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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania
Anyone that kisses Fundie ass will lose the election...

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ORIGINAL: WyrdRich

But Fargle, do enough people care what the Pope thinks to keep him out? Do you let the Bishop of Rome tell you how to vote?

I've been following Rudy for a long time. I don't agree with him on everything, he's done things I don't like. His other positions and ability to actually LEAD and get things done far outweigh the negatives (for me at least).

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

Dude, if you're FOR Rudy, you don't know anything about Rudy.

It begins with the Pope hating him for being a pretend catholic while committing adultery, and being pretty damn unrepentant about it, too.

So, if he will lie to his priest, who won't he lie to?

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ORIGINAL: deadbluebird

Pro-choice and win the Republican Primary? I doubt it.

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

This is why the Republican Party is in dire straights, anyone that will not kiss Fundie ass will probably lose the primary. Anyone that kisses Fundie ass will lose the election... Mainstream America is starting to wake up  to exactly how scary the Pat Roberston vote is... add in fears of a war with Iran and the disaster in Iraq, things do not look good for Republicans... perhaps to the point of ceasing to exist... which would mean that the Fundies would start their own party... which they are restless and threatening to do.

Take heart... the Democrats may implode if Hillary actually wins the primary...which looks increasingly doubtful. I think Obama just might win

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Regrettably, the situation with former Mayor Giuliani is very different. His actions post 9/11 rise to such an offensive and personal attack on our brother and sisterhood — and directly on our union — that the IAFF does not feel Rudy Giuliani deserves an audience of IAFF leaders and members at our own Presidential Forum.

The disrespect that he exhibited to our 343 fallen FDNY brothers, their families and our New York City IAFF leadership in the wake of that tragic day has not been forgiven or forgotten.

In November 2001, our members were continuing the painful, but necessary, task of searching Ground Zero for the remains of our fallen brothers and the thousands of innocent citizens that were killed, because precious few of those who died in the terrorist attacks had been recovered at that point.

Prior to November 2001, 101 bodies or remains of fire fighters had been recovered. And those on the horrible pile at Ground Zero believed they had just found a spot in the rubble where they would find countless more that could be given proper burial.

Nevertheless, Giuliani, with the full support of his Fire Commissioner Thomas Von Essen, decided on November 2, 2001, to sharply reduce the number of those who could search for remains at any one time. There had been as many as 300 fire fighters at a time involved in search and recovery, but Giuliani cut that number to no more than 25 who could be there at once.

In conjunction with the cut in fire fighters allowed to search, Giuliani also made a conscious decision to institute a "scoop-and-dump" operation to expedite the clean-up of Ground Zero in lieu of the more time-consuming, but respectful, process of removing debris piece by piece in hope of uncovering more remains.

Mayor Giuliani's actions meant that fire fighters and citizens who perished would either remain buried at Ground Zero forever, with no closure for families, or be removed like garbage and deposited at the Fresh Kills Landfill.

Our Local presidents at the time attempted to meet with the Mayor to stop this despicable treatment of those who perished, but he refused to even see them face-to-face.