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Are submissives weak? - 3/3/2007 5:48:46 PM   
MsCfromMelbourne


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Status: offline 		There seems to be a common belief that
1) you male Master/Dom/Tops think male submissives are weak
and so
2) you would be ashamed to admit if you actually tried - and god forbid enjoyed -  submitting to a woman.

Are these assumptions about your antipathy towards your submissive brethren fair?

Over the last 10 years, my submissive males  have all been powerful and/or adventurous "high fliers" - several lawyers, several CEOs, a soldier, two paramedics and a heart surgeon. They were all completely confident in their own masculine identity and sexual orientation.  They all wanted to be owned, used and abused (SSC of course) by a strong, beautiful* woman. They were not afraid of committed monogamous relationships.  Most of them were almighty pain sluts too.

None of this was weak or pathetic IME.  I would not date a doormat.  Submitting to female domination  takes guts and determination (and a huge appetite for kink)

So why do people think Dominant males disrespect submissive males?  Do you? 


* beauty is definitely in the eye of the beholder of course. 

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RE: Are submissives weak? - 3/3/2007 6:04:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		There are weak Doms, subs and slaves. Doesn't mean all are. Gender has nothing to do with weakness. Some of us have needs to be submissive and that certianly doesn't make us weak, male or female.

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RE: Are submissives weak? - 3/3/2007 6:07:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thank you sweet nurse and I agree - but I was asking the Male Doms their opinion, since they are the ones that are alledgedly repulsed by the idea of male submission. 

Come on guys, why?

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RE: Are submissives weak? - 3/3/2007 6:09:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		In my experience, it's typically the average full-on hetero Dom/Master that seems to hold that opinion.

But, I've seen it in Dommes too (although few I think would admit it). 

 


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RE: Are submissives weak? - 3/3/2007 6:12:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MsCfromMelbourne


So why do people think Dominant males disrespect submissive males? 


Fear. Much like homophobia there is that twinge of submission, that what if in the back of the mind that the ego cannot handle.

I will tell you that I feel it takes more strength to submit than to dominate.

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RE: Are submissives weak? - 3/3/2007 6:27:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thank you.....answers have been given by a submissive female, a dog (I think) and a Troll (which is some kind of hairy frog thing.....!!)

But this is "Ask a Master" so come on guys! 

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RE: Are submissives weak? - 3/3/2007 6:30:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		"True strength lies in submission, which permits one to dedicate her life, through devotion, to something beyond herself."
"True strength lies in submission, which permits one to dedicate her life, through devotion, to something beyond herself." "I, with a deeper instinct, choose a man who compels my strength, who makes enormous demands on me, who does not doubt my courage or my toughness, who does not believe me naive or innocent, who has the courage to treat me like a woman" - nin
Some people think it's holding on that makes one strong; sometimes it's
letting go.     - Sylvia Robinson These are some of my favorite thoughts on the strength to submit.  Like Sir says, I dont give my subbmission to world but to him.I am sure this is true of sub males as well.Personally I do not understand male subs for I find that being the way I am is not  a "manly thing thing" to do in private.But that is JMFO.A CEO can find himself running a worldside company, with determination, success and straight forwardness and NEED to find fullfillment in walking through a door disrobing and kneeling to the whims of a "supreme goddness."  I do NOT think it is always a man kneeling "for a huge appetite of kink" as you say.  If kink is involved in any D/s relationship, it is because the relationship chooes the kink.  Sir does not dislike male subs;  it is I who does NOT understand them, nor do I not dislike them,  I just do not understand them.  Sir and I were discussing just today that male subs do have kinks a female might never even think of.  That is from his 12 years of vast experience even in the complexities of the Chicago scene. I will still caution you are generalizing a lot, and the generalization partrol might prey upon you, that is, if they have the guts.

Edited to say: Pardon me but the forums are public and demanding only masters to reply is like demanding all you Dom/mes stay away from the sub/slave forum. 

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RE: Are submissives weak? - 3/3/2007 6:38:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Should I go put this question in "Ask A Submissive"?????

I was asking (not demanding) the Masters if the "generalisation" about them was true or not. 

I cite my own experience and I hope they cite theirs to dispel the generalisation

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RE: Are submissives weak? - 3/3/2007 6:41:01 PM   
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RE: Are submissives weak? - 3/3/2007 6:44:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FukinTroll

Fear. Much like homophobia there is that twinge of submission, that what if in the back of the mind that the ego cannot handle.

I will tell you that I feel it takes more strength to submit than to dominate.


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RE: Are submissives weak? - 3/3/2007 6:48:32 PM   
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RE: Are submissives weak? - 3/3/2007 6:55:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		I definitely don't think any submissive is weak.  They are the ones who give themselves over, takes a great force of will to do that, to put that trust and faith in someone else.  That goes for male or female subs.

And I have bottomed before, but I can't submit.  I've tried, I just don't have it in me. 

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RE: Are submissives weak? - 3/3/2007 7:45:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		of course subs r weak. but wise enuff 2 acknowledgetheir weakness and get the protection of a master. its just nature, the weak seek thestraong and serve them. nothing 2 be ashamed of, the shame is not knowin who u r

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RE: Are submissives weak? - 3/3/2007 8:02:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: azzmaster

of course subs r weak. but wise enuff 2 acknowledgetheir weakness and get the protection of a master. its just nature, the weak seek thestraong and serve them. nothing 2 be ashamed of, the shame is not knowin who u r

I do not agree with this, I do not know many "weak" submissives. To me it takes alot of strength to serve someone. It takes even more courage to go against the idiotic traditional gender roles. Weak? No, not in my mind, but everyone has their own belief. I think the person who is weak is the one pretending to be something s/he is not.

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RE: Are submissives weak? - 3/3/2007 8:12:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MsCfromMelbourne

Should I go put this question in "Ask A Submissive"?????

I was asking (not demanding) the Masters if the "generalisation" about them was true or not. 

I cite my own experience and I hope they cite theirs to dispel the generalisation


Realizing you are somewhat new to the boards, I will let you know the Troll is a master and is tyhe demographics you seek to respond.

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RE: Are submissives weak? - 3/3/2007 8:37:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: azzmaster

of course subs r weak. but wise enuff 2 acknowledgetheir weakness and get the protection of a master. its just nature, the weak seek thestraong and serve them. nothing 2 be ashamed of, the shame is not knowin who u r


I personally don't know too many subs who are "ashamed".

The only shame involved would be on the part of some generic dominant that had the misfortunate to say something like that to me in person. 

They'd realize pretty quick there's nothing weak about me.   



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RE: Are submissives weak? - 3/3/2007 8:50:16 PM   
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quote:

1) you male Master/Dom/Tops think male submissives are weak
and so

first of all, you are blatantly generalizing in this statement. have you personally polled every single male Dom to come up with this conclusion? just curious how you came up with that general idea of what Daddy thinks about male submissives. to answer, Daddy has no comment about male submissives because He has no interest in them.

quote:

2) you would be ashamed to admit if you actually tried - and god forbid enjoyed -  submitting to a woman.

again you are generalizing.

quote:

Are these assumptions about your antipathy towards your submissive brethren fair?

hint in the keyword - assumptions because that's what you posted nothing but generalized assumptions.


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RE: Are submissives weak? - 3/3/2007 9:03:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: joyinslavery

quote:

ORIGINAL: azzmaster

of course subs r weak. but wise enuff 2 acknowledgetheir weakness and get the protection of a master. its just nature, the weak seek thestraong and serve them. nothing 2 be ashamed of, the shame is not knowin who u r


I personally don't know too many subs who are "ashamed".

The only shame involved would be on the part of some generic dominant that had the misfortunate to say something like that to me in person. 

They'd realize pretty quick there's nothing weak about me.   




Please realize we do not all feel this way.  As others have said, there is nothing weak about submission, and damn sure nothing to be ashamed about.  I think it takes an uncommon amount of inner strength to be able to give your trust and core to another unreservedly.

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RE: Are submissives weak? - 3/3/2007 9:18:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MsCfromMelbourne

Should I go put this question in "Ask A Submissive"?????



Please do so, then I'd be more than happy to respond! 

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RE: Are submissives weak? - 3/3/2007 9:21:00 PM   
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