isn't popular. Also in that line, you spend half your post here putting down other doms.

None of this demonstrates confidence or trustworthiness or dominance in any way shape or form. You don't make yourself bigger by making other people smaller. Making fun of other people shows you to be insecure. A truly nice guy would be happy with who he is and not bothered by others. He also wouldn't be petty enough to speak badly about his exes. That by itself is a tip off, why would any woman want to risk being your next ex knowing you'll talk about her in the same way you now talk about the one before her.

Take some challenges in your life, run a marathon, go sky diving, learn a new skill, volunteer. Do something that will help you feel as if you are in control of your life instead of it controlling you and therefore you need to control someone else in order to bolster up your ego.

Apologies if this isn't what's going on but it is the way you present yourself.

Typos alas

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RE: Mr. Nice Guy is not Mr. Dom? - 2/25/2007 4:20:10 AM   
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Okay...yeah....I can just see the confidence brewing from this post....

quote:

ORIGINAL: JLION

First of all I would like to apologize if my profile offended some people. Second of all this is the first time I have heard any complaints about it and I never even thought for a minute there was anything bad in it. I would also like to say:

Ouch! I confess: I was never president of the "cool kids club" in high school, and I am pretty sure we never even had such a club. I must also confess that my ex-girlfriends were not "lame-o". They were actually "rad". But seriously that part of my profile was supposed to be funny, but the humor probably does not reach all audiences. Obviously my comedic skills need a tune-up I have no problem with people in the vanilla world. Please don't make such accusations. Almost every single person I know in the world is Vanilla as far as I can tell.. If I didn't like Vanilla people I would be a very isolated person!



Why are you apologizing because one person without a sense of humor took your profile the wrong way?

Further more, why are you only responding to this one person who chose to say negative things about you? You have 2 pages worth of good, positive advice pertaining to your problem, but oddly, you chose to go on a long tangent regarding one negative post while not even addressing all the good stuff here.

The profile was meant to be funny. Simple as that. Those of us with a sense of humor can clearly see that. If it was my profile, I wont feal the need to justify every little bit to a stick in the mud.

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By the way. I really like to make fun of things that I find funny. I always have and I always will! When I am on my deathbed I will probably be making fun of the doctor with the funny mustache. I make fun of others very often, because a lot of people are just so easy to make fun of. I try not to upset people and I keep my jokes clean and fun. People make fun of me, and I take it with good grace! Life is funny! A lot of famous comedians (Jerry Seinfeld, Chris Rock) who are a lot funnier and better at making fun of people than I am are not really thought of as bad, evil, insecure people. But I guess amateur comedians such as myself are.



Your not really being funny here. Your using humor to find acceptance and to try and strike back at the person who wounded your ego while masking the wound itself.

The real question, though, is why do you feal the need to find acceptance from a bunch of anonymous people on the Internet in the first place?

quote:



But honestly, I don't think my profile made fun of anyone at all. And I know for a fact that I didn't intend to. If it came out the wrong way, I sincerely apologize. I actually changed it a few days ago just because I didn't like it. It's also kind of coincidental, but when I first wrote the "cool kid club" joke and "lame-o" I thought it was kind of funny. When I re-read it, I just thought it was not that funny anymore, for no particular reason. 



Geez, back on to apologizing for the profile. A second paragraph rewriting everything you said at the beginning of your post, but in a different way. This one person who has something derotagory to say out of a dozen people must be bugging you. How many times did you reread it? Did you sit there, focusing on wrong it was, thinking you were stupid in the first place for making it, and trying to think how you can make it "perfect" so everyone will like it?

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Also, I don't know where this whole confidence thing comes from. Do you just assume nice guys are not confident people or something? I think there are nice guys who are assertive, honest, and decisive in this world. I don't think I am 100% confident with myself. Outside of Monks, Nuns, Priests, and other exceptional practicioners, there are very few people that are. But I disagree with your assessment of me based on my silly profile. But thanks for sharing it with me anyway.



Yeah...I dont really know where this whole confidence thing comes from either.

You stated a problem regarding "not coming of as dominant".

The majority of the people here responded with positive feedback about how not coming off as dominant comes from a lack of confidence. We also shared stories of our own inconfidence and how we improved on that to become better dominants.

Rather than listen to any of that, you focused on the one negative person and took all this as a personal insult towards your own lack of confidence.

And your welcome, but really....does saying thank you really matter since you didnt listen to any of it in the first place?

quote:



But ok, serious new question now: This isn't related to BDSM anymore. But is making fun of people really a sign of lack of confidence or insecurity to all of you? I know that it is sometimes. But what if you just genuinely enjoy being a funny person, and sometimes you can't resist a good "zinger" on someone? I'm sure I'll get PLENTY of responses (yeah right).



Basically, that question translates into "Please tell me I am not inconfident."...which in itself is a pure testament to your own lack of confidence.

You have made it clear that you make fun of other people. By asking that question, you are looking for people to pat you on the back and tell you "No, no your a big boy despite your passive agressive humor."

Which is my answer to your question...there is nothing wrong with being funny or making a few jokes at someone's elses expense. I do it all the time. There is a problem if you are using that humor to be passive agressive, cover up your own insecurities and lack of confidence, or as a way to gain acceptance. People make jokes above their own negatives and it translates into "Ha, ha please laugh at this and overlook how flawed of a person I am"

You seen Fight Club? Edward Norton and Brad Pitt are on the airplane and Brad Pitt remarks on Edward Norton's "sick desperation in his laugh". Edward Nortons humor and laughter was a cry for help to his own loneliness and misery. Much like all your so called humor in this post is nothing more than a mask to cover up your inconfidence.

I have an incredibly high metabolism in addition to a very tall and slender body frame. My own lack of "bulk muscle" has been a source of insecurity for me for a long time. I coped with that insecurity by making endless jokes about my skinny body when I was a young pup. As I grew up and my metabolism slowed down and I became to develop more muscle and finnally began to accept that I was never going to be "buff", the jokes slowly stopped.

I'm sorry because I know this reply is probably gonna be a huge hit in the gut, but thats the point. If you can take this huge hit in the gut and turn it into something positive without writing another post back flaming me and telling me how wrong I am, then you are one step closer to becomming a good dominant. I didnt spend 20 minutes writing this while enjoying my morning coffee because I wanted to shit on you. I have better things to do then make people feal bad about themselves.

Dominance takes confidence...a lot of confidence... and this last post of yours reaks of a lack of it along with tons of insecuties. To own a slave and maintain total power exchange, you have to have enough confidence and acceptance of yourself to end the relationship with a snap of your fingers the minute the slave willfully disobeys you.

So...my orginal adivce still stands...work on yourself. Go out and accomplish something. You'll feal better about yourself, I promise.

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RE: Mr. Nice Guy is not Mr. Dom? - 2/25/2007 7:12:42 AM   
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ORIGINAL: JLION

I have heard this from a few females, but I just do not "come off" as a dominant. I'm very nice. I'm very honest. I'm a humanitarian and somewhat of an activist. I have a dry and silly sense of humor. I show confidence. I am completely honest, and I discuss my BDSM fantasies completely openly, but it does not appear to be congruent with my "vanilla lifestyle" and my nice, respectful, and humorous way of interacting with people. Is it important to "come off as a dominant" to attract submissive women in the BDSM lifestyle? Sometimes I just want to say "why don't you strip naked and let me tie you up and find out if I'm really dominant or not".

To be a good dom to attract submissive women, is it required that I be at least 40 years old, have poor taste in fashion, never smile or laugh, have a deep smokers voice, and grow a thick mustache? (I am sorry, as this last comment might offend about 90% of the members of collarme.com). Some might say that my "apology" comment in parentheses after the two smily faces is not a very dominant act as well. Your thoughts on the issue?



You are completely mixing up domination and personal characteristics. Many Doms have a great sense of humor, my slave and I laugh together all the time. They are good and caring individuals and many subs find these characteristics appealing.

Where you are losing it is, in my opinion, and contrary to your post, you do NOT come off as dominant at all. I also think you have problems showing your confidence. Don't know if you actually have confidence issues, or are simply not showing it. Either way, it is a turnoff.

Another thing, the very first words in your profile are "I apologize". You are shooting yourself in the foot as most women are going to hit the back button right there. Not saying there aren't times when an apology is in order, but it isn't in your profile. There is nothing confident about apologizing for yourself in your first sentence.

I am going to have to disagree with a lot of the other posters so far. I think it is unlikely that you will find a compatible sub being who you are. The good news is being who you are is not some set of standards set in stone. My strongest recommendation for you is to take a course in self-assertiveness. I believe that will teach you examples of how to show your confidence and dominance in ways that will attract submissives.

Telling them "let me show you how dominant I am" does not show dominance. It smacks of desperation. You need to show you are dominant, not say it. Hope you accept this as constructive criticism, as that was my intent. Good luck.

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RE: Mr. Nice Guy is not Mr. Dom? - 2/25/2007 7:44:14 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: JLION

I have heard this from a few females, but I just do not "come off" as a dominant. I'm very nice. I'm very honest. I'm a humanitarian and somewhat of an activist. I have a dry and silly sense of humor. I show confidence. I am completely honest, and I discuss my BDSM fantasies completely openly, but it does not appear to be congruent with my "vanilla lifestyle" and my nice, respectful, and humorous way of interacting with people. Is it important to "come off as a dominant" to attract submissive women in the BDSM lifestyle? Sometimes I just want to say "why don't you strip naked and let me tie you up and find out if I'm really dominant or not".

To be a good dom to attract submissive women, is it required that I be at least 40 years old, have poor taste in fashion, never smile or laugh, have a deep smokers voice, and grow a  thick mustache?  (I am sorry, as this last comment might offend about 90% of the members of collarme.com). Some might say that my  "apology" comment in parentheses after the two smily faces is not a very dominant act as well. Your thoughts on the issue?



Sounds like your humanitarian approach is being mistaken for a compromising one.......time to grab the bull by the horns and tell her, then show her, how it is.



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RE: Mr. Nice Guy is not Mr. Dom? - 2/25/2007 8:09:28 AM   
Searchingmyself


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I may not be a man, but I am a Dominant women but I have a bleeding heart as well lol. I don't care who you are if you are a Dom with feelings that makes you a better Dom. Don't listen to the set in stone persona that people sees a Dom as. 

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RE: Mr. Nice Guy is not Mr. Dom? - 2/25/2007 8:14:18 AM   
Stephann


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Vanilla's an ice cream flavor, right?

For what it's worth, we can only 'read' people the way we imagine they might be, through the net.  Humor is a part of that; either you will get my sense of humor, or you won't.  Hang around awhile, you'll get a chance to see some of my attempts (successful and not) at such.

My first statement isn't very funny.  It could seem very funny, to me, because I really meant to say "The only vanilla in my life, is in my ice cream."   Means I date kinked or BDSM folks exclusively.  In reality, I interact with vanilla folk all the time (I consider someone who is unaware of, or actively chooses not to include, BDSM or D/s elements to be vanilla.)  Any vanilla woman I might date would likely have a predisposition towards traits that I enjoy in a submissive.  I wouldn't expect her to be 'born' kinky with a full leather wardrobe, but the other interests I have and the kind of person I am would very likely cause her to at least be interested in my desires.  If she wasn't, it probably wouldn't work in the long term.

So, yeah, be confident.  People like it.

Stephan

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RE: Mr. Nice Guy is not Mr. Dom? - 2/25/2007 8:22:39 AM   
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OP:  I agree with NorthernGent's comments above. Also, your profile is way too long, and that's just because there is so much apologizing, explaining of negativity, and equivocating. A lot of the little details about your personality, values, etc. would be better expressed and appreciated when you're actually communicating with someone directly. In my opinion, starting your profile narrative with "I apologize..." is not a good move.

Now, if you reply to this with something like "Sorry, Bob, I didn't mean to be so apologetic..."...I'm gonna come right over there and slap you!

Bob 

< Message edited by DesertRat -- 2/25/2007 8:25:06 AM >


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RE: Mr. Nice Guy is not Mr. Dom? - 2/25/2007 8:26:45 AM   
slaveish


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quote:

ORIGINAL: JLION

I have heard this from a few females, but I just do not "come off" as a dominant. I'm very nice. I'm very honest. I'm a humanitarian and somewhat of an activist. I have a dry and silly sense of humor. I show confidence. I am completely honest, and I discuss my BDSM fantasies completely openly, but it does not appear to be congruent with my "vanilla lifestyle" and my nice, respectful, and humorous way of interacting with people. Is it important to "come off as a dominant" to attract submissive women in the BDSM lifestyle?


Good god. I, for one, would not consider a Dom or Master who was not a whole person, who did not have a blended vanilla side. The ones who do not appreciate a man of social grace, intelligence, and wit will get exactly what they are looking for ... and I wish them well.

Just curious, what did you say or do when these little darlings said you do not come off as a Dom? ~arched brow~ The many possible answers have me all atingle. I know how I would have been answered by mine.

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RE: Mr. Nice Guy is not Mr. Dom? - 2/25/2007 9:11:53 AM   
agirl


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I read your profile through, and nope.........doesn't *come off* as dominant to me. But that's just me.

Your looooooong profile hints that you want to be understood , and that it's quite important to you to be taken *the right way.

You waffle, are not succinct and to the point. You appear very into *you*.

You say lots and lots about physical domination; which doesn't take a grand amount of skill.

Overall, I think you speak an awful lot about things that really are better *proven*.

In answer to your *being funny* question......Being funny is a bit like *beauty*......it's in the eye of the beholder. Either you change your tack if no-one's laughing, or get used to hearing the sound of the *slow hand clap*.

agirl



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RE: Mr. Nice Guy is not Mr. Dom? - 2/25/2007 9:19:51 AM   
toservez


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It is very simple negativity repels and being positive is attractive.

A sarcastic or picking on people sense of humor is very difficult to judge from written words and strangers. If you pick on people and it makes them laugh and stop when you clearly do not have an audience then I do not equate that at all with esteem or confidence issues. It is just your humor. If you have to pick on everyone all the time and when they do not care for it or you get this is not the place comments then you very well could have issues and mask them through humor.

Writing humor of the nature that is in the OP refers to is almost an impossible situation. Even if it is well intentioned it still can come off as negative, not serious and just off putting.

Writing is a communication medium and like all the mediums it has different pluses and minuses. The one thing though that you cannot do is to type like you would talk and think that people are getting you, that just does not work.


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