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RE: -Vista, fine print. - 3/5/2007 11:38:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yes including the open source implementations. The fact is that the open source projects are still hosted on websites that someone is responsible for. The authors of that software are known or can be discovered. Therefore anyone who wants to flaunt a letter from the RIAA is looking at losing everything they own.

With the RIAA now getting financial and political support from the movie industry you can be sure that anyone who openly supports illegal electronic media distribution is in deep trouble.

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RE: -Vista, fine print. - 3/5/2007 11:56:21 AM   
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They day I buy a PC with anything installed on it, is the day I give up my Geek Association of America pocket protector up.

 
Having my built my Pc's from indivadial components to fully suit my spec, I fully understand your point. Although i was looking at laptops the other day. I found with certain well known makes of laptops, that the only back up and support you get is on a Cd/Dvd with ghost image on. Thus the only source for drivers is with in the ghost image, and if you install the ghost image it installs the operating system, drivers and other default software. Sony being one of the problem laptop brands. I will only buy a laptop at this stage if it was running under WinXp or has seperate install disks, giving me the ability to install to my own specs.
 
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ORIGINAL: Stephann
The fault doesn't lie with Microsoft, that they did a good job with selling a tricky system. The fault lies in the consumers forking out billions of dollars for half-finished garbage that says 'all in one.'  We see the same thing in 'Lunchables' posing as a substitute for a genuinely nutritious lunch.  I wonder if people even know how to -slice- cheese anymore.

 
I agree, if people are willing to settle for the first product they come across, with out opening there eye's to the alternatives then they are part to blame. As i've already said there are alternative operating systems out there, in fact i believe some have a £ 0.00p price tag inopposed to the triple figure sum that microsoft charge.
 
Half the problem is lack of awareness of alternatives and the partnership of the major Pc manufacters and Microsoft. Plus the perportion software devlopers, designing there software for the Microsoft market.

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RE: -Vista, fine print. - 3/5/2007 12:27:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen

Yes including the open source implementations. The fact is that the open source projects are still hosted on websites that someone is responsible for. The authors of that software are known or can be discovered. Therefore anyone who wants to flaunt a letter from the RIAA is looking at losing everything they own.

With the RIAA now getting financial and political support from the movie industry you can be sure that anyone who openly supports illegal electronic media distribution is in deep trouble.


The failure in that hypothesis being the fact that no mp3 patent license is needed for private, non-commercial activities.

Therefore the source code to LAME will be available. The authors are well known, and the RIAA has no cause to ever serve them with anything.



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RE: -Vista, fine print. - 3/5/2007 2:40:17 PM   
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The failure in that hypothesis being the fact that no mp3 patent license is needed for private, non-commercial activities.

Therefore the source code to LAME will be available. The authors are well known, and the RIAA has no cause to ever serve them with anything.

Are you willing to bet on that?

The fact is that any new version of any MP3 player is going to include rights management or those responsible are going to get sued for maintaining an attractive nuisance or abetting copyright violations. They will lose and they will lose a whole lot of money. Therefore some brain dead open source fanatic will try it, wind up bankrupt and owing the RIAA millions and everyone else will behave.

As a matter of fact it may happen that in the next few months existing sources of MP3 players without rioghts managemnt will be receiving cease and desist letters of their own which means it will be coming out of the various Linux distros and be taken off any legit website. It's really only a matter of when the RIAA's lawyers finish doing the research.

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RE: -Vista, fine print. - 3/5/2007 2:55:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		You do know that the MP3 licensing issue is wholly related to the patent status and has nothing to do with the RIAA? The RIAA might like to treat everyone like a criminal, but we aren't.

Of course, as we see from the deposition of their "Expert" witness, Doug Jacobson

quote:


Q. Has your method of determining from
the MediaSentry materials whether a particular
computer has been used for uploading or downloading
copyrighted works been tested by any testing body?
A. Not that I have submitted.

Q. Do you know anyone else that is using
your method, other than you?
A. Not that I'm aware of.

Q. Has your method of determining
through the MediaSentry materials whether a
particular computer has been used for uploading or
downloading copyrighted works been subjected to any
form of peer review?
A. Not that I'm aware of.

Q. Has your method of determining from
the MediaSentry materials whether a computer has
been used for uploading or downloading copyrighted
works been published?
A. No.

Q. Is there a known rate of error for
your method?
A. No.

Q. Is there a potential rate of error?
MR. GABRIEL: Object to the form.
A. I guess there is always a potential
of an error.

Q. Do you know of a rate of error?
A. To my process, no.

Q. Are there any standards and controls
over what you have done?
A. No.

Q. Have your methods been generally
accepted in the scientific community?
A. The process has not been vetted
through the scientific community.


The RIAA is *fucked* going forward. We see they have no claim.

The whole deposition summarizes thusly:

* The "expert" did about 45 minutes worth of work and produced no evidence to support the allegations and produced almost no documentation.
* The "expert" does not fully understand how the software that gathered the evidence functions
* The "expert" does not know if the information he received from the ISP (Verizon/3rd Party) is accurate.
* The "expert" does not know if the clocks were synchronized between the evidence gatherers and the ISP.
* The "expert" can not identify which computer is involved in the allegations.
* The "expert" can not identity what physical person is involved in the allegations.
* The "expert" understands the Internet is insecure and computers can be taken over and remote controlled.
* The "expert" understands there are several methods which could have mistakenly identified the accused, e.g. "ip spoofing".
* The "expert" either lied under oath or is not really an expert when he said he could not make certain determinations about a computer based soley on the harddrive. He stated he could not tell if the computer had a "wireless network card" by looking soley at the registry without the computer that the registry came from. Huh???? Hint to the "expert", look for "WLAN" in the Registry, double hint, WLAN='Wireless LAN'.
* The "expert" could not demonstrate that the files uploaded/downloaded were copyrighted material and simply had a screen shot of some filenames and ip addresses from a 3rd party.
* The "expert" acknowledged that screenshots could be faked.
* The "expert" acknowledged that public IP addresses can change often and could be spoofed

If the RIAA continues like this, they won't be able to file a suit in any court in the land.

I wouldn't worry about them. The litigation gravy train is coming to a stop.

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RE: -Vista, fine print. - 3/5/2007 3:01:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Ok- on mp3 copywrites.  How about some of us who grew up in the 70s. Bought the 45, the LP, [ill skip the 8 track] cassette. why should we pay yet again the royalties will already bought?  My generation BOUGHT tons of records.

As far as todays music. It sucks.  Im stuck in the 80s.


The RIAA (Recording Industry Association of America) doesn't care if you paid for it previously. They want to make it illegal to put on your computer because they dont trust that you wont share it to other people who didn't pay.
That's the foundation of their entire argument against the technology.

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RE: -Vista, fine print. - 3/5/2007 3:06:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Ok- on mp3 copywrites. How about some of us who grew up in the 70s. Bought the 45, the LP, [ill skip the 8 track] cassette. why should we pay yet again the royalties will already bought? My generation BOUGHT tons of records.

As far as todays music. It sucks. Im stuck in the 80s.


The RIAA (Recording Industry Association of America) doesn't care if you paid for it previously. They want to make it illegal to put on your computer because they dont trust that you wont share it to other people who didn't pay.
That's the foundation of their entire argument against the technology.



When they've been blown out of court so hard, they're not allowed back in all that is moot.

And that day should be in a few months, considering the ass-reaming their expert witness is going to take on the stand, and apparently the people in the suit will *NOT* settle. They want a judgment to establish precedent, then in the future, victims can just move for a summary dismissal with prejudice based on the existing precedent.

It looks like the avg. RIAA-mafia payoff is about 4,500 a person. That's really profitable, but as we've seen, they don't really have a case, and it's going to be litigated to the gristly end for the RIAA. They're already paying damages to victims in other litigation, so it's just a matter of time.

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RE: -Vista, fine print. - 3/5/2007 3:09:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: cyberdude611

quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Ok- on mp3 copywrites. How about some of us who grew up in the 70s. Bought the 45, the LP, [ill skip the 8 track] cassette. why should we pay yet again the royalties will already bought? My generation BOUGHT tons of records.

As far as todays music. It sucks. Im stuck in the 80s.


The RIAA (Recording Industry Association of America) doesn't care if you paid for it previously. They want to make it illegal to put on your computer because they dont trust that you wont share it to other people who didn't pay.
That's the foundation of their entire argument against the technology.


Yeah, well, *I* recorded this music, so *I* hold the copyright, so they can fuck off. They don't get to express an opinion, and therein is the fault of their argument. They *don't* represent those they supposedly represent.

Maybe it is just jealousy. Conning people out of 4500 bucks at a time is a pretty sweet scam.

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RE: -Vista, fine print. - 3/5/2007 3:09:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		The biggest problem the RIAA will have is Linux. It is an open-source operating system with no company, organization, or person controlling it. And these days, it has become increasingly easy to use and switch between OSs.

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RE: -Vista, fine print. - 3/5/2007 3:09:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am on my new computer...with Vista...having no problems...love it.

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RE: -Vista, fine print. - 3/5/2007 3:15:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: cyberdude611

The biggest problem the RIAA will have is Linux. It is an open-source operating system with no company, organization, or person controlling it. And these days, it has become increasingly easy to use and switch between OSs.


Actually, the biggest problem they will have is the large awards they will have to pay to the defendants in their litigation once their predatory litigation practices become part of the record.

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070222-8902.html

They're fucking toast.



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RE: -Vista, fine print. - 3/5/2007 6:00:43 PM   
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I've been around a while.  I've been a beta tester for Microsoft at times.  I know the project managers personally on many of the products windows develop.

After being around through many, many releases.  Everything Microsoft releases is a pile of crap.  HOWEVER, they get feedback from a large chunk of the population and they are ever fixing it.
We have never wanted to upgrade from one OS to the other because of the problems associated with it.  Yet, they work them out for us while the OS is on our pc's.
3.1 was a piece of crap back then...so was 95 and 98, ME and XP.
Give it a few month's and I'm sure it will be good to go on anyone's pc.



3.1,  95 and me always were a pile of shit and pre 3.1 versions were a fucking joke.  Lately its nearly the same shit with a new paint job, business use w2k games xp done.

i tell my customers dont even think about it till service pack 2 LOL
vista gonna be a huge flop in business and techie arena imo


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