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FirmhandKY -> RE: China (3/1/2007 10:41:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail you caught me perhaps I was not clear--- you have a bunch of words on a pagem, no difference it your citings that I just am pretty much gonna treat as asswipe--- so, having all these other world arguments, KainTuck--- You have no other recourse than to give a kiss ass that AS I SAID without talking head asswipe dickweed cites on the web that China is pretty much gonna control the area in which their little kneelers to the government breaths, oh yeah, and they are gonna pretty much dictate policy to the North Koreans, I dont give a fuck about the little short fingered dictators whos name starts with a comma, but yeah, after that you been pretty much in the right---you visons have beared out with the unfortunate exceptions of everything you have hacked, but you got some kinda shit going on brother, and you are right, you have been a veritable pussy out here and I am somewhat distrught about how everyone has been insulting you but I think that comes with greatness and absolute and total default, so you gotta take a couple hits, but a clock is right twice a day.........your arguements dont hold for more than minute--------and I really dont give a fuck what you quote, lets look at ------------ OH GOD I NEED A DRUMROLL AND SOMEONE TO SUCK MY DICK Ka, Fu, Sui, Chi, Ku until you understand that, you will pay to be liked and admired I want a blowjob LOL Ron but you are so hansome and non insulting in your arguments, I wish I could be like you ... non insulting in your arguments, I wish I could be like you I'd recommend that you go back and read your own posts as if someone else had written it to, and about you. In the mean time, your "holier than thou" attitude doesn't impress me. All I did was show you that your normal posts to me do make you "just like me" in the sense you are trying to protray. As far as how I responded to you, remember what they say about getting the donkey's attention ... *** Ka, Fu, Sui, Chi, Ku You're a Buddist? The five elements of the universal realm? Still not my church, so sorry poppa-san. *** until you understand that, you will pay to be liked and admired I want a blowjob My goal has never been to be "liked and admired" by the general population. Or you. Just by the people that I "like and admire". As far as you wanting a blowjob ... well ... I don't swing that way, and I don't share. Maybe if you put more effort into being civil, and actually trying to meet some of the ladies you flirt with here on CM, that issue might not be such a void in your life? *** you have a bunch of words on a pagem, no difference it your citings that I just am pretty much gonna treat as asswipe--- ... KainTuck--- My Google mnottertail to English translator renders this as: You write a lot of pretty words that I'm just going to ignore, little boy. My only comment would be ... so what's any different from what you normally do? And this somehow makes you smarter, more right, more logical ... how? Oh, that's right. Ignore any arguments or facts you don't like, or can't BS your way out of, discount any "cite" or link you can't be bothered to read, claim "more personal experience" and then get all shitty and insulting in that special notter-isque kind of way you do. If you can't dazzle 'em with brillance, baffle 'em with bullshit, right Ronnie? * You have no other recourse than to give a kiss ass that AS I SAID without talking head asswipe dickweed cites on the web that China is pretty much gonna control the area in which their little kneelers to the government breaths, oh yeah, and they are gonna pretty much dictate policy to the North Koreans, I dont give a fuck about the little short fingered dictators whos name starts with a comma, but yeah, after that you been pretty much in the right---you visons have beared out with the unfortunate exceptions of everything you have hacked, but you got some kinda shit going on brother, and you are right, you have been a veritable pussy out here and I am somewhat distrught about how everyone has been insulting you but I think that comes with greatness and absolute and total default, so you gotta take a couple hits, but a clock is right twice a day.........your arguements dont hold for more than minute--------and I really dont give a fuck what you quote, lets look at The Google translater choked on this one, but here is the parts that came out as readable: ... kiss my ass .... asswipe dickweed ... China boss ... you're a smart ass, who only gets stuff right occasionally [in High Mnotter Smart Aleck Inflection] ... you're a pussy ... I don't care what you quote, I don't believe anything you say ... I'm not sure how accurate any of that is, so if you want someone to understand it, perhaps you might take a stab at writing it in English. Forgive me if it's inaccurate. I haven't had much training or experience in your native language. * and I really dont give a fuck what you quote, lets look at ------------ OH GOD I NEED A DRUMROLL AND SOMEONE TO SUCK MY DICK shrugs If your intent was to offend me, sorry to disappoint you. Although I will say that this was perhaps your most succinct and understandable use of the language in the entire post, although your meaning is unclear in context. Perhaps, after you've gotten someone to "suck your dick" the reduction of testosterone might make you more amiable to a calmer discussion? Tell you what, I'll pull my dick back into my pants when you pull your dick back into your pants, and quit waving it around. Let me know when you decide to do that. FirmKY

meatcleaver -> RE: China (3/1/2007 11:47:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: caitlyn I agree with your pot/kettle statement. It's kind of why I hammer on you all the time, because I think you want to apply that to Americans, without taking it on yourself. You down America for being a superpower, and exploiting, or at least attempting ... but the only thing that keeps you from doing it, is that you are weak, and can't. Evidence ... when you weren't weak, you were just like us. Hell, Europeans, who the fuck do you think we learned it from? [;)] You won't hear me denying Europe's imperial past or at least those countries that had an imperial past. But I live in today's world and have to deal with today's politics and situation which is living with an imperial USA. quote: ORIGINAL: caitlyn Some Europeans are pissy about Iraq ... by coincidence, it's the same Europeans that were selling shit to Iraq. You don't really care about Iraq ... show me one bit of history where Eurpoeans have given a flying fuck about anyone but themselves (which is ok, by the way). Selling shit to Iraq which was a sovereign country and while I don't agree with it, it was legal, is not the same as invading a sovereign country for no other reason than to...access its oil? We have to guess the reason because the reason given by Bush , WMD, just isn't credible. quote: ORIGINAL: caitlyn In short Meatcleaver, I don't think Americans think they are all that. We are just the power that is ... and nothing more. Our country isn't any better than anyone elses ... just much more powerful, and more than willing to take advantage of it ... JUST like you would, if you could. Thats the bottom line ... it's not that you hate us or the things we do ... it's just that you wish it was you doing it, instread of us. Pot/Kettle ... I agree. [;)] If the Europeans wanted to they could get together in the EU and have a common defence policy which several French and German politicians advocate. The EU is wealthy enough to build up a competing military or one that would give the EU more diplomatic clout and project its power. The fact that it doesn't is that the overwhelming majority of Europeans don't want a neo-imperial Europe. They rather their citizens have universal healthcare and decent education than several aircraft carriers going around the world flying the flag and inviting hatred. Which is why many people don't want the EU to have its own defence commisioner and want the militaries of EU states to remain independent of each other and small. You may call it weak, I don't mind and while the EU is not perfect at least the poor have have access to universal healthcare. That to me is far better than a military that goes round the world bullying smaller nations. Incidently, I think most Europeans realise when their elites were allowed to have armies to play with and foreigners to bully, the ordinary citizen was treated rather badly and lived in conditions that were just as bad as the people their country oppressed. While that was in a different age and Americans don't have it that bad, there are still millions of Americans that are dirt poor and their situations totally neglected by the American political elite who are more concerned with lining their own and corporate America's pockets. Also as Dtesmoac pointed out, two wars changed Europe completely. No one wants to go back to playing with armies and flying flags in other people's countries. It isn't a question of weakness, we are wealthy enough, we just don't like military imperialism, we've been there and got the tee-shirt and it isn't that great.

farglebargle -> RE: China (3/2/2007 12:16:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY farglebargle, 42 FirmKY Wow. Did: quote: What DIFFERENCE does it make to a Citizen of the United States WHAT Chavez is. It's NOT YOUR FUCKING COUNTRY. YOU DON'T GET A VOTE, YOU DON'T GET TO OVERTHROW THE GOVERNMENT. If the People of Venezuela wanna have their own fucking revolution, more power to them. Best of luck. How's "Bringing Democracy to Mesopotamia" working out? What hubris makes you think intervention anywhere else would be any different. Actually get through to you? Or did you just punt?

caitlyn -> RE: China (3/2/2007 6:49:06 AM)
That was a pretty strong answer meatcleaver ... but the question I've asked probably ten or twenty times in various forms, on this board and never got more than a bullshit double talk answer, was this one. It's easy to say the observations are incorrect, while you are weak, and times are good. Tell me, what is your history when you are strong, and things go wrong? What say you? Keep in mind that I'm not European, and "because we are different now" will probably not play all that well, considering how manipulative Europe has been in the past, and how arrogant you come across now (meaning, Europeans lecturing Americans about their terrible imperialism, is a little like a mass murderer lecturing a guy that broke a window with a bb-gun). What say you to the rest of the world? What do you have, to show us you are anything more than what you have always been?

meatcleaver -> RE: China (3/2/2007 7:00:10 AM)
I have no doubt there are European politicians that would love a united European defence policy and to have access to a military something akin to the US that could bring, which would be within reach if they could persuade Europeans to back their vision. However, the average European doesn't believe in that shit anymore and hopefully there will remain a majority to stop any stupid ambitions of idiot politicians. Two world wars and 70,000,000 plus dead, destroyed economies and for what? If that happened to America, Americans wouldn't be so quick to consider war as an answer. The reason Britain is a strong allie of America is because it too never suffered as much as continental European countries suffered in the war. Yes, it was of their own making but it is a lesson learnt.

caitlyn -> RE: China (3/2/2007 7:11:26 AM)
That is a complete double-talk answer. Times are good now ... we understand that. It's easy to say that Europeans will play nice while times are good. What I want you to do, is prove to the rest of the world, that you won't revert to form when times are bad. *(by the way, the same logic you are using, was used after "The War to End All Wars." It was bullshit then, and still sounds like bullshit now)*

meatcleaver -> RE: China (3/2/2007 7:23:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: caitlyn It's easy to say the observations are incorrect, while you are weak, and times are good. Tell me, what is your history when you are strong, and things go wrong? The British, French and Spanish empires all fucked themselves fighting wars while they were the strongest countries in the world and being too jingoistic and war loving. There is a lesson there for the US. Military might doesn't necessarily bring good times but destroys them. Though I wouldn't call Europe weak at the moment though it is militarily weak through choice, prefering to spend on social policies and infrastructure than on military. Again, a lesson learnt. There is nothing to be gained through projecting military strength, just the illusion of strength and a reason for people to hate you, it does nothing for ordinary people.

caitlyn -> RE: China (3/2/2007 7:26:02 AM)
Still nothing approaching an honest answer ... not that it will stop you from preaching to others anyway.

meatcleaver -> RE: China (3/2/2007 7:30:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: caitlyn That is a complete double-talk answer. Times are good now ... we understand that. It's easy to say that Europeans will play nice while times are good. What I want you to do, is prove to the rest of the world, that you won't revert to form when times are bad. *(by the way, the same logic you are using, was used after "The War to End All Wars." It was bullshit then, and still sounds like bullshit now)* Well it will be bullshit as long as there are politicians like Bush and Blair around. The US is getting paranoid over Korea, Iran, Russia, everywhere you look there are potential enemies, yet all are incapable of invading the US so what is America scared of, its shadow? The problem is the US is aware it is the strongest nation in the world and its scared shitless should another country should compete with it. When you aren't in that position it doesn't really matter. The average European is better off now than they were when they were the top nations so it doesn't give a flying fig to us about being the top nation. Revert to what in bad times? My guess is everyone will have their own nuke so there will be few invasions for resource grabs.

Stephann -> RE: China (3/2/2007 7:34:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: meatcleaver quote: ORIGINAL: caitlyn Some Europeans are pissy about Iraq ... by coincidence, it's the same Europeans that were selling shit to Iraq. You don't really care about Iraq ... show me one bit of history where Eurpoeans have given a flying fuck about anyone but themselves (which is ok, by the way). Selling shit to Iraq which was a sovereign country and while I don't agree with it, it was legal, is not the same as invading a sovereign country for no other reason than to...access its oil? We have to guess the reason because the reason given by Bush , WMD, just isn't credible. I'll jump in on this one real quicklike. I'll agree, it wasn't WMD. I won't agree it's oil. Bush was hard pressed to 'make someone pay' for 9-11. He made a politically lifesaving decision to invade Iraq. It carried him into another term. If oil was the real reason Iraq was invaded, why are we in such a rush to get all our troops out of there? Why aren't those oil refineries working at max capacity, and tankers being sent directly to New York? Why are we in such a rush to evacuate the country, leaving it to the political and military will of Iran and Syria? Anyone who thinks that Iraq will remain in the power of anyone even remotely willing to do business with the United States is in for a sore surprise when the tooth fairy, Santa Clause, and the Easter Bunny don't come calling either. If the US was genuinely prepared to engage Iran head to head, we wouldn't be in such a rush to pull troops out of a country that shares their border. Stephan

caitlyn -> RE: China (3/2/2007 7:59:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: meatcleaver You won't hear me denying Europe's imperial past or at least those countries that had an imperial past. But I live in today's world and have to deal with today's politics and situation which is living with an imperial USA. Here is the other thing you said that I would question. "Living with an imperial USA" ... what exactly does that mean? Until and unless we show up on your doorstep, what do you even care? Are you being harmed by this imperialism? I thought things were great over there.

Stephann -> RE: China (3/2/2007 8:07:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: meatcleaver quote: ORIGINAL: caitlyn That is a complete double-talk answer. Times are good now ... we understand that. It's easy to say that Europeans will play nice while times are good. What I want you to do, is prove to the rest of the world, that you won't revert to form when times are bad. *(by the way, the same logic you are using, was used after "The War to End All Wars." It was bullshit then, and still sounds like bullshit now)* Well it will be bullshit as long as there are politicians like Bush and Blair around. The US is getting paranoid over Korea, Iran, Russia, everywhere you look there are potential enemies, yet all are incapable of invading the US so what is America scared of, its shadow? The problem is the US is aware it is the strongest nation in the world and its scared shitless should another country should compete with it. When you aren't in that position it doesn't really matter. The average European is better off now than they were when they were the top nations so it doesn't give a flying fig to us about being the top nation. Revert to what in bad times? My guess is everyone will have their own nuke so there will be few invasions for resource grabs. We live in a different era, one that is drastically different from every other concept of military might in history. Never, in the course of the most bloodthirsty sons of bitches who walked the planet (Hitler, Genghis Khan, Stalin, Vlad the Impaler, Nero, et al) did any nation or ruler have the capacity to not only obliterate every man woman and child in a nation, but to render it (and every neighboring nation) uninhabitable for thousands of years. We look on the historical impacts of military might, but this 'new' type of warfare - nuclear warfare - simply is beyond the scope of our ability to calculate the untold damage to the environment, commerce, etc etc etc. The nuclear 'deterrent' carries moral implications beyond our scope of reason. That nuclear warheads have not been used (save for once, in WWII, as a demonstration of their potential power) attests to a sobering reality of technology that has never existed before. Simply put, in one or two hundred years, it stands to reason that even the most jealously guarded technology will become as antique as gunpowder is, today. A nuclear device will likely be available for purchase on the black market, the way that plastic explosives are right now. What these devices will be used to do, frankly, will depend on the methods we take to resolve conflict today. As current trends suggest, I doubt it will be favorable to the human race. It isn't a matter of 'if' nukes are used, but rather when. It won't matter if it's Bush or Putin or bin Laden. It's coming. Stephan

domiguy -> RE: China (3/2/2007 8:12:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: caitlyn quote: ORIGINAL: meatcleaver You won't hear me denying Europe's imperial past or at least those countries that had an imperial past. But I live in today's world and have to deal with today's politics and situation which is living with an imperial USA. Here is the other thing you said that I would question. "Living with an imperial USA" ... what exactly does that mean? Until and unless we show up on your doorstep, what do you even care? Are you being harmed by this imperialism? I thought things were great over there. To a twenty year old closed minded woman: Is anyone being harmed by what the U.S. is doing?.....caitlyn why don't you answer that question if you can?

farglebargle -> RE: China (3/2/2007 8:35:42 AM)
quote: Bush was hard pressed to 'make someone pay' for 9-11. He made a politically lifesaving decision to invade Iraq. It carried him into another term. Yeah, the problem is, that's not really permitted in this country. And because it's not permitted, Bush, Cheney, Rice, Feith, et. al. committed crimes to pull it off. And because Bush abused the system, the backlash cost his party control of the Legislature. I wonder to John Sweeney, a Republican Congressman, if losing his seat to a newbie Dem was a price paying for Bush's 2nd Term. I think he'd say "No".

Aubre -> RE: China (3/2/2007 8:37:02 AM)
Don't forget - China leads the world in capital punishment and is the go-to place for buying human organs.

farglebargle -> RE: China (3/2/2007 8:38:04 AM)
Yeah, but organs are cheaper in Tijuana!

Aubre -> RE: China (3/2/2007 8:42:15 AM)
Yeah but in China they can match your need with an existing death row inmate, do the execution and have the organ ready for you in a jif!

meatcleaver -> RE: China (3/2/2007 8:43:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: caitlyn quote: ORIGINAL: meatcleaver You won't hear me denying Europe's imperial past or at least those countries that had an imperial past. But I live in today's world and have to deal with today's politics and situation which is living with an imperial USA. Here is the other thing you said that I would question. "Living with an imperial USA" ... what exactly does that mean? Until and unless we show up on your doorstep, what do you even care? Are you being harmed by this imperialism? I thought things were great over there. Here's the difference caitlyn. European history is shite but the average European had little say in the matter and when they did, they were ill educated and had no access to independent media, just government propaganda. You have a good education, you have access to independent media, you have access to the world view of you potential enemy. You know politicians lie and their main concern is not for ordinary people but interest groups that get them into power. Yet you still say, that is the way the world is. Well it will always be the way the world is if young educated people like you accept the shite your government feeds you. I don't like European politicians anymore than I like American ones but at least I know the people that run my country are a load of shite. If my 13 year old daughter could extrapolate from what Blair said that he was lying, if she could read French and German sources to know there was a completely different version of the truth out there then surely you can. I was watching a documentry on the Suez crisis not long ago. A British paratrooper said he was shocked to find they had been sent to kill civilians, they thought they were going to kill 'darkie' (rascist idiom in those times) murderers and if he knew the truth he would have refused to go. Ignorance is not a defence nowadays.

Stephann -> RE: China (3/2/2007 8:53:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle quote: Bush was hard pressed to 'make someone pay' for 9-11. He made a politically lifesaving decision to invade Iraq. It carried him into another term. Yeah, the problem is, that's not really permitted in this country. And because it's not permitted, Bush, Cheney, Rice, Feith, et. al. committed crimes to pull it off. And because Bush abused the system, the backlash cost his party control of the Legislature. I wonder to John Sweeney, a Republican Congressman, if losing his seat to a newbie Dem was a price paying for Bush's 2nd Term. I think he'd say "No". Perhaps you'd like to point out in the constitution, where invading a foreign country is prohibited. Or maybe there is case law addressing the arrest and imprisonment of leaders who support such invasion. "Law" is not synonymous with "Right" or "Truth." We have a president who is clearly willing to play the role of martyr, so long as it fulfills the political ambitions of Americans. After all, we did vote for him, right? Domiguy, I'll agree with you in part; there is a "new" form of imperialism in existence, though not exactly the same as military imperialism. The United States is content to permit other countries their sovereignty, so long as said countries are willing to do business with us on a 'fair' playing field (i.e. willing to allow us to sell Pentiums and Windows Vista, in exchange for dirt cheap coffee and sugar.) England used unfair trade practices as an economic base to establish one of the most powerful empires since Rome. Unlike English, the US is not likely to begin physical or political expansion. It would be bad for business. Stephan

farglebargle -> RE: China (3/2/2007 9:24:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Stephann quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle quote: Bush was hard pressed to 'make someone pay' for 9-11. He made a politically lifesaving decision to invade Iraq. It carried him into another term. Yeah, the problem is, that's not really permitted in this country. And because it's not permitted, Bush, Cheney, Rice, Feith, et. al. committed crimes to pull it off. And because Bush abused the system, the backlash cost his party control of the Legislature. I wonder to John Sweeney, a Republican Congressman, if losing his seat to a newbie Dem was a price paying for Bush's 2nd Term. I think he'd say "No". Perhaps you'd like to point out in the constitution, where invading a foreign country is prohibited. Article 2, Section 8. Congress Declares War and decides how money is spent. When Bush started conducting war operations and planning against Iraq, CONGRESS did not know ( They only gave approval for the AUMF in Iraq, everything prior to that AUMF is what we're discussing... ) NOR did Congress appropriate money for those operations. IF Congress didn't authorize money for that year's worth of operations prior to the AUMF, where did the Administration GET the money? That's right. They used OTHER MONEY to pay the Iraq bills. When you lie about what money's going to be used for, that's FRAUD. Multiple actors means a CONSPIRACY, and not a crackpot one, either. Setting up offices in the Pentagon to cook intel, and providing misleading and false information to The People and Congress, depriving them of their Constitutional role in oversight and appropriations? They clearly committed violations against 18 USC 371.

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