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How do I dominate a woman I love? - 2/23/2007 2:22:03 PM   
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How do you find out what your Sub wants with out asking her? I know your not supposed to ask, but how do you know if she wants pain or punishment or humiliation?
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RE: How do I dominate a woman I love? - 2/23/2007 2:31:41 PM   
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I don't know who told you you weren't supposed to ask, but we're not all psychics here in BDSM land.

Of course you ask, you answer, you discuss....that's the only way to find out what your partner likes, wants and needs.  Talking and honest communication is probably the biggest foundation stone of any BDSM relationship, no matter what side of it you are on.

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RE: How do I dominate a woman I love? - 2/23/2007 2:36:28 PM   
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Why not ask? I'm not a mind reader and I don't expect Valyraen to be either. He often has me tell him the things that turn me on. I send him descriptions of fantasies, things that make my blood run hot. Before we started humilation play seriously we talked about it. Also, I've found it's useful to talk about these things afterwards as well. Again, we can't read your mind to see if you enjoyed it and it's nice to be asked how we enjoyed everything (if you are concerned with her enjoyment). Just don't spoil the lovely afterglow!

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RE: How do I dominate a woman I love? - 2/23/2007 2:38:01 PM   
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Well I AM a mind reader and I can tell you that...

...WHAT?  You did all that to him on your FIRST DATE?  OMG!

...anyway...where was I?  Oh...yah.   Just ask her.

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RE: How do I dominate a woman I love? - 2/23/2007 3:36:44 PM   
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i'm curious why you think you're not supposed to ask?  is it something the sub has said or done?  if so, and you let this continue, the relationship is going to have more than it's share of problems (btdt).  the sub needs to realize that Doms are people too. they do not have magical ESP powers.  or maybe you do; but my Master doesn't and so was much happier once i was dissuaded from this idea (thanks LA). 

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RE: How do I dominate a woman I love? - 2/23/2007 4:23:10 PM   
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Well I think the way he asked the question sounded like he thought there would be "the answer" out there and he just hadn't found the right encyclopedia to give it to him.

In usual style, a newbie, upon realizing they can be free to be themselves and do whatever the heck they want- will first and foremost ask around to figure out what the rules are so they are doing it the right way.

We don't have "the answer" but we can each give you "an answer" and in the end you will have to decide what "the answer" is for YOU.

Oh and I'd also say he's got quite a wall of misconceptions to knock down before he can figure that out- why does he think he's not supposed to ask her what she wants or needs?

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RE: How do I dominate a woman I love? - 2/23/2007 4:23:36 PM   
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I might not be a mind reader, but I do tend to be far more perceptive than I probably have a right to be.  Having said that .....

It is always good to know something of your partner's interests.  If you don't 'know', and you can't reasonably 'guess', then there is certainly no harm in asking.  One of the better books talks about the principle of transparency.  The sub should be able to tell you about likes, dislikes, limits, etc.

But still, in a dom/sub relationship, it isn't always about what the sub wants.  Part of the beauty of this type of relationship is the 'friction' that can be caused simply because the dominant partner makes a statement or action that is contrary to what the submissive desires at that moment in time, and the submission or yielding is drawn out.  If there is a purity to the submission, then these moments will not detract from the relationship, but will enhance it.

It's called taking the submission a step deeper.

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RE: How do I dominate a woman I love? - 2/23/2007 4:24:47 PM   
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Of course you ask thats what negotiations are all about. You talk and find out what each others needs, wants, desires and limits are. Start with that and go from there.

You may want to read these they will help:

The Loving Dominant by John Warren   The New Topping Book by Dossie Easton    SM 101: A Realistic Introduction by Jay Wiseman   The New Bottoming Book by Janet W. Hardy

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RE: How do I dominate a woman I love? - 2/23/2007 5:37:33 PM   
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You dominate her by just doing that, It does help tho if you watch her reactions and have a lot of good open talks about what each of you want

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RE: How do I dominate a woman I love? - 2/23/2007 7:13:56 PM   
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How do you find out what your Sub wants with out asking her? I know your not supposed to ask, but how do you know if she wants pain or punishment or humiliation?


Plop her down on your lap and log on to this site. Hit the search button and just type stuff in. Read it together, talk about it, take notes, but most of all talk talk talk!

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RE: How do I dominate a woman I love? - 2/23/2007 7:28:27 PM   
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excuse me if i sound confused.

on Ask Sub/Slave forum you ask "how do you take ownership" and here you ask "How do i dominate a woman" - is she the same woman or do you have a stable?  first you need to figure out who you are as a Dom/Master because it seems you don't know yourself. then you'll figure out how to make this woman your submissive.



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RE: How do I dominate a woman I love? - 2/23/2007 7:36:08 PM   
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One thing is you need to teach her things that she will come to enjoy.   Depending upon her experience, she will enjoy different things.  
I always like nipple clamps and domestic servitude when I was a sub in the beginning. 
As I learned more, I enjoyed  more things.
Sit down with her and make some goals and go from there.  

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RE: How do I dominate a woman I love? - 2/23/2007 8:04:55 PM   
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How do you find out what your Sub wants with out asking her?


How do you know you are compatible if you don't discuss both of your desires?

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RE: How do I dominate a woman I love? - 2/23/2007 11:53:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Butterthemuffin

How do you find out what your Sub wants with out asking her? I know your not supposed to ask, but how do you know if she wants pain or punishment or humiliation?


Right before Christmas I posted a response to the thread "What men wish women would tell them... and WHEN to tell them"; I'll repost that comment here because I think it might help you a little.

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ORIGINAL: losttreasure

... I've almost always appreciated being given direction.  Wanting to please is very much a part of my makeup and I'm very receptive to instructions if they're delivered with a little care.  But it's also been hard for me to learn to speak up about what I'd like.  A good part of the reason has to do with not wanting to feel like I'm controlling, but there's also a worry that my comments might be taken as criticism.  (Men have such fragile egos, don't you know.  ) But in general, there's a very large part that fears exposure and rejection. 

I don't believe I'm too unusual in these respects, so my "holiday gift" to dominants would be to offer the following suggestions when plumbing the depths of your pet's sexual/kinky secrets... be it to pleasure her/him, or yourself. 

(Not to discount any relationship configuration, but I'll be referring to the dominant role as male and the submissive as female from here on out... it's what I'm familiar with.)

1)  Go slowly.  No matter what your level of activity is, take things slowly.  Explore and take time to really learn each others responses... but more important, take time to enjoy where you are at now and at each level before you race off to the next thrill.  Oh, and  don't forget to revisit those levels you've surpassed... just because your sub can now tolerate a stiff beating, it doesn't mean that she can't still enjoy an erotic and "gentle" spanking.

2)  Ask questions.  You don't need to make her feel like she's being interrogated (unless she likes that ), but never assume anything.  Talk to her before, during and after.  Make every effort to really listen to her answers... not only what she says, but how she says it.  Ask her about what she knows and understands about the male body.  Ask what she feels...is she comfortable... is it too rough/not rough enough... what is she thinking... what is she expecting.  Find out everything you can... knowledge is power.

3)  Don't judge.  It may be a soul wrenching confession for her to tell you that she wants x, y, or z.  Treat her openness with respect and care, and you'll only encourage her to become even more transparent to you.

4)  Reassure.  If she's submitted or admitted to something that she's either not sure about or might be embarrassed about (you know this because you've asked - see #2 above), make sure she knows that you are pleased and that she will not be rejected.  Even if it's not perfect, reassure her that her efforts alone have pleased you.

5)  Empathize.  Put yourself in her position... not literally, but consider how things are from her viewpoint and use that information.  If you're wanting the world's best blowjob, expecting her to accomplish that while dealing with the distraction of an uncomfortable position might be asking too much.  Again, it's more information and that is more power. 

6)  Teach.  No one knows your body better than you do.  Share with her what she needs to know (you know what she's lacking because you've asked questions - see #2 above).  Tell her where to touch, and how, and when... and what to expect.  Have a "dom exploration day" where she can learn what pleases you from the top of your head to the toes of your feet.  Once more, knowledge is power and you're giving your sub the power to please you. ("Commanding" a reciprocal "sub exploration day" would be an easy follow-up... after all, you've set the example for what you want to know about her.)

7)  Control intensity.  If you are truly looking to pleasure your submissive, here's where you really need all that information you've gathered (see #2 above) and more.  While a submissive might enjoy a particular activity, it doesn't mean they'll enjoy that same activity at a higher intensity.  There's a huge difference between enjoying something and tolerating it.  Keep asking (see #2 above).

8)  Positively reinforce.  Praise goes a long way toward encouraging the behavior and activities that you want.  If she's pleased you, let her know.  If she does something that knocks your socks off, make damn sure she knows about it.   You'll be glad you did.  

9)  Correct gently.  This is a broad generalization and may not apply to all subs, but submissives have a tendency to be very sensitive... especially when it comes to pleasing their dominant.  Use criticism (even the so-called constructive type) sparingly and avoid it if at all possible.  You've many other tools (see #1 through #8 above) that you can use before resorting to the potential damage that a poorly worded or timed criticism can do.

10)  Timing is everything.  Unfortunately, it's also the one thing that I can't give you a specific answer on.  So much depends upon the activity and what needs to be said.  All I can tell you is that you should never allow an issue to go unresolved for any great period of time... especially if it concerns an activity that has been performed repeatedly.  I promise you that nothing will crush your submissive's spirit faster than to sit her down, after several months and countless blowjobs, to give her instruction on how to please you orally.  All she's going to do is spend the entire time reeling with thoughts that you've "put up" with her inferior performance for all this time, speculating about the dissatisfaction you've felt with her, and wondering what other failings of hers are you simply tolerating.  Not a good thing.


As you might gather from this, nothing could be further from the truth than your understanding that you aren't supposed to ask.  Open and honest communication is probably one of the most important aspects to a D/s relationship... any relationship, really. 

If it bothers you to think of "asking", consider instead that you are requiring and encouraging your sub to be transparent and provide to you information.

Best Wishes,

Treasure

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RE: How do I dominate a woman I love? - 2/24/2007 12:00:48 AM   
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What the hell?

You're not "supposed" to do anything except live your life and be happy.  If you want to ask her what she likes, your secret is safe with me.  I won't expose ya to the Dom Police.

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RE: How do I dominate a woman I love? - 2/24/2007 6:22:39 AM   
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Just give the bitch to me for a week, and I'll tell you what she likes when I'm done with her.

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RE: How do I dominate a woman I love? - 2/24/2007 6:29:58 AM   
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She likes to suck cock, or will when I'm done with her, and it ain't gonna take a week to establish that fact, neither------------


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RE: How do I dominate a woman I love? - 2/24/2007 4:16:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

Oh and I'd also say he's got quite a wall of misconceptions to knock down before he can figure that out- why does he think he's not supposed to ask her what she wants or needs?



Because macho super Doms dont ask...pfft! We just slap them, say "Suck it and like it!" and then thats that.

P.S. Do like I did (and still do to a degree). Knock down your misconceptions, but dont use Collarme.com forums to do it unless you can handle being knocked down as well.



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RE: How do I dominate a woman I love? - 2/24/2007 5:27:29 PM   
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Not supposed to ask?  Says who?  If that is what you wish, you are, afterall, her Dom.  You are ultimately the boss.  Unless she is uncomfortable with you asking what she wants, I see no reason not to.

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RE: How do I dominate a woman I love? - 2/24/2007 10:15:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: proudsub

quote:

How do you find out what your Sub wants with out asking her?


How do you know you are compatible if you don't discuss both of your desires?


How do you know that witches are made of wood if you dont compare how they weigh to ducks?

There is no easy answer.  There is a middle ground between asking for advice and figuring things out
for yourself.  I wish you success in finding it.  I would suggest that what worked for me was to ask more
oblique questions and listen to the down beats in the answers.  It is not that she enjoys being tied up that
is important, it is important that she enjoys being tied up to eye bolts in the kitchen while you both cook
dinner and kiss her mouthfuls of wine while you cook dinner.

As Claude DeBussey said "Music is the space between the notes."

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