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JLION -> Mr. Nice Guy is not Mr. Dom? (2/21/2007 11:15:38 PM)

I have heard this from a few females, but I just do not "come off" as a dominant. I'm very nice. I'm very honest. I'm a humanitarian and somewhat of an activist. I have a dry and silly sense of humor. I show confidence. I am completely honest, and I discuss my BDSM fantasies completely openly, but it does not appear to be congruent with my "vanilla lifestyle" and my nice, respectful, and humorous way of interacting with people. Is it important to "come off as a dominant" to attract submissive women in the BDSM lifestyle? Sometimes I just want to say "why don't you strip naked and let me tie you up and find out if I'm really dominant or not".

To be a good dom to attract submissive women, is it required that I be at least 40 years old, have poor taste in fashion, never smile or laugh, have a deep smokers voice, and grow a  thick mustache? [:D][;)] (I am sorry, as this last comment might offend about 90% of the members of collarme.com). Some might say that my  "apology" comment in parentheses after the two smily faces is not a very dominant act as well. Your thoughts on the issue?




subnstudent -> RE: Mr. Nice Guy is not Mr. Dom? (2/21/2007 11:30:59 PM)

My thoughts on this issue is you don't appeal to the libido of all the people in this who are looking for a quick f*ck. That's a good thing!

Now, there are plenty of people out there who are looking for more than that, but I have an honest, well-written profile (at least in my eyes) and I haven't gotten much response on mine, either.

Does the fact that I assert my confidence in my writing make me any less submissive? No! But what it does, perhaps, is let the readers of my profile know that I'm a person first and a sub second. I want people to respect me, and to do that I have to prove that I am worth respecting.

Anyway, what the moral to the whole story is, you're better off being honest with yourself and writing what you really want to say. That way, when the person you attract comes, she's a good match for the person you really are.




defiantbadgirl -> RE: Mr. Nice Guy is not Mr. Dom? (2/21/2007 11:31:37 PM)

I'm actually turned off by guys who appear dominant in the way you refer to it. I like the nice guys who care about others and want a combination of vanilla and bdsm. For me, Mr Nice Guy = ideal dom.




AquaticSub -> RE: Mr. Nice Guy is not Mr. Dom? (2/21/2007 11:42:58 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: JLION

I have heard this from a few females, but I just do not "come off" as a dominant. I'm very nice. I'm very honest. I'm a humanitarian and somewhat of an activist. I have a dry and silly sense of humor. I show confidence. I am completely honest, and I discuss my BDSM fantasies completely openly, but it does not appear to be congruent with my "vanilla lifestyle" and my nice, respectful, and humorous way of interacting with people. Is it important to "come off as a dominant" to attract submissive women in the BDSM lifestyle? Sometimes I just want to say "why don't you strip naked and let me tie you up and find out if I'm really dominant or not".

To be a good dom to attract submissive women, is it required that I be at least 40 years old, have poor taste in fashion, never smile or laugh, have a deep smokers voice, and grow a  thick mustache? [:D][;)] (I am sorry, as this last comment might offend about 90% of the members of collarme.com). Some might say that my  "apology" comment in parentheses after the two smily faces is not a very dominant act as well. Your thoughts on the issue?



Yes and no. It's easier to peg a man as a dominant when he acts a certain way. However, I don't think being 40 or having a bad sense of fashion has anything to do with it *Grins* In fact, most of the time when I can tell right away a man is a dominant it's because he is being selfish/self-important/egotistical.

I don't think it matters how you come off. Eventually you will find the sub that is right for you.




sweetnsensual -> RE: Mr. Nice Guy is not Mr. Dom? (2/21/2007 11:43:02 PM)

Okay, I'll admit, some women are attracted to asses.  I can't explain it, myself.  But, there is a time when all women learn you can't really have an ass in a relationship.  Anyway...personally, I'm not attracted to "not nice" men or the characteristics the OP listed.  I like men who laugh, a deep voice can be sexy but not a must--smoking is a turn-off. 

I think one characteristic that makes a Dom shine is the confidence.  I also believe that's the quality women find so sexy in the bad boys.  It's the confidence of knowing who he is, what he can do and the power he can wield.  I think nice is definitely a good thing.  I wouldn't want Mr. Placid as a Dom.  I want reactions and human emotions.  I especially need to know I can affect him.  I can make him smile, laugh, feel proud, feel loved and taken care of and have the desire to do all those things to/for me.




MadRabbit -> RE: Mr. Nice Guy is not Mr. Dom? (2/22/2007 12:30:10 AM)

Some people think I am a confident domly young man.

Others think I am an arrogant young prick.

Some people think I have an "aura" about me.

Others view me as having zero authority and influence.

Some people think I have the potential to be a great Dom.

Others find me to be a joke.

The so called "Aura of Dominance" is really nothing more than an individual perspection of you being an authority figure. People perceive people to be different things so a dominant to one person is a loser asshole to the next.

You just have to be OK with yourself and let your confidence take care of the rest.

The only problem I have found with "being nice" is when it allows a behavior to continue that should have been corrected.

Just my two cents




Focus50 -> RE: Mr. Nice Guy is not Mr. Dom? (2/22/2007 1:57:28 AM)

Mutual D/s attraction has practically zero to do with whether you have and exercise a sense of humour; what either of you do for a living; what other hobbies you each have or whether you're generally a "nice" person or rancid, lying arsehole.  Whatever diverse personalities vanillas have will also be found in BDSMers and in Dominants.
 
And I don't see what this has to do with defining dominance, either!
quote:

ORIGINAL: JLION

Sometimes I just want to say "why don't you strip naked and let me tie you up and find out if I'm really dominant or not".

Most subs will feel selfconsciously submissive around a Dom (esp if she's attracted to him) while fully clothed and not a restraint in sight.  So what is it that you're gonna show them that they shouldn't already be feeling?  Sounds more like an offer to serve their needs and sometimes the line between service Top and submissive gets a little hazy....
 
Focus.




Quivver -> RE: Mr. Nice Guy is not Mr. Dom? (2/22/2007 2:38:20 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: JLION
Sometimes I just want to say "why don't you strip naked and let me tie you up and find out if I'm really dominant or not".


Groan....  if a conversation is that far along that you need to say something like the above, id venture a guess it aint gonna happen.  I've heard this BS before, it reeks of simply sexual domination.  Speaking only for myself of course, but I need more then just sensation in the physical sence. 




Domrob -> RE: Mr. Nice Guy is not Mr. Dom? (2/22/2007 4:42:13 AM)

I am pleased to hear there are sub ladies who go for Mr nice Guy as there Dom but why have they not responded to the writers of  the first two entries on this thread or mine for that matter.

I find more success at events than on line at the moment.




Lashra -> RE: Mr. Nice Guy is not Mr. Dom? (2/22/2007 4:46:04 AM)

Be yourself is the best advice I could offer. Obviously these subs that you've been speaking with are not the one for you. Many of them I am sure are looking for their fantasy Dom.  These relationships are like the vanilla ones, you have to weed through the people and pick the one that best suits you.

~Lashra




hisannabelle -> RE: Mr. Nice Guy is not Mr. Dom? (2/22/2007 5:35:04 AM)

screw them. if they don't want a gentleman, then they're just missing out :P there's someone out there who will be able to appreciate your "domliness" and how your kindness complements it. kindness isn't anymore vanilla or submissive than...well...having a mustache :P




Stephann -> RE: Mr. Nice Guy is not Mr. Dom? (2/22/2007 5:46:37 AM)

Yep, what Lashra said.

Jlion,

When I was a teenager, I fit your description to a T.  I was nice, polite, made silly jokes, and simply oozed 'friendliness.' (stop sniggering, all you folks out there for imagining it!)

When I was 21, I met a Dominatrix at a dance club (I was there with my ex wife, who was Japanese and the Dominatrix in question was half Japanese, hence the meeting.)  She commented to me a few months later, that she thought I was submissive.  I was a little surprised, and asked why?  She said it was because the way I took care of my wife, made sure she felt comfortable, did nice things for her, etc.  At the time, I knew not a thing about D/s, but it didn't click right to me at that moment.  I said "well, yes, but I do those things because I feel responsible for her."

Not too many years later, I came to realize that I felt most comfortable in a relationship, when I was the one setting the expectations of the relationship.  I cared deeply for the women in my life, and was constantly considering their feelings in my actions; from my choice of work, to the meals we'd prepare, to what sort of gift would make us happy for our anniversary (our first anniversary I bought us a water bed, for example.)  What starts getting murky, is when we start identifying the elements of the relationship that imply dominance, and the elements that imply love, friendship, or appreciation for another person.

When I was seventeen, it occurred to me that most women really didn't like 'nice' guys.  They claim to, of course, but couldn't seem to find one (the irony, of course, is that the nice guy is the one who usually sits and listens to the woman confess these things.)  Almost without fail, the woman would become involved with a man who was anything but nice.  I certainly wasn't comfortable being the bad guy (though I certainly am now) but the key became clear, that women wanted a man who was confident.  Two months after realizing and focusing on this, I had a gorgeous girlfriend and I've never had trouble romantically.

Dominance is best expressed through confidence.  Women (and men) respect and enjoy people with confidence, yet it's a trait that is rarely (if ever) pointed out.  Talking to a friend, you might speak about a mutual friend about how nice their smile is, how friendly they are, but you never say "and you know?  That's one of the most confident people I've ever met!"  Yet this quality makes the difference between getting a job and being successful in relationships, and absolutely vital for dominants.  Putting yourself in a submissives shoes for a minute, would you want or trust a dominant woman who 'wants' to tell you how bad she wants to tie you up, but doesn't?

I hope this gives you some perspective, and the best advice was already given; the right submissive/slave/woman for you is out there, and you'll come across her soon enough.

Good luck!

Stephan




SusanofO -> RE: Mr. Nice Guy is not Mr. Dom? (2/22/2007 6:05:15 AM)

Actually, I dumped my last Dominant because he beat me up (severely, and non-consensually). He was very surprised when I prosecuted him for it in court, because in the household in which he grew up, his dad beat up his mom all the time, and it was considered no big deal. It never happened in my house as a child - my dad would have cut off his arm before he beat up my mother - I certainly considered it nowhere near "normal" behavior. I decided I didn't need someone like that in my life - because it was clear to me his attitude was not going to change.

I realize not many Dominants beat up women non-consensually (hopefully, not many do) - but still, that attitude that treating a woman like a piece of dirt is just a normal way to behave does prevail among some. They arent the ones I'd ever be interested in, though.

- Susan




Stephann -> RE: Mr. Nice Guy is not Mr. Dom? (2/22/2007 6:10:01 AM)

Susan,

I dont know if the response was to me directly or just a fast replay, but I agree anyway; no amount of dominance is an excuse for any sort of non-consensual behavior.  No, means no.  Period.  A bully is no more dominant than a baby duck, and at least the duck will grow up one day.

Stephan




Arastella -> RE: Mr. Nice Guy is not Mr. Dom? (2/22/2007 6:15:36 AM)

My personal opinion would be to wait for them to come to you.  Instead of being a cetain way to attract submissives, just be you.  I think it's beautiful that you have the capability of beig a Dom and still being civil, polite, sweet, considerate, and kind.  That's how my Mistress is, and it is so beautiful that She can be both.  Be proud of who you are, and if some submissives don't like it, then they aren't for you.  When I found Mistress, She wasn't even into the lifestyle.  Just think of that.




SusanofO -> RE: Mr. Nice Guy is not Mr. Dom? (2/22/2007 6:16:11 AM)

Stephann: No, it wasn't directed at you(!) Gosh, if you thought so I am sorry. I should have clarified that (I actually only skimmed others' responses on this post, so I will go read yours. I actually confess I didn't read it).

I do realize there are probably many men who are real, honest and nice Dominants who are Dominant and treat women decently, who also maybe grew up in households where a lot of domestic abuse took place.

But that doesn't mean they think it's a great thing to do, just because they grew up in an atmosphere like that. In fact, I know some who behave like perfect gentlemen, maybe because they grew up in a house like that. I also know Dominants who were  actually raised to treat females with some modicum of respect, who still treat them like dirt, instead.

People are responsible for their own behavior, no matter how they were raised. I think if someone is old enough to own a slave or take care of a submissive, they should at least be responsible enough to own their own behavior, too (another reason why beating up women non-consensually doesn't sit well with me - I consider it a far cry from anything that resembles truly "Domly" behavior for that reason).

No - I do know that non-consensual abuse has no place in true Dominant behavior.

Confidence, though, as you mentioned, is something I find very sexy and attractive - and the true Dominants I know always seem to have lots of that.

- Susan 




MrRodgers -> RE: Mr. Nice Guy is not Mr. Dom? (2/22/2007 6:55:05 AM)

You mean nice guys really do come in last ? Yes, here they do and very often but almost completely in the kinkosphere (here and sites like this). I know of what you speak...was told upon venturing into this sphere...Iam not 'domly' (sic) enough and oh...yes, smilies are not dominant. I turn it around and use one of them to just tell them that is the ONLY smilie you are ever going to see from this 'dom.'

Do we all understand there is no such word as dom and thus not a noun ? For that matter, there is no such thing as a 'sub' or subbie either..except for maybe a submarine.

As for dominance being only about the sexual submission: Before the net...how did ones real dominance...really first appear and appeal to a submissive ? I'll tell you...sexually as in sexual appeal first, then in the bedroom...for some of that old-time religion...er realtime.




Stephann -> RE: Mr. Nice Guy is not Mr. Dom? (2/22/2007 7:00:21 AM)

Susan,

no sweat, I figured it was a fast reply.

Mr Rogers,

I also usually avoid abbreviations, but my dictionary tells me kinkosphere, domly, smilie, er, and realtime are also not words.  If folks want to type 'dom' or 'sub' where's the real harm?

Stephan




juliaoceania -> RE: Mr. Nice Guy is not Mr. Dom? (2/22/2007 7:00:43 AM)

My Daddy does things for his community. He is a big tipper. He likes animals. He loves elderly people. He is possibly the most affectionate man I have ever been involved with. He cares about people. He opens doors for me. He likes art and fresh flowers.

Now I he is a very nice guy! He can also reduce me to a puddle by just his tone of voice. He says little things that remind me of who I am to him. He does not want anything between him and my mind, he is possessive in this regard.

Not all doms are distant and cold. From what I have read on cm, many are really incredible and giving people. I would say that you are talking to inexperienced and immature submissives that are still caught up on a fantasy of what a dom "should" be, instead of looking at what attributes make a person worth serving...




LaTigresse -> RE: Mr. Nice Guy is not Mr. Dom? (2/22/2007 7:09:05 AM)

I don't want to come across as bitchy but so what? So you are not SOME women's ideal dominant male.

I have gotten the same sort of BS, I am too nice, not enough of a hardass cold...whatever they expect.....dominant woman. Personally I don't give a flying fig. I am not and neither are you, an actor for someone's fantasy. We owe it to ourselves to be ourselves, the best US we can be. If we concentrate on that then we will attract the one sub/slave that best suites us.

Don't buy into the role thing. My opinion is that if we try to be something we are not, if our hearts are not in it, then we not only end up betraying the other person but even more importantly ourselves.

Yes, you can constantly grow and learn and yes, you will have subtle changes from that, but to try and conform to some fantasy ideal is just wrong. Ultimately it just will not work. You have to just be your own best you and let the ones that don't like it move on to find someone else.




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