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RE: The American Culture - 2/24/2007 7:47:28 AM   
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Vendaval, it's interesting - this from the same country that led the world in the summer of love and gay rights etc. I suppose it's linked to the diversity point.

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RE: The American Culture - 2/24/2007 7:58:41 AM   
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I've been thinking about this and there is the American dream we strive for (life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness for alll, success, unity, generosity, freedom)
 
Then there is the dark side:  Every man for himself, get what you want regardless of the moral cost.then get some more, excess. win at all costs, money rules)


I haven't got the time at the moment to think about this one properly. I'll get back to it later.
My only comment at the moment is that the statements i have underlined are a complete contradiction. How can you pursue  happiness for all yet have the attitude 'every man for himself.' It doesnt work and it doesnt fit.


I was showing the Good and the Dark side.  Some Americans will help you, so long as they have their issues met
first.
 
I have to admit that when the 9/11 attack hit.. I truly did not know why anyone would hit America.  I was raised to see America as God, Mom and Apple pie, the great helper and good guy to the world.  Well. thanks to monkey boy, I learned America is the land of backroom deals, opportunism and lies.
 
I almost feel sorry for the illegal immigrants.  Oh, they will get their amnesty and work visas because employers see a new slave market.

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RE: The American Culture - 2/24/2007 8:04:44 AM   
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Faster and stronger, maybe, but when it comes to innovation, the United States has always been a laggard and slow to change. Differerent nations have always been good at different things: the US has been the master of mass industrialization, economies of scale, turning things out in huge numbers for as low a cost as possible...the Second World War was largely won because of US industrial might. Of course, turning things out in large numbers does not mean its good stuff...or innovative: The P-51 Mustang was nothing until the Brittish fitted it with with the delicately engineered Merlin engine...and none of the US fighters were as sophisticated as the Germans...but in the end, war is won in numbers and not silver bullets. Even at the end of the Cold War, the Soviets had the technological upper hand, but not the $$$ to provide the numbers.


i'm seeing some contradictions here... do you think that industrialization can come without innovation? Industrialization is all about finding new processes, designing new machines to do things more efficiently. The P-38 Lightning was not without its flaws, but it's hard to argue that it wasn't innovative (or that the P-61 night fighter that followed was not advanced); while the early U.S. fighters never matched, say, the FW190, long-range heavy bombers were a key element of battle in the Second World War, and the U.S. forces had no equal there.

Now, if you want to talk numbers over sophistication, the USSR was your big dog- the industrialized Soviet economy excelled in scale. And the Soviet forces died, in almost unfathomable numbers, until the Germans ground to a halt in Stalingrad, and the cumulative effect of Allied bombing on the German production facilities (which, given the size/population disparity between Germany and the U.S., were tremendous) and supply lines led to severe shortages in the materiel of war.

Likewise, the "human wave" attacks of North Korean/Chinese forces generally proved inadequate in the face of technology- if you've got enough .50 Browning ammunition, copper and lead are just as good as silver.

But that's all in the past.

i couldn't see the title of the thread and not be reminded of some words by the good men of Operation Ivy:
American culture
Disneyland freakshow
Screen in your living room
A window for your tomb!
If you can't compare, to the world sitting there
Suppress your insecurities- watch and escape!

With that said, i'll provide the short version- the summary of the American culture is the open road. The freedom of movement, the opportunity to succeed or fail on your own terms, the ability to reinvent until you get it right. Enjoy it while it lasts.

Cheers,

...dave

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RE: The American Culture - 2/24/2007 8:43:23 AM   
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I think of America as an experiment with it's tremendous attributes are equally the apparent dark flaws...Instead of celebrating our diversity we are all to often threatened by it. We are the leader in charitable donations, almost 25% of world wide donations come from the States...but yet we are Isolationists who know little of geography let alone what happens beyond our borders.

We are a people that have treasured the fact that we have the ability to question our government but of late we criticize and shun those that do...and then wonder why and how we have come to the point where we are today?

We hate the idea of the U.N. trying to impose policy on us...But don't question our own leaders.

People here can identify a bald Britney Spears but have no idea where Iraq is even located.

We say we treasure education but our school systems are shit.

We are becoming a Nascar nation....Conservative views....Dislike the idea that there is a "world economy"  which impacts the way we will live. Too many people view their life as remembering the "good ol' days"...and are terrified of change or what must be done to get this country back on the track of prosperity.  We have become complacent and have decided it is easier to not rock the boat then stand up and steer.

But when it is all said and done even with all the problems we have... I would not trade places with anyone else on the planet...I love this country for it's diversity for the way we air our problems out for all to see...That there is hope and there is no other place that offers the opportunities that can be found within our borders...It's a work in progress and like it or not many other countries are banking on the fact that we choose the right course.



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RE: The American Culture - 2/24/2007 8:45:59 AM   
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The United States is a Western European country, grown too large, too strong, too influential ... too fast.


To say the USA is a western European country is a little out of date. I never feel so European as when I am in the States. Europe might be where the US has its roots, it is a completely different culture now in all but superficial ways. I find it increasingly difficult to see the world through a similar prism as Americans appear to see it.

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RE: The American Culture - 2/24/2007 8:52:06 AM   
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Vendaval, it's interesting - this from the same country that led the world in the summer of love and gay rights etc. I suppose it's linked to the diversity point.


France was the first country to decriminalize homosexuality in 1791.

There was quite a lot of  campaigning in Europe, particularly Germany, towards the end of the 19th century.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_rights

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RE: The American Culture - 2/24/2007 9:13:02 AM   
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The American culture isn't about what we wear, eat, watch, drive.....it's about the spirit of understanding that what we take for granted sometimes is still the one thing that we will die for.  Freedom. So the real question isn't ,What is the Amercian culture?'....it's 'what is freedom?'  And BTW....I've been to several other countries....and believe me most people move around in 'busy' mode just as much over 'there' as they do over 'here'. 
Americans are big on the word "Freedom" but I really get the impression its part of a long running Goverment properganda/feel good campaign, because frankly, a hell of alot of countries have freedom as well, but dont celebrate it as a unique aspect of their nation with so much passion, so I never really understood this. I think its a popular word for the goverment to use to try and unify people...in Australia the word is "mateship." In general I am no so sure the US is more "free" than any other western European (and some other) countries.

Too much freedom I believe isnt a good thing anyway: too many times powerful people or companies use the banner of freedom to stomp right over what is decent and propper.

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RE: The American Culture - 2/24/2007 9:32:44 AM   
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i'm seeing some contradictions here... do you think that industrialization can come without innovation? Industrialization is all about finding new processes, designing new machines to do things more efficiently. The P-38 Lightning was not without its flaws, but it's hard to argue that it wasn't innovative (or that the P-61 night fighter that followed was not advanced); while the early U.S. fighters never matched, say, the FW190, long-range heavy bombers were a key element of battle in the Second World War, and the U.S. forces had no equal there.

Now, if you want to talk numbers over sophistication, the USSR was your big dog- the industrialized Soviet economy excelled in scale. And the Soviet forces died, in almost unfathomable numbers, until the Germans ground to a halt in Stalingrad, and the cumulative effect of Allied bombing on the German production facilities (which, given the size/population disparity between Germany and the U.S., were tremendous) and supply lines led to severe shortages in the materiel of war.

Likewise, the "human wave" attacks of North Korean/Chinese forces generally proved inadequate in the face of technology- if you've got enough .50 Browning ammunition, copper and lead are just as good as silver.

But that's all in the past.
Obviously the US isnt devoid of innovation, but talking in a general sence. Besides, large 4 engined heavy bombers in large numbers are not so much of an example of innovation as they are of industrial might...the UK had 4 engined heavies as well...but the Germans were the first to have jet fighters and bombers in action, and had the first stand off missiles in the form of v1 and v2 rockets, and had a whole host of other engineering marvels that couldnt be produced fast enough to have any effect on the war...I am not going to go into all the ones I know, but the Germans really were the high tech leaders right till the end and of course only the Brittish could design something as quirky as the bouncing bomb...or wooden fighters that could be assembled almost overnight (on some nights during the Battle of Brittain the entire RAF fighter force would be destroyed, but the simple nature of the Hurricane and Spitfire meant that these machines could be produced very quickly from the raw materials).

You see the was US, even then, about big factories with production lines turning out bigger machines in more numbers. American engines were big, but lacked performance across the spectrum, so often Brittish engines were used on account of superior supercharging...

The American way isnt bad, its just different. It permeates across the entire culture: Americans eat more food than anyone else, its also not the greatest food going around...

Much of the world looks down upon this, but I see it as a testament to the success of the US as a nation. Consumerisim isnt a bad thing. But like with all nations there is a dark side as well.

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RE: The American Culture - 2/24/2007 9:49:09 AM   
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This thread has the potential of wandering off into several tangents with many of those devolving into the old Left versus Right shouting match. I could write several dozen pages commenting on what I have read here but I will try to restrain myself.

As for culture in terms of art, literature, food, etc., America clearly has it’s cultural roots in Europe, particularly Great Britain, but this has been infused with culture from around the world and then bandied about and experimented with to produce a culture that is both unique and common. For example spaghetti is Italian in origin but spaghetti and meatballs is an American innovation brought about by the then average American’s belief that a meal without meat was no meal at all. Likewise that staple of Chinese food, chop suey, has it’s origins not in China but in Chinese living in America. Bottom line here, just as Americans are a mixed breed (I have a grand nephew who is German-English-Irish-Italian-African and Native American), so is our culture.

What concerns me more is the misunderstanding of such terms as "individualist" and "greed."

The term individualist does not mean self centered. It means a person who takes responsibility for their own life. It means a person who makes their own choices and accepts the consequences (positive or negative) of those choices. Being an individualist does not mean you are a person who doesn’t care about others and takes no interest in their community. Indeed, individualists are often the greatest of givers and philanthropists. They are the ones who help people while government bureaucrats bumble about making matters worse. Look at the aftermath of hurricane Katrina. While government workers spent the time doing little but pointing fingers of blame, thousands of people flocked to the region to lend a helping hand.

I am more concerned with the misunderstanding of the word "greed" which far too many people confuse with the phrase "self interest." Self interest is not greed. Self interest is exactly what it says, looking out for the things that matter most to you: putting food on your (and your loved ones) table. Having a warm bed to sleep in at night. Being able to seek out fun and relaxing activities. Enjoying life. Fulfilling these needs and desires is not greed. I pay my rent (i.e. a warm bed to sleep in at night) by producing advertising for an art gallery. In doing so I exploit no one but rather help others to obtain their need and desires. I help the artists sell their works. I help people who want to decorate their home with art obtain those works. I help newspapers to earn money which in turn helps them to pay their employees and so on. I and all these others are working for our own self interests whether it be a paycheck or having a oil on canvas landscape above the couch and in doing so serve not only our own self interests but the self interests of others.

Greed, on the other hand, is an attempt to secure one’s self interests by cheating others and it is self defeating. In the movie "Wall Street" the Michael Douglass character gives a "greed is good." speech. "Greed works," he says. This is a socialist’s perverted and ignorant view of the free market. Greed does not work. Our art gallery sells mostly original artworks with reproductions clearly labeled as such. The originals cost much more than the reproductions of course but what if we got greedy and decided to pass of the reproductions as originals? It wouldn’t be long before people caught on. Word would spread that we are not to be trusted and we would quickly loose customers and go out of business. This is true of any business subject to the free market. Enron is a perfect example. Some people point to Enron as an example of the failure of capitalism but in fact it is proof of it’s success. The company got greedy and paid the price. Meanwhile, similar companies that did not get greedy are still in business.

Lastly, I want to touch upon the matter of perceptions or rather, false perceptions. I don’t know why but people tend to forget that what they see on the news bears little resemblance to the overall reality. People see in the news the failure of such companies as Enron and Worldcom and thus picture that as the norm for American business. They fail to realize that there are thousands of other companies that are not cheating their customers and employees. We see stories about children being kidnaped, tortured and murdered and (as horrific as these incidents are) tend to overlook the fact that millions of children are not kidnaped, tortured and murdered. Given this, it is easy to understand how someone could get such a perverted and wholly unrealistic view of America such as Rule’s "inherently evil, destructive and ultimately self-destructive."

I know that there will be those who will want to respond with examples and arguments as to why capitalism is evil, destructive, greedy and all that. Quite frankly I have been trying to avoid shouting matches that always degenerate into "you’re stupid!," no! you’re evil!" If I wanted that I’d watch Hannity and Colmes. Instead I’ll recommend a couple of books: "Basic Economics" and "The Vision of the Anointed" by Thomas Sowell. In fact, I recommend any of his works. They are the perfect antidote for such nonsensical drivel put out by the likes of Chomsky and other ignoramuses of his ilk.

Yes, Meatcleaver, that last sentence is a dig at you, but it is a friendly dig.

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RE: The American Culture - 2/24/2007 10:11:16 AM   
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As for innovation in WW2 the U.S. Navy came out with the most successful Fighter plane of the war, the F-6 "Hellcat" which in short order began to decimate the Jap "Zeros" and all other Jap planes with their 6 .50 cal heavy machine guns.
Also the gull winged "Corsair" and of course the Aircraft Carriers to get them around.
And you have to take into consideration the 8,000 mile supply lines in the Pacific and millions of square miles that the battlefield covered. And that means thousands of supply ships, "Liberty Ships."
The war in Europe was small potatos by comparison!
The U.S. (is) a "Eurocentric" country like it or not.
Most of our ancesters came from Europe and from Africa as slaves.
One thing that I would appologise for is the absolute CRAP comming out of "Hollywood."
Terrible "movies"!
And T.V. shows as well. I tried watching that show "24" once. That kid has to be the worst "actor" in Hollywood, I think his father was an actor in "MASH" Sutherland?
All he does is yell and stumbles over wooden lines.
A manequin could act better than him!
The same for that show CSI. Whenever they can't figure something out they push one button on a computer and the answer majgcally appears! And they all live in million dollar condos and drive $100,000 vehicles!
Whenever they come on I pick up the channel changer; "CLICK!"
America is not at all like those movies or t.v. shows! Don't believe any of that shit!
Now we do have great music! The Blues, Jazz, (some) Rock and Roll and of course Country Western!
Not counting "fast food" we do have great food here too.
Nothing like a Texas steak, Maine lobster,Kansas City or Carolina Barbeque, or many many other regional specialties.
And of course we have all the European cuisines that our ancesters brought over with them from "The Old Country!"



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RE: The American Culture - 2/24/2007 10:48:42 AM   
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Americans as immigrants come from many different cultures and social varieties. Unfortunately and moreso everyday...America's culture is one of money.

What dominates our public policies debates, our living affairs and our social capabillties...?...money. And...it is going to get a whole lot worse before it gets better...if it ever gets better...as far as money goes.

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RE: The American Culture - 2/24/2007 10:51:44 AM   
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As for innovation in WW2 the U.S. Navy came out with the most successful Fighter plane of the war, the F-6 "Hellcat" which in short order began to decimate the Jap "Zeros" and all other Jap planes with their 6 .50 cal heavy machine guns.
Also the gull winged "Corsair" and of course the Aircraft Carriers to get them around.
And you have to take into consideration the 8,000 mile supply lines in the Pacific and millions of square miles that the battlefield covered. And that means thousands of supply ships, "Liberty Ships."
The war in Europe was small potatos by comparison!
The U.S. (is) a "Eurocentric" country like it or not.
Most of our ancesters came from Europe and from Africa as slaves.


The War in Europe was small potatoes for the US because it was almost over before you where in it.

Compare the casualties. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think the US lost more troops in Europe than the Pacific. The USSR and Germany alone lost 16,000,000 military and that's not including civilians of any type. Some picnic.

As for the best planes, this guy seems to have thought about it. http://www.chuckhawks.com/best_fighter_planes.htm

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RE: The American Culture - 2/24/2007 11:01:54 AM   
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MONEY
Americans as immigrants come from many different cultures and social varieties. Unfortunately and moreso everyday...America's culture is one of money.

What dominates our public policies debates, our living affairs and our social capabillties...?...money. And...it is going to get a whole lot worse before it gets better...if it ever gets better...as far as money goes.


I think this comes from the very inception of the US when paying tax was used as a propaganda weapon against the Brits when just about no one in the colonies paid tax to the British. The reason tax came up was because Britain bankrupted itself defending the colonies and supporting a huge trade gap with the colonies. It was thought only natural by the Brits that the colonies should pay something towards their defence, up to the war of independence thay had paid nothing. This desire not to pay any tax was an infection of the 18th century rich, whether American colonists or Europeans. I'm sure that due to tax being used as a propaganda and an agitation weapon, the aversion to paying tax and counting everything in money ('knowing the cost of everything and the value of nothing' to quite Oscar Wilde), is the reason it is deeply embedded in the American psyche

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RE: The American Culture - 2/24/2007 11:54:00 AM   
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Meat, you are purposefully distorting what the American Revolution and its propaganda was about.  "No taxation with out representation", is a far cry from we don't want to pay taxes.  You are distorting it for some reason.   America does have a historic tie to Europe, but our culture has always been more open and mixed.  Rock and Roll is the penultimate example of it.  We studied the models of the Indegenous people, the Europeons, and history in forming our system of Government.   America is the greatest ethnic melting pot in history.  It is often pointed out that we don't really speak "English", and that is true.  Massive populations speak varying ethnic dialects or languages.  Many of our Cities and Rivers still hold their ancient names.   Ntive tribal lands exist in just about every state.   Many of us see America as a string of events increasing peoples freedom, rights, and qualtiy of life---working towards the visions of our founding documents.  We have a horrible history, but so does everyone. 

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RE: The American Culture - 2/24/2007 12:13:41 PM   
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Meat, you are purposefully distorting what the American Revolution and its propaganda was about.  "No taxation with out representation", is a far cry from we don't want to pay taxes.


There has been quite a few threads started on CM complaining about paying tax and the American rich pay very little tax. It is certainly a central theme in American politics. Though it seems to be in Britain too but sadly Britain does share much of the American vision of economics and pays the social consequences for it too.

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America does have a historic tie to Europe, but our culture has always been more open and mixed. 


I never said it doesn't but it is on a divergent path, maybe less so with Britain because of a shared language and shared vision of the world (at least shared by the British establishment) than with much of Europe.

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RE: The American Culture - 2/24/2007 1:05:53 PM   
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The problem I have with the original topic "The American Culture" is that I think America is a vast panoply of diverse cultures which are forced into close proximity with each other.

California, where I live, has a unique culture which dates back to a number of aspects including (but not limited to) gold rush immigration, latin american heritage, port towns, Asian immigration, etc.  My own ancestors homesteaded on the central coast in 1978. Over the years, California has diverged from being derived from any specific cultural impact due to any number of factors. 

For example, I live near the Los Angeles Harbor.  Were I live is heavily influenced by the liberalism which results somewhat from the influence of labor unions.  The placement of major Aerospace corporations during the cold war.  But I can drive 25 miles south (behind the Orange Curtain) and enter a heavily conservative / Republican area.

A friend in Chicago once told a bunch of mutual people that he was going to California.  He was asked repeatedly if we were going to hook up when he was out here.  People dont realize that this state is 800 or so miles from one end to the other, and several hundred miles wide.  I was out near Barstow, he was going to San Francisco.  A short drive of 300+ miles.  I can drive to Silicone Valley and encounter people whose political and cultural views I consider almost alien.  I can drive to Hollyweird and discover a world filled with people who probably consider my political and cultural views to be almost alien.

I dont think there is much of a cultural connection between where I live and, say, Texas, New Orleans, Montana, or Rhode Island.  There are a lot of media messages which suggest that we are all one culture, but I think this is true more on TV and in movies, than having an extant reality of it's own.

Just me, etc.

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RE: The American Culture - 2/24/2007 2:21:41 PM   
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Taxation is a central theme in virtually every government that has ever existed.  I was refering to the time of the revolution and the propaganda then.  And the Slogan was  "No taxation with out representation"  not " We dont want to pay any taxes"

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RE: The American Culture - 2/24/2007 2:24:14 PM   
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The problem I have with the original topic "The American Culture" is that I think America is a vast panoply of diverse cultures which are forced into close proximity with each other.

California, where I live, has a unique culture which dates back to a number of aspects including (but not limited to) gold rush immigration, latin american heritage, port towns, Asian immigration, etc.  My own ancestors homesteaded on the central coast in 1978. Over the years, California has diverged from being derived from any specific cultural impact due to any number of factors. 

For example, I live near the Los Angeles Harbor.  Were I live is heavily influenced by the liberalism which results somewhat from the influence of labor unions.  The placement of major Aerospace corporations during the cold war.  But I can drive 25 miles south (behind the Orange Curtain) and enter a heavily conservative / Republican area.

A friend in Chicago once told a bunch of mutual people that he was going to California.  He was asked repeatedly if we were going to hook up when he was out here.  People dont realize that this state is 800 or so miles from one end to the other, and several hundred miles wide.  I was out near Barstow, he was going to San Francisco.  A short drive of 300+ miles.  I can drive to Silicone Valley and encounter people whose political and cultural views I consider almost alien.  I can drive to Hollyweird and discover a world filled with people who probably consider my political and cultural views to be almost alien.

I dont think there is much of a cultural connection between where I live and, say, Texas, New Orleans, Montana, or Rhode Island.  There are a lot of media messages which suggest that we are all one culture, but I think this is true more on TV and in movies, than having an extant reality of it's own.

Just me, etc.

Sinergy


Uh, that should be homesteaded in 1878.

And I cant edit it any more :(

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RE: The American Culture - 2/24/2007 3:00:05 PM   
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Views from a Brit.

NB: I've tried not to be anti-american, but I seriously couldn't think of any good points.

Education system is awful beyond belief....and because of this so is the level of ignorance.
Seem to just accept, beyond moaning a bit, ridiculous actions/performances by the govt.
Race is a big issue.....big big issue....you guys are still talking about when slavery was about.
A large percentage of the population seem to be constantly living from paycheck to paycheck....also a digustingly large number of people living in poverty/homeless.
Extremely low economic mobility considering how much the average american seems to think they have.
Big usa cities consider themselves tolerant but are in reality only tolerant of big usa city values.
Everything I hear suggests to me that the police are scum.
Ridiculous lawsuits.
I have thought of something positive to say.....optimism, very optimistic outlook.
California seems to have a very separate culture to the rest.....although there are variations all over the place of course. Cali seems to really stand out.

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Views from a Brit.

NB: I've tried not to be anti-American, but I seriously couldn't think of any good points.

Education system is awful beyond belief....and because of this so is the level of ignorance.
Seem to just accept, beyond moaning a bit, ridiculous actions/performances by the govt.
Race is a big issue.....big big issue....you guys are still talking about when slavery was about.
A large percentage of the population seem to be constantly living from paycheck to paycheck....also a disgustingly large number of people living in poverty/homeless.
Extremely low economic mobility considering how much the average American seems to think they have.
Big USA cities consider themselves tolerant but are in reality only tolerant of big USA city values.
Everything I hear suggests to me that the police are scum.
Ridiculous lawsuits.
I have thought of something positive to say.....optimism, very optimistic outlook.
California seems to have a very separate culture to the rest.....although there are variations all over the place of course. Cali seems to really stand out.


I agree with your points.  One prime example of how we treat our own is our one and only Oprah. She sets up a school for the underprivileged children in Africa.. then does a show about poverty and squaller just 40 miles from her studio in Chicago.  Did she offer to help THEM?  No, but she did manage to look very, very concerned.
 
Yes, America was settled by immigrants.  They worked TOGETHER.. learned a common language.  They didn't have to give up their culture.. they blended it. 
 
Our education system is down the tubes because of PC-ness.  We have the "no child left behind" program.  I'm sorry, but I've talked to teachers that are very frustrated.  Some kids don't want  to learn.. others are just plain too stupid.. So what does good old USA do?  We stop giving grades and settle for satisfactory or unsatisfactory.. and to not hurt their feelings.  We simplify tests or grade on a curve.
 
Now we don't even dare to try to establish a national language.. we just set everyone come and set up their individual barrios to where desperation becomes so great the quickest way to get money is through drugs, prostitution, or violent crime.
 
Then we have those that feel if they keep breeding kid after kid.. they eventually will "take over".  And do what with it?  They haven't learned anything beyond where they came from.. so how will things improve?  Some people here don't realize it's safe to flush toilet paper after they use it and toss it in the trashcan instead.
 
The average American is willing to sacrifice and give you the shirt off their back.  People opened their homes and hearts to the Katrina victims.. and even then,.. they were ripped off by their own.  After 9/11.. there were so many scams claiming they were traumatized by what happened. 



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