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Electric Training Collars? - 2/26/2007 7:34:48 AM

Plethora22

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I'm just curious if anyone has first hand experience with them. My mistress and I are thinking of getting one, and have been seeking out whatever information we can find on the web. It seems that there aren't any specifically designed for the BDSM community and even the various fetish websites simply sell the ones designed for dogs, which made me wary at first, but I have since read numerous pages explaining that they are perfectly safe for people as well. (My mistress even suggested that viewing the dog training video that comes with most of them could be fun in its own right, hehe).

Anyway, the point is I really have no idea how I should choose between the many options that are available. None of them list any of the statistics I'd really like to see such as battery life or voltage or even any real measure of strength besides those meant for a "small dog" or for a "big dog".

Anyway, any help would be greatly appreciated! :)

-Charlie

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RE: Electric Training Collars? - 2/26/2007 7:39:13 AM

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well, the twenty five dollar ones need help to shock

Them ones that run 250 with infinite setting and some distance are pretty much the cadillac, you can punch button the shock.

The thing is, it isn't comfortable, none of them.

But, they won't kill you. Unless she beans you with the remote.

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RE: Electric Training Collars? - 2/26/2007 7:55:07 AM

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Personally, I am more concerned with heart problems. As these can go undetected, the chance of altering heart rythm is not unheard of. Only a few days ago, a member of the Broncos dropped dead from an undetected heart condition. And all he was doing was getting out of a limo and walking up to his front door.

Just be careful and be safe. In addition to severe pain, other immediate effects from a shock collar can include loss of muscle control, nausea, convulsions, fainting and involuntary defecation and urination.

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RE: Electric Training Collars? - 2/26/2007 8:00:56 AM

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if this is something u really want to do i would go for a big one since i suppose its on bodyweight. but i would never consider using a shock collar on a dog, so definitely wouldn't use one on a human

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RE: Electric Training Collars? - 2/26/2007 8:21:13 AM

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if this is something u really want to do i would go for a big one since i suppose its on bodyweight. but i would never consider using a shock collar on a dog, so definitely wouldn't use one on a human

Humans have less fat around their necks than canines do, and therefore have far less protectection from the shock these things emit. I would not recommend a shock collar on a human's neck; particularly not a "big one." Way too close to the heart, and a risk that I would find not worth taking. Fastening such a collar around one's thigh seems effective and less chancy.

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RE: Electric Training Collars? - 2/26/2007 8:35:55 AM

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Not only do humans have less fat around the neck but dogs also have fur to help insulate against shocks as well. Also if you shock a dog and something happens all you have to worry about is the spca coming after you in court, but if something happens with a fellow human being you could run the rist of either spending the rest of your life in jail or get the death penalty depending on where you live. I believe the neck is too close to where the heart is for safety. Electricity is a dangerous thing to play with. It only needs about half an amp for a charge to kill.

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if this is something u really want to do i would go for a big one since i suppose its on bodyweight. but i would never consider using a shock collar on a dog, so definitely wouldn't use one on a human

Humans have less fat around their necks than canines do, and therefore have far less protectection from the shock these things emit. I would not recommend a shock collar on a human's neck; particularly not a "big one." Way too close to the heart, and a risk that I would find not worth taking. Fastening such a collar around one's thigh seems effective and less chancy.

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RE: Electric Training Collars? - 2/26/2007 8:39:22 AM

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Has your Mistress enjoyed everything else in the same area?
If not I suggest she starts with something a little less edgy.
I have always thought it a good idea to work up to things slowly a step at a time.
For me it's enjoying the journey that matters most.

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RE: Electric Training Collars? - 2/26/2007 9:03:07 AM

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If you do this, you'll want to get a collar that has multiple probe options, or offers an optional probe kit... the default probes on most electronic dog training collars are very long, and would be very uncomfortable to wear even when not engaged. Something like this would work, and has a couple of probes availble for it that would do nicely against human skin.

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RE: Electric Training Collars? - 2/26/2007 9:39:53 AM

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good lord I am so sheltered....... the idea scares the crap outta me ......

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RE: Electric Training Collars? - 2/26/2007 9:49:06 AM

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that is a very scary thing to me too....my neck is a body part i like to keep un-cooked.....

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RE: Electric Training Collars? - 2/26/2007 10:40:20 AM

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Ok, two things.

First off, a shock collar is not inhuman to a dog who is having behavioral issues as long as you don't sit there and shock the crap out of him/her. There are collars that emit a small amount of electricity to dogs who bark, and the more they bark, the higher the shock becomes until they get the frikkin hint. This is to help owners who can't be there all day to shut their dog up because most of the time, especially since barking mad dogs tend to disrupt neighbors (and I'll know this), it's either get the dog to shut up or get rid of them. I would personally rather see a dogs behavior corrected than see him end up in a shelter. Also, for other damaging behavior, like chasing cars (you know, where the human CAN'T keep up with the dog), attacking, etc. a shock collar can come in handy. But again, a shock collar on a well behaved dog would be indecent, but a shock collar where it's needed is not abusive if it's handled correctly.

Onward...
I am a little concerned with the differences between the human neck for shocking. I myself have been eyeing a nice little shock collar set, so all this information is very helpful. It's wise to get health checks anyway, so...I say do some outside reasearch a little more. Try reading some articles on what may be in store before making that decision. I'd google something like "shock collar humans articles" and see what comes up :)

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RE: Electric Training Collars? - 2/26/2007 10:57:09 AM

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Hmm I refused to use these things even on my dogs... let alone haveing one used on me.. I think Master feels the same way, but what ever floats your boat I just suggest beeing carefull these things werent ment for humans they were ment for animals that have furr to give some extra protection.. I dont know but I woudlnt think haveing the electrodes directly on skin would be good but I am saying that from my own mind I dont really know if it would cause any real harm.

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RE: Electric Training Collars? - 2/26/2007 11:03:51 AM

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I have never tried them, but does sound like an electrifying experience.

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ORIGINAL: Plethora22

I'm just curious if anyone has first hand experience with them. My mistress and I are thinking of getting one, and have been seeking out whatever information we can find on the web. It seems that there aren't any specifically designed for the BDSM community and even the various fetish websites simply sell the ones designed for dogs, which made me wary at first, but I have since read numerous pages explaining that they are perfectly safe for people as well. (My mistress even suggested that viewing the dog training video that comes with most of them could be fun in its own right, hehe).

Anyway, the point is I really have no idea how I should choose between the many options that are available. None of them list any of the statistics I'd really like to see such as battery life or voltage or even any real measure of strength besides those meant for a "small dog" or for a "big dog".

Anyway, any help would be greatly appreciated! :)

-Charlie

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RE: Electric Training Collars? - 2/26/2007 11:13:52 AM

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I would advise against using a SOCKING COLLAR on a person.WE breed and show hardheaded hounds and it works well on them and horses.The neck of a human is just to clost to rhe heart to be taking a chance now maybe on the ankle would be ok...vounty

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RE: Electric Training Collars? - 2/26/2007 11:18:12 AM

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I would like to add that we use a tritronic one of the best on the marjet,IT has several different setting from mild to wild and even a warning buzzer that if they aren't behaving you will zapp them...bounty

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RE: Electric Training Collars? - 2/26/2007 11:20:48 AM

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The proximity to your heart is not the issue, it is whether you include it in the electrical path. Note that you could lay a dog on a couch, or on a large and thick piece of rubber and shock the shit out of the dog..... This implies an immediate grounding path..........

The shocking prongs are fixed, you cant fuck around with them like say a tens unit, I would however, dissuade you from using on them after the shower, bath, swimming or while sweating profusely-----

If they are slobbering already you probably are past the point of limits talk anywhoo.

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RE: Electric Training Collars? - 2/26/2007 11:39:22 AM

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Thank you all so much for replying, particularly you sugarcoatedscamp for the links.

I just want to assure everyone my Mistress and I are not the type to rush into anything like this lightly. We have been doing research and if we deem it even borderline risky then we won't get one, end of story.

The only thing I want to say in my defense right now is that if people have the image of a person and/or dog writhing in pain on the ground from the shock... well that's just not how it works. From what I have read already, the intensity should ideally go from nothing more than a tingle on the low end, to something around the intensity of a hard fingernail scratch. If its more than that, then the collar is too strong.

-Pleth

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RE: Electric Training Collars? - 2/26/2007 11:45:11 AM

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A 10 units or the violet wand are just childs play compared to our folsom power box..the highest setting on the 10s unit isn't quiet up to our lowest on the folsom..by the way many get hurt playing with car batteries very dangerous...WE are very experienced in electrical and enjoy it very much...bounty ...edited due to extream shock

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RE: Electric Training Collars? - 2/26/2007 11:48:12 AM

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I liked to get those old maytag gas washer motors when they were plentiful they had a hell of a magneto on them, and it would make the peoples anxious, when you kick started them.

Ron

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RE: Electric Training Collars? - 2/26/2007 11:51:52 AM

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YOU are correct about the settings,but I can lay one down if they are messing with dear or running foxes.every 10 steps on the way to the truck, I hit them hard and OHH yes they head to me or the truck after I have hit them hard..Start out slow and go as far as you need to..Online go to billboatman.com hes hunting outfitter he has many models with different prices..Some one asked in email what kind of hounds? treeing walkers...bounty

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