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The Double Standard rears it's head - 3/4/2007 10:47:12 AM

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     The Republican candidates are now all expected to report to the microphones to denounce Ann Coulter.

http://americablog.blogspot.com/2007/03/cheney-gop-prez-candidates-called-on-to.html

    Why don't the Dems have to line up to apologize for every nasty insult hurled at Bush? Did John Kerry have to apologize for Whoopi Goldberg? Hillary for Al Franken?

     Why exactly are the Libs so comfortable placing expectations on Conservatives that they would never consider meeting themselves?

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RE: The Double Standard rears it's head - 3/4/2007 11:20:37 AM

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Maybe it has something to do with the Republicans getting the country into an unpopular war and now feeling the need to redeem themselves or get trounced at the polls?

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RE: The Double Standard rears it's head - 3/4/2007 11:23:21 AM

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Rich, because they're easily "offended?"
These are the kind of people that the Three Stooges used to throw pies at!
"Well! I never!" WHAP!
I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that people like that have great difficulty accepting things the way they *really are* in life.
"Don't drink downstream from the herd" doesn't make any sense to people like that.

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RE: The Double Standard rears it's head - 3/4/2007 11:23:52 AM

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Remember when Michael Moor had the premier for his 9/11 propaganda film, and all the Dem movers and shakers attended?

Wasn't it Daschal that hugged him after it was over?

Not a single apology or "hey, his facts are wrong" out of any Dem that I remember. Just kudos and "Yeah man! Kick 'em!"

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RE: The Double Standard rears it's head - 3/4/2007 11:30:40 AM

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It long predates any current administration, MC. The most bigoted, rascist filth (anti-semitism in particular) can come from the mouths of the Left, and all is quickly forgiven. Not so for the Right.

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RE: The Double Standard rears it's head - 3/4/2007 11:33:20 AM

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Wow....so many thoughts running through my head right now......i just saw the clip on TV a few minutes ago, actually, and was just calming down from a rant when i clicked on this forum...LOL....my first thought whenever Ann Coulter shoots her mouth off like this is pity. She is soooooo desperate for attention that there is nothing she won't say to get it. Poor little media whore just isn't getting the spotlight as much these days as she would like to. When she gets really frantic, she pulls a stunt like this in hopes of recapturing the public's attention. Hey, even negative attention is better than none right?

Though i usually despise everything she spouts out, i think she is generally an intelligent woman. It's such a shame that she has chosen this "Nazi Bitch" persona of hers to play. i know she is far from ignorant - she's too bright to truly believe the drivel she spews out. If she would only use her power for good...sigh. BUT...having made my position on her and her tripe clear....i also don't understand why any other Republican should have to denounce her.

#1 - she is entitled to her opinions no matter how vehemently i (or anyone) disagrees with them. That's what so many in our great country forget. They seem to think that freedom of speech is great until someone they don't like says something they really hate and then they need to be silenced. That's soooooo un-American.

#2 - just because she happens to be a conservative and a Republican does NOT mean that all other conservatives and Republicans think like she does. Some may agree and some may disagree but why should they be expected to defend her OR denounce her. This is like the racist and sexist assumptions that all blacks, Hispanics, men or women share the same opinions and think alike on every issue. When a conservative or a Republican says something controversial, HE or SHE is responsible for it - NO ONE else (even if they do usually see eye to eye). The same goes for liberals and Democrats. Kerry shouldn't have to speak on what Whoopi Goldberg says nor should Hilary have to denounce or defend Al Franken. Goldberg, Franken, Coulter, etc. are responsible for THEMSELVES - only they are responsible for what they do and say.

As for your contention that "libs" place expectations on conservatives that they "would never consider meeting themselves," we both know that goes both ways. Conservatives do exactly the same thing. BUT, contending that ALL liberals or ALL conservatives think alike is, again, so very untrue. Just because people agree in general on policies, principles, ideas, etc. does NOT mean they think totally alike on all issues and can be lumped under only 2 distinct headings of liberal or conservative.

Political correctness has gotten totally out of control these days. People used to be able to have and express thoroughly ignorant, asanine opinions without being crucified for it . For instance, anytime a celebrity says anything considered racist or homophobic, they are skewered for it. They're made to feel shameful and then they immediately go into "therapy" so that they can learn to change their opinions to be like they "should" be and then they are forced to publicly "apologize." Give me a break. i personally feel thinking racist and homophobic thoughts is ignorant and it's SUPER ignorant to be in the public eye and actually VOICE them. However, if they believe what they are saying strongly enough, they should be willing to stand behind it and say, "Sure I think it. I said it. I'm allowed. Screw off!" The concept that anyone who thinks and/or speaks against the current norm should somehow be reprimanded, reprogrammed, and forced to publicly repent and recant is very "1984"-ish and frankly very scary to me.

Soooo....that's why, IMHO, Ann Coulter should be allowed to say whatever her little WASP'y heart desires, no matter how untrue or asanine i personally find it. She should not have to defend her right to say it and no one else should have to defend or denounce her. She's a big girl and she's entitled to say whatever she can get them to record, film, etc. in her frenzied attempts at more, more, and still more attention

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RE: The Double Standard rears it's head - 3/4/2007 11:46:28 AM

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quote:

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she's too bright to truly believe the drivel she spews out.

You know, I get accused of this from time to time. It's pretty offensive. It indicates a pervasive attitude that anyone who disagrees with the Lib line is just defective. What would we call that other than bigotry?

I think John Edwards needs to apologize for your comments.

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RE: The Double Standard rears it's head - 3/4/2007 11:46:44 AM

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Yeah, there does seem to be a lot of anti-semitism in the left wingers for some reason.
I wonder where that comes from?
I was reading an article written by a psychiatrist about politics one time back in the 90's and she used the term "cognitive dissonance" (SP?) in describing Hillary Clinton.
And "pathological liar" was used to describe her husband Bill.
Man, having those two in the White House was just like having Jim and Tammy Faye Baker in the White House! "White Trash Politicians."
Ever notice that one of the adjectives that's *never* used to describe Bill Clinton is "Gentleman?"
Oh, and Dick Morris said she once called him a "fuckin Jew bastard"- that anti-semitism again!
Evidently Hillary Clinton has quite the temper!
They should have made a movie about the Clintons; "The Beverly Hillbillies Go To Yale!"
I don't consider "Yale" an "Ivy League" school anymore. Just look at some of their "Alumni." Fuckin Kooks!
The next thing you know "Yale" will be hiring "Perfessor" Ward "TONTO" Churchill.

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RE: The Double Standard rears it's head - 3/4/2007 12:02:48 PM

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LOLOLOLOL.....point well taken. i'll call John and see if i can't get him to put in a good word for me. Your sense of humor is cool and it's great when people with very differing opinions and views can debate without fighting. i do see your point and there was certainly no offense intended (at least not with that one particular remark..lol) but i think it must be obvious to you that i am FAR from a bigot and i certainly do NOT characterize anyone who disagrees with me (or the "lib line" as defective). i couldn't help but be sarcastic toward ol' Annie in my first post - it's just me - just who i am (plus, i'd get soundly ejected from the pinko, Commie Lib club if i didn't rag on her, right? lol). Thanks for the great post - it really got my blood pumpin'. Peace......slave luci

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RE: The Double Standard rears it's head - 3/4/2007 12:08:01 PM

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Glad you took my reply in the spirit it was intended. There are some I've been sparring with here for a long time who never seem to get that I'm smiling while I type.

Welcome to the boards, hope to see more of your ideas brought to the table.

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RE: The Double Standard rears it's head - 3/4/2007 12:23:32 PM

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Thanks for the welcome, WyrdRich. i most definitely took it in the spirit it was intended. When i read that you thought John Edwards should apologize for MY comments, i actually laughed out loud. That makes about as much sense as people thinking other conservatives or Republicans should apologize for Ann Coulter's. i have very vehement feelings about lots of issues concerning politics, current events, etc. but i do pride myself on loving to hear all sides of a debate, no matter how much i may end up disagreeing. As they say, "it is better to debate a question without settling it, than to settle it without debating it." When we decide our "opponents," so to speak, should have no voice, we have crossed a very ugly, dangerous line. And, hey - why would i want to silence Bill O'Reilly? i love watching Fox News Channel just to get the ol' blood flowin' better .

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RE: The Double Standard rears it's head - 3/4/2007 12:58:01 PM

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…Ann Coulter spoke saying, “I was going to have a few comments on the other Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards, but it turns out you have to go into rehab if you use the word ‘faggot,’ so I — so kind of an impasse, can’t really talk about Edwards.”

I think there's a bit of difference between using insulting descriptives, however accurate or not they may be, and pejoratives of the N-word species. If she had dismissed Edwards with a racial epithet her offence would be clear (I would hope). Faggot does not have precisely the same meaning as homosexual, even if both words may apply to the same people.

Harsh words fly on both sides of the divide and this case hardly proves universal leftwing hypocrisy when it comes to the use of loaded language, as the title of this post suggests. Coulter thrives on being offensive and clearly intended to be highly inflamatory with this comment, why should anyone be surprised when people take offence at her choice of words? That smack hypocrisy itself.

As for the term PC – that is so overused it no longer has real meaning beyond “don’t ask me to think about what I am saying”.

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RE: The Double Standard rears it's head - 3/4/2007 1:13:31 PM

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Strange ... when a liberal comedian trashes the non-liberal side of the house, insults people's religion, uses scatological references to demean others in a "humorous" way, you all laugh.

But when a comedian from the right even approaches doing something similar, you guys get all defensive and outraged.

I think her comments were offensive. But I also think they were funny as hell, in the same way that George Carlin or Al Franken or Bill Mahr is sometimes funny as hell, but offense as hell too.

FirmKY

edited to add: Not necessarily directed to Zensee

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RE: The Double Standard rears it's head - 3/4/2007 1:19:16 PM

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Why don't the Dems have to line up to apologize for every nasty insult hurled at Bush?

Why? Because your shrub EARNED them.

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RE: The Double Standard rears it's head - 3/4/2007 1:34:24 PM

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I'm not sure if you are missing the point, Zensee, or very intentionally stepping around it. It isn't about whether offensive language was used (that is part and parcel of modern American political discourse), but why candidates with an "R" are expected to condemn it, while those with a "D" can just stand there and smirk.

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RE: The Double Standard rears it's head - 3/4/2007 1:43:57 PM

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quote:

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…Ann Coulter spoke saying, “I was going to have a few comments on the other Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards, but it turns out you have to go into rehab if you use the word ‘faggot,’ so I — so kind of an impasse, can’t really talk about Edwards.”

I think there's a bit of difference between using insulting descriptives, however accurate or not they may be, and pejoratives of the N-word species. If she had dismissed Edwards with a racial epithet her offence would be clear (I would hope). Faggot does not have precisely the same meaning as homosexual, even if both words may apply to the same people.

Harsh words fly on both sides of the divide and this case hardly proves universal leftwing hypocrisy when it comes to the use of loaded language, as the title of this post suggests. Coulter thrives on being offensive and clearly intended to be highly inflamatory with this comment, why should anyone be surprised when people take offence at her choice of words? That smack hypocrisy itself.

As for the term PC – that is so overused it no longer has real meaning beyond “don’t ask me to think about what I am saying”.

Z.

Indeed she does thrive on being offensive and of course she intended to be inflammatory and draw attention to herself. That's what she does - that's what she needs. i mean, look at how everyone has responded. Last week, no one was on TV going on and on about her. Today, they are. She knows what accomplishes her mission. She is a shrewd gal. i actually have to admit that i agree with SOME of what she says. i mean, the crack about people having to go into rehab for saying "faggot" is true. It just happened! In my earlier post, i talked about how ridiculous i feel that is when people are expected to go be "reprogrammed" and then apologize for everything they say that others consider offensive. So, on that point right there, i totally agree with her. i actually read her latest book, "Godless" and have to admit that the chapter she wrote about teachers really struck some chords with me as well. She is far from ignorant, just pretty intolerant most times. And as for the term "PC," yes, as i typed that i thought about what an obsolete term it already is. Doesn't really have any real meaning anymore. Interesting points, Zensee.........slave luci

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RE: The Double Standard rears it's head - 3/4/2007 1:48:45 PM

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I'm not sure if you are missing the point, Zensee, or very intentionally stepping around it. It isn't about whether offensive language was used (that is part and parcel of modern American political discourse), but why candidates with an "R" are expected to condemn it, while those with a "D" can just stand there and smirk.

Why....that's because everyone knows that all candidates with an "R" are the paragons of virtue and the moral guardians of our country while all those with a "D" are smartass, morally void atheistic heathens who uphold the use of any and all offensive language (as long as it's not directed toward them or another "D.") Right?

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RE: The Double Standard rears it's head - 3/4/2007 2:09:43 PM

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I don't believe I was sidestepping, Rich, but adding a perspective.

There is ofensive language and then there is offensive language. In this case Coulter's is a notch above merely heated. I am certain if a liberal commentator had used such an epithet at a Democrat rally there would have been solid condemnation as well. Perhaps you have a specific counterexample. So far all I have seen is generalities that apply equally to both sides.

To put things in another perspective, there is only one person, in the article, actually calling for a blanket condemnation of Coulters comments by the R candidates. It's not like the left rose with one voice, demanding the right take back every nasty thing ever said about the Dems. This thread seems to be wanting to inflate the incident not to mention twist it to look one sided.

IMHO.

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RE: The Double Standard rears it's head - 3/4/2007 2:15:48 PM

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I had a wide variety of links to choose from Zensee, I just grabbed one. If you would care to test that, I did an AOL search with the terms "Coulter, Edwards, f*****, and condemn." The demands are pretty widespread. And the Kerry/Goldberg example was specific.

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RE: The Double Standard rears it's head - 3/4/2007 2:36:39 PM

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Indeed she does thrive on being offensive and of course she intended to be inflammatory and draw attention to herself.

Perhaps she intended to be "outrageously funny"?

However, even accepting your description ... how is that any different from Al Franken?

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