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Fininacial Dommes - 3/21/2005 7:48:21 AM   
DublinSwitch


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Hi,

First off love this site, think it really really rocks. Having said that this is my first post and it is a bit of a gripe...

What is it with all the 'financial dommes' around here? I have to admit I find it something of a turn-off - and as offensive as some might find it - I really think these people are taking advantage of people, and as this is a free site, of this site.

Having said that - has anyone had positive experiences? If so I will accept that I am mistaken about this, but it was just something that I kept noticing

Cheers

DC
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RE: Fininacial Dommes - 3/21/2005 8:21:23 AM   
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Do you mean financial Domme or Pro Domme. One is a fetish, the other is a profession. There is a great difference between the two.

This is a free site. If you're seeing an inordinant amount of people asking for money for just about nothing, it is because they feel there is an off chance that some fool will pay it. Financial Domination is the one fetish where the Domme outweigh the subs. I feel, however, that there are very few true financial Domme. Most are oppurtunists. *shurgs* Deal with it or go join a pay site.

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RE: Fininacial Dommes - 3/21/2005 8:35:19 AM   
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Hi BeachMystress,

Well the fact that this is a free site is the bit that is annoying me - if these people do wish to 'adertise' themselves I think that the least they should do is pay someone for the advertising space.

Thanks for the reply by the way, and for the explanation, but I am still trying to figure out which is a 'fetish and which is a 'profession'.

Personally I would always at the least offer to pay for meals, toys or any other bits and bobs that a Mistress would like - but the same would be true of a vanilla style 'girlfriend'. I know that some ladies think this is kind of degrading or something, but I enjoy the act of giving - not, let me stress when it is demanded though.

I assume you mean the number of Financial Dommes outweigh the number of subs when you write 'Financial Domination is the one fetish where the Domme outweigh the subs'...which is why I guess some subs are will to pay these people.

In terms of 'dealing with it or joning another site' - well thats a fair point. I was just making a point, and it is not so annoying that I will leave this site. Having said all that I am still interested in hearing from anyone who has entered this sort of relationship.

DS

PS - apologies for the shocking typo in the header of this thread....first word of my first post and I botch it up...not sure whether to laugh or, well laugh a lot I guess:)

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RE: Fininacial Dommes - 3/21/2005 9:18:39 AM   
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I'm going to be a brat.

Do a forum search on this and you will get more information than you could possibly want.

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RE: Fininacial Dommes - 3/21/2005 9:33:20 AM   
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Laugh about the typo. We all do it at times.

I do agree with you about the people who take advantage of a free site to advertise to make money for themselves. I find it tacky at the best. While the site is free, they still have bandwidth charges and expenses. They should NOT be footing the bill of people who are here to make money. I truly feel that anyone requesting money, be it financial Domination or Pro Domination should pay to place their ad, even if it is a nominal fee. Five dollars a month would cut down on the number of ads placed just because people can, and it would help out with the bandwidth. People who are using the service for profit should be putting back into the site. Any who do not are taking advantage of the site and it's owners who are trying to give something back to the community.

Pro Domination is when you pay a woman (or man) to Dominate you. This is a pure monetary transaction. You are paying for her expertise and contributing to the upkeep of her dungeon and toys. It is a nececary service since many lifestyle Domme are not willing to deal with married subs and some subs do not have the interest level to keep a lifestyle Domme. Some only feel the need to submit once a month. Most lifestyle Domme expect a lot more than that or they consider it a user relationship. Pro Domme have a reputation and you should check the reputation of any Pro before visiting them. Not everyone who claims to be a Pro is worthy of that title. Pro implies that they have a level of skill. A Pro should be able to tell you where she learned each skill, be willing to provide references and such. I've run into a lot of guys who have met "pros" on this site who turned out to be women with no experience but were asking for money to play with a guy. Tip offs that you should be warry of a "Pro": they do not work out of a dungeon and insist that you pay for a hotel or that you meet in one of your homes - they could still be a real Pro, but it sends up red flags, they do not have a selection of toys -part of being a Pro is providing the tools used on the submissive, they have less than several years of experience in real time Domination - you don't learn skills overnight.

Financial Domination is when the Dominant controls the money of the sub. It also includes men who want to pay a woman for the pleasure of her company. There are people who find this a sexual or power turn on. I know of one Domme who pays her subs for the pleasure of thier company, because she says that by paying them, she has the right to do whatever the hell she pleases to them. That is a bit of an odd twist, but it still comes under this heading because it is a fetish involving money. That is the crux.. it is money used in a sexual/power dynamic. It should be a turn on for both people involved.

And yes, there are far more women who want to be financial Domme than men who want to be financial subs. I consider most of the Domme in the financial Domination realm to be there to make a buck, rather than having a true fetish about it.

I do agree that a sub should bring something to the relationship financially even in a lifestyle relationship. Because I have a wagonload of toys, I was constantly having subs want to play with me to try out X or Y. I'd tell them fine, buy it for me and I'll use it on you. I am not willing to foot the bill for the wear and tear on MY toys because someone else wants to try it out. It got to the point of being so prevalent that subs just wanted to use me for my toys, that I'd tell a sub I wanted him to provide ALL toys to be used on him the first few sessions. I was shocked at the number of men who called me a pro in disguise because I wanted them to contribute to the relationship. I didn't care what they brought or WHO ended up with the toys, just that mine were not being worn out playing with some jerk who was using me as a service top. Since that did not fully take care of the "subs" trying to use me as a service top, I started requiring that they contribute a toy from my wishlist to my collection the first time we played. The items on my wishlist range from $18 to $200, and they were free to choose what they wanted. That item would be used on them, so I told them to choose well. I never required another gift of any type from the sub, (although if he didn't show up with something on my birthday, heaven help him. That is true of any relationship though. *grins*)

For some reason, many subs seem to think that the offer of their body is enough to make us want to play with them. We are women. We are not driven by the need to have sex with anything that moves. You have to bring more to the table. For me, what I want brought to the table over the long term is love and devotion. What others seek differers. All relationships are a transaction of sorts. I feel MadameDahlia did a good job of explaining it in http://www.collarme.com/forum/m_68580/mpage_1/key_transaction/tm.htm#68899

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RE: Fininacial Dommes - 3/21/2005 10:41:17 AM   
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Be glad they are up front about what they are looking for and not deceptive about it. This way you can make your own decision about contacting or not contacting.

It is about choices, if submissives are looking for that sort of relationship, they can choose to respond or not. The Dommes who are identifying as financial Dommes can continue to do so, or, if they receive no replies over a long period of time can choose to rethink their approach.

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RE: Fininacial Dommes - 3/21/2005 10:58:28 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DublinSwitch
Well the fact that this is a free site is the bit that is annoying me - if these people do wish to 'adertise' themselves I think that the least they should do is pay someone for the advertising space.


Actually I think this site discourages financial dommes who are online only. But I wonder if these dommes are contacting you and making a pitch? Or are you annoyed by the profiles you are reading?

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RE: Fininacial Dommes - 3/21/2005 11:02:37 AM   
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I'm going to play devils advocate here...lol. If someone wants to serve someone, whether it be by fetching their slippers or by financially supporting them, its between them and their partner(s). While I personally wouldn't give anyone asking for money as much as my attention, (well...maybe my owner I would financially support if he asked it of me...<giggling>), I am all for people making their own choices in this. As BeachMystress said...it is a fetish...much like any other. I don't think that the fact that this is a free site has anything to do with it and frankly, unless you choose to involve yourself in either being the payee or the payor, it has nothing to do with you either


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RE: Fininacial Dommes - 3/21/2005 11:08:42 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: BeachMystress


Financial Domination is the one fetish where the Domme outweigh the subs.


Now that really cracked me up.



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RE: Fininacial Dommes - 3/21/2005 11:27:47 AM   
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Hi there, Dublin , and welcome!
I make it clear in My profile that I do seek lifestyle relationships. But I am also a part time Pro.
I do not want to do this full time. I really think it would take the fun out of it for Me. I don't allow the client to control the dynamic, but if W/we are of like interests, and I feel good about him, I will arrange a Pro session. Most of these boys are married or don't want to invest the time in a more emotional relationship. The bad side to being a Pro is that I may not be in the mood or feel well the day of the session. But I have made a committment and I will follow through (with a smile). That is the price I may pay for offering Pro services.
It is important for you to understand that, free site or not, it is permissable to advertise Pro services. It is also permissable to say you are a Financial Domme. If the boy is contacted by such DOmme (I don't think they are really Dominas, Myself) and they pay, so be it. There are boys who reallly enjoy this style of Domination. Mine is not to reason why. And I have been gifted out of the blue, for no reason. Why would I turn it away? I will never tell a boy he has to pay to meet Me, or write to Me. I think that is silly. But it is the boy who wants to meet Me, so he does pick up the tab for lunch or dinner.
Even with all My efforts, I still get the boys over and over who think that offering their bodies for play is a fair exchange. I might as well just date vanilla then. Because all it ends up being is "I took you out, and now I know I don't want intercourse, but I do expect you to put the clothespins on my cock, and get out the tens unit." I need a bit more than that.
That is My take.
Good luck and hope to see you around the boards!

< Message edited by GoddessDustyGold -- 3/21/2005 11:29:23 AM >


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RE: Fininacial Dommes - 3/21/2005 6:05:51 PM   
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There's nothing wrong with a women who can support her self. I find it to be an attractive trait myself. As a male it's not like you can't pay for things and spoil her with gifts ecetra. Infact my pet makes more money than me. But I make her put her money into savings while I pay for most of the stuff.

No matter who I'm with, I like the idea of nowing that they'll be ok if the relationship didn't workout or if something happend to me.

Don't worry about finances. If you are going to send a message to someone you can tell them what you want and are willing to do with your money and what you expect from her purse.
Aggreements can always be made.

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RE: Fininacial Dommes - 3/22/2005 1:38:03 AM   
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Well all the replies were interesting and I have taken the advice of the brat (hate it when brats are right grrr) and gone and checked out some other threads on the boards.

In terms of financial domination - I can now understand that this is a genuine fetish. However I do think it is one that is wide open to abuse.

Also I have never had any gripe against 'Pro Dommes' - its a service that people need and a service that others are willing to pay for.

I strongly believe that people making money from the site (and I suspect that some of the people with profiles up are here solely for that purpose), should contribute financially towards the cost of running the site. Even if its just buying a book from the amazon link or whatever.

And finally as someone pointed out, it is probably a good thing that at least these people are being honest about wanting some sort of financial gain in return for Domming someone.

Having said that I don't think asking subs to buy toys is a financial gain - a sub should be willing to either bring some of there own toys to a scene, or if they don't have any go and buy some / bring the Dom/me out to dinner / bring a bottle of wine or whatever. Same as if someone offered to cook dinner for you - decent thing to ask is can I bring desert / a starter - at the very least turn up with a decent bottle of wine! Only good manners.

Anyways thanks for all your help

Regards

DS

Still no replies from anyone that has actually entered into one of these relationships ('online financial dominance' rather than the fetish 'financial dominance)? Anyone care to share experiences of it?

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