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RE: The Double Standard rears it's head - 3/9/2007 12:00:31 PM

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But when it's shown that your beliefs are incorrect, and continue to do the wrong things, you're not a leader, you're in denial.

uh .... FB ... please go to the chalk board and write this sentence 100 times.

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RE: The Double Standard rears it's head - 3/9/2007 12:38:40 PM

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Leadership is the exact opposite of governing by public opinion polls, and we elect leaders - not pollsters.

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I would have been interested in hearing what similarities you found between what Democrats have to say and what terror groups had to say, but when you mentioned left wing blogs, I became much less interested. You can find a blog that says anything, if you look hard enough. It proves nothing, in my view.

We will have to agree to not agree on the "governing by opinion polls", "doing what he thinks it right" issue. I fall solidly in the camp that we should be electing people to do what the American people tell them to do. What President Bush believes is right, is worth roughly 1/276,000,000th, in my view. He is one citizen, and we didn't elect him king. This by the way, goes for all leaders, not just Republicans. I have no idea how governing by polls got to be a bad thing.

The ability to work with the other party in Texas, is perhaps a point President Bush made, that should have been looked at more closely. I suppose you have noticed that I live in Texas, and as such, tend to know a lot of Texans. My foster parents are extremely politically active, one in each party (which makes evening meals a lot of fun), and both agree that when President Bush made this claim, he was very much seeing things the way he wanted to see them. The reality is that he tended to gravitate towards issues that already had wide support from both parties, and then claim to have been the broker of the deal. You might also note that powerful Republicans in Texas, have tended to put distance between themselves and the White House, long before that became all the rage. Sen. Kay, Ron Paul and Gov. Perry are far from strong Bush supporters, and as a Texan, I assure you that all three are so popular here that they didn't need to distance from the President to get stay in office. President Bush may claim to have worked with both parties in texas, but certainly isn't getting wide support from his own party, in this state.

President Bush is a very skilled politician, in my view. I don't share the opinion of most other liberals, that Presient Bush is somehow stupid or inept. I think he is smart ... very smart, and knows how to fool people.

My thinking is you should look carefully at your arguments above, and consider what percentage of them have real facts behind them ... not opinion, but actual, clear, unquestioned facts. If the answer is none, you might consider if you are really following the man you think you are.

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RE: The Double Standard rears it's head - 3/9/2007 1:50:13 PM

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I would define leadership, as the ability to divine the will of the American people, and build coalitions to make this will, a reality.

A leader should also be willing and able to articulate a strong case to the voters, if they are sure of the strength of their position.

If a leader's views are directly contrary to what the voters want, a leader should put their ego aside, and do what they were elected to do.

A leader should be able to admit when they make a mistake. I don't think Americans expect leaders that are always right, one-hundred percent of the time ... but leaders that think they are right one-hundred percent of the time, tend to ping on the voter's bullshit detector.

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RE: The Double Standard rears it's head - 3/9/2007 4:04:33 PM

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America is a Constitutional Republic where each and every Individual *IS* the Sovereign Entity.

That is why all authority comes from The People.

We do not HAVE, nor NEED "Leaders".

It's called "The Administration" for a reason.

Congress tells 'em WHAT to do, it's only their job to do what Congress tells 'em to.

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RE: The Double Standard rears it's head - 3/9/2007 4:08:44 PM

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Problem is, the will of the people is fickle and we would have a "mob rules" mentality if we did things your way, and "mob rules" isn't pretty sometimes. We'd be like a feather in the wind with no direction, that's why we elect a LEADER instead of a pollster.

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RE: The Double Standard rears it's head - 3/9/2007 4:11:47 PM

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We elect an ADMINISTRATOR.

Leaders are for Banana Republics, Fascist States, Etc.

We're FREE, We lead ourselves.

Ever wonder why America is screwed up? It's b/c people have forgotten that simple fact.

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RE: The Double Standard rears it's head - 3/9/2007 4:12:44 PM

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Yeah ... but doesn't he have a mandate?

Oh wait ... Ann Coulter says Edwards has a mandate ... or maybe a lot of man-dates.

My song for Presi-B ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Sf6Q84sT6c

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RE: The Double Standard rears it's head - 3/9/2007 4:15:04 PM

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With Matt "Dirty" Sanchez hanging around, Coulter knows all about Mandates.

Think she knew the "Jeanne Kirkpatrick Academic Freedom Award" was being given to a Gay Hustler?

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RE: The Double Standard rears it's head - 3/9/2007 4:15:29 PM

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No, farglebargle. George Washington was a LEADER.

Abe Lincoln was a LEADER.

Teddy Roosevelt was a LEADER.

George W. Bush is a LEADER. You may not like it, but LEAD is what he does.

Americans elect LEADERS for President, not mealy-mouthed "administrators". Well, maybe with the exception of Bill Clinton - he was more of a feather-in-the-wind kind of guy, not much of a leader.

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RE: The Double Standard rears it's head - 3/9/2007 4:17:08 PM

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Gay-bashing is what Leftists do best. You GO farglebargle...

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With Matt "Dirty" Sanchez hanging around, Coulter knows all about Mandates.

Think she knew the "Jeanne Kirkpatrick Academic Freedom Award" was being given to a Gay Hustler?

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RE: The Double Standard rears it's head - 3/9/2007 4:21:38 PM

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you know it's kind of hard
to get along today
our subject isn't cool
but he fakes it anyway

he may not have a clue
he may not have style
but everything he lacks
he makes up in denial

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No, farglebargle. George Washington was a LEADER.

Abe Lincoln was a LEADER.

Teddy Roosevelt was a LEADER.

George W. Bush is a LEADER. You may not like it, but LEAD is what he does.

Americans elect LEADERS for President, not mealy-mouthed "administrators". Well, maybe with the exception of Bill Clinton - he was more of a feather-in-the-wind kind of guy, not much of a leader.

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RE: The Double Standard rears it's head - 3/9/2007 4:25:29 PM

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Gay-bashing is what Leftists do best. You GO farglebargle...

Ann Coulter is Gay? Because it's her I'm bashing. Matt Sanchez *IS* a homosexual prostitute. He has a website.

And geez, *I'm* a leftist?

You're a NEO-Con, right?

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RE: The Double Standard rears it's head - 3/9/2007 4:27:07 PM

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you know it's kind of hard
to get along today
our subject isn't cool
but he fakes it anyway

he may not have a clue
he may not have style
but everything he lacks
he makes up in denial

You know someone's getting desperate when they feel they have to stoop to personal attacks.

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RE: The Double Standard rears it's head - 3/9/2007 4:31:04 PM

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Dude ... I'm half drunk, and going out in a few hours ... so STFU already.

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RE: The Double Standard rears it's head - 3/9/2007 4:31:52 PM

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ORIGINAL: caitlyn

you know it's kind of hard
to get along today
our subject isn't cool
but he fakes it anyway

he may not have a clue
he may not have style
but everything he lacks
he makes up in denial

You know someone's getting desperate when they feel they have to stoop to personal attacks.

Are you suggesting the Offspring are in denial?

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p.s. Cruising in his Pinto he sees homeys as he pass, but if he looks twice they're gonna kick his lily ass.

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RE: The Double Standard rears it's head - 3/9/2007 4:32:54 PM

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I just think it's funny that all you Liberals act so pissed off that Ann Coulter called Edwards a "fagot" when for years the best attack against HER that they could muster was to try and suggest she was transgendered... like that's so awful. Like gay / transgendered / etc is the lowest (according to Liberals, when attacking Ann Coulter). Now suddenly calling someone a fagot is a hate crime.... hypocrites!

You gotta love the hypocrisy. And this "neocon" BS is funny too. You have to make up names that sound like Nazis to try to win your argument or whatever. That's a cheap shot, is all that is. Try again, farglebargle. I'm a right-winger, sure. A Conservative. And you're a Liberal / Leftist who likes to pretend he's a Conservative because LIBERAL is a dirty word.