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RE: New Warheads: America the hypocrites - 3/15/2007 8:34:14 AM

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Continue.....Poland would not, for a number of reasons and could not attack Hitler, they were not prepared for a war against Germany, did not have the means nor the military might Germany had. Your pre-emptive explanation is ....nothing. If Poland did attack Hitler they would have been so defeated, oblierated, that they wouldn't even be on the map....er, I think that was the case anyhow. They did however, after Germany's invasion, seek to protect there homeland and retake possession of it, battled to drive the German forces out. France did not off resistance to Hitler, rather supported their invasion, the French were sold cooperation was the best policy, no country was more miltarily armed to the teeth than Germany. Resistance was futile.

Human Nature.......Hitler and Mother Theresa, and in between; com'on, give it a rest, no back peddling here. You stated you believe we are all, a potential Hilter or M.T.; what is that? So, I guess we all are then on the brink of attacking each other like animals; only law keeps the masses from running rampant in the streets? Is that it?

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RE: New Warheads: America the hypocrites - 3/15/2007 12:47:40 PM

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ferryman777:
What you say about Poland is true....but that being said the poles did a pretty credible job with what they had. The defense of Poland was suppose to be guaranteed by France and England who failed to show up and fullfill their treaty obligations. They were pretty sure that Germany would turn east and take on Russia. Thus by sacrificing Poland they could get the two major thorns in their ass to fight each other and be quit with two assholes with only the loss of Poland. The down side of this was that the poles destroyed a third of Hitlers armour. Thus slowing the attack on Russia by several months. Then the russians refused to roll over and play dead and proceeded to kick the shit out of Germany. If it wer'nt for the polish airforce the germans would have been successful in the battle of britain. The polish squadrons who flew for the RAF had some of the highest kill ratios of the war. The polish navy and airforce managed to escape pretty much intact...the polish army on the other hand was decimated but it was not exactly a free lunch for Hitler.
I agree with you that a first strike by Poland could not have been successful with out France and England being in on it. On the other hand if France and England had honored their obligations and done it in a timely fashion Hitler could have been stopped in Poland.
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RE: New Warheads: America the hypocrites - 3/15/2007 1:12:07 PM

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I see that you also have a lot of trouble supporting your wild, unfounded claims. Every book and website out there says you're full of it...
You have read every book and website out there....oh come on even someone as highly educated as you are could not possibly have done that.

and all you have is your word, pulled right out of your ass.
And just how did you acquire such intimate knowledge of my asshole?

Why do you two even bother, when your obvious lies and distortions rip apart any credibility that you may have had. Bush bashers are liars,
You know all bush bashers? You seem to be saying that the majority of americans are liers since the majority do not agree with bush & co.

that's the message you send.
The message I send is that warmongers out of uniform need to go down to their local recruiting office and sign up.
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50million is pure fantasy and anyone with half a brain should be able to work out with readily available data that is nothing but idiotic propaganda that only the gulible will swallow. The height of the camp system only saw a population of 2.5 million inmates.

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RE: New Warheads: America the hypocrites - 3/15/2007 1:28:04 PM

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The Ebay thing was a 'stand alone' statement, nothing to do with the Iraq and pre-emptive anything, a stand alone injection... etc, etc, etc.

Nothing penetrates your ideological filter does it?

I am getting tired of repeating myself so this will be the last time. I have not dodged the pre-emptive strike issue. Go back and read my posts and you should see that. I have repeatedly made it clear that I do not consider the concept of a pre-emptive strike to always be justified or moral but that just keeps flying over your head. You prattle on and on about Bush and Iraq, making statements that I often agree with (follow the money? Politicians lying to further their agenda? Those are not Earth shattering revelations – they are a given) but you are determined to create a false image of me (an image so far off base as to be utterly laughable) and then attack that image. I ambushed the bully? Where did that come from? If you go back and read my posts on pages nine and ten, you’ll find nothing in there about an ambush. That could have only come from your own fevered imagination. Same thing with the Post Office and Ebay. So Ebay advertises with the Post Office. So what? Companies advertise all the time. They pick and choose different venues depending upon their advertising budget and their target audience. There is nothing nefarious about advertising in and of itself. My company advertises, that does not make us evil. As for hidden taxes, there are hidden taxes everywhere (again, not an Earth shattering revelation).

You seem unable to divorce emotion from intellect, unable to look things from a perceptive of pure reason and unable to focus in on the pertinent. All you do is mock and ask irrelevant questions. Your comments about Poland and Germany are evident of that. The question I posed wasn’t whether or not Poland would have succeeded with a pre-emptive strike, but whether or not they would have been justified in launching one. You are the one who jumped (with no evidence) to the conclusion that I thought a pre-emptive strike on Poland’s part would have succeeded (I don't). This is exactly what I am talking about when I say "following the scripts."

As far as I can tell from your posts this is not about intellectual debate for you. It is not about challenging your own preconceptions and maybe learning something new (and maybe teaching somebody else something new). It is about you not being able to handle the concept that somebody might actually disagree with you about something (I thought Lordandmaster had that problem but you’re like him on steroids). It is about you blowing a gasket over somebody challenging (or merely appearing to challenge) your world view. If you don’t want your world view challenged, why are you on the message boards in the first place?

Well, I’ll only bang my head against a brick wall so many times before I realize that the only thing I am accomplishing is to give myself a headache. Because I have better things to do with my time, and for the sake of keeping my blood pressure down, I feel I have no choice but to declare you persona non grata.

Despite everything, I bear you no real ill will. Peace, health and happiness to you and yours.

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RE: New Warheads: America the hypocrites - 3/15/2007 2:24:30 PM

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The message I send is that warmongers out of uniform need to go down to their local recruiting office and sign up.
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RE: New Warheads: America the hypocrites - 3/15/2007 4:15:05 PM

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I agree with you that a first strike by Poland could not have been successful with out France and England being in on it. On the other hand if France and England had honored their obligations and done it in a timely fashion Hitler could have been stopped in Poland.
thompson

It would have been great if Britain had honoured their treaty obligations but there was only one problem with that......Britain didn't have an army to talk about. It had a navy and a world class air defence but alas, no army. The French however, did but alas..........their generals still thought they were fighting WWI!

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RE: New Warheads: America the hypocrites - 3/15/2007 9:48:07 PM

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I agree with you that a first strike by Poland could not have been successful with out France and England being in on it. On the other hand if France and England had honored their obligations and done it in a timely fashion Hitler could have been stopped in Poland.
thompson

It would have been great if Britain had honoured their treaty obligations but there was only one problem with that......Britain didn't have an army to talk about. It had a navy and a world class air defence but alas, no army. The French however, did but alas..........their generals still thought they were fighting WWI!

meatcleaver:
I agree that Britain had a pretty small army at the time but a co ordinated ground sea and air attack on Germany most likely would have had some significant effect on the German attack. They did not and for the reasons I suggested this encouraged Hitler to continue with his plan to wheel eastward into Russia.
It seems to me pretty clear, with the advantage of 20/20 hind sight and some of the data that has surfaced with the passage of so much time, that their plan all along was to trade Poland for an all out slugfest between Russia and Germany which the west hoped would weaken them both and save the west from having to spend very much blood to mop up the residue.
Imagine the effect the mass of a military the size of Germany and Russia combined would have had against western Europe. Two socialist countries seperated by the thinnist of idealogical lines.
Look at the U.S. today, buddy buddy with the so called evil empires of Russia and China. All it seems to take to change an enemy to an ally are a few photo ops and a string of hamburger stands. Orwell's 1984 never seemed so current.
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RE: New Warheads: America the hypocrites - 3/16/2007 2:08:30 AM

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I agree that Britain had a pretty small army at the time but a co ordinated ground sea and air attack on Germany most likely would have had some significant effect on the German attack. They did not and for the reasons I suggested this encouraged Hitler to continue with his plan to wheel eastward into Russia.
It seems to me pretty clear, with the advantage of 20/20 hind sight and some of the data that has surfaced with the passage of so much time, that their plan all along was to trade Poland for an all out slugfest between Russia and Germany which the west hoped would weaken them both and save the west from having to spend very much blood to mop up the residue.

Yep. Poland was abandoned. I think it was Churchill who said, Poland was trapped between two mad dogs and it had the misfortune of being a bone. Europe was scared of another WWI but allowing events to happen created WWII. The lack of a British army betrays the fact Britain had no intention of intervention in a European war....that is until they had no choice because they were near the top of the German shopping list.

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Look at the U.S. today, buddy buddy with the so called evil empires of Russia and China. All it seems to take to change an enemy to an ally are a few photo ops and a string of hamburger stands. Orwell's 1984 never seemed so current.
thompson

Everyone is friends while there is enough candy to go round, the thing is, we already know the candy is in limited supply. Sooner or later they'll all be sweating over who is going to be the first to make a grab for the bag and run.

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RE: New Warheads: America the hypocrites - 3/16/2007 7:29:57 AM

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Q; What's Newspeak for "If you don't agree with me then you have no right to practice free speech"?
Sanity:
You have an absolute right to free speach...no matter how assinine, ill informed, or ludicrous your opinion may be.
I just enjoy pointing out how assinine, ill informed and ludicrous your opinions are. Have you gone down and enlisted in the military yet? I realize it is soooo much easier and safer to call people cowards than to put yourself in harms way to substantiate your point of view.
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The message I send is that warmongers out of uniform need to go down to their local recruiting office and sign up.
thompson