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RE: WWF D/s style? - 4/11/2007 4:31:56 AM

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Why do I now feel as though I should run out and find someone to give me lessons?

Hehe. It shouldn't be too hard to find someone to do that. Just take it the same way you would anything else: check it out, think about it, see if it works for you, and bear in mind that there are many different approaches out there.

Of course, approaching a martial arts instructor and asking him straight off if he could teach you how to do a better job with the whip or whatnot is probably not the most prudent course of action, although you might be able to find one that approves of your choices in this regard.

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I was under the impression that the principal teachings of martial arts are discapline and self defense....was I mistaken?

This depends entirely on the martial art..

In Sayoc Kali, the principal teaching is to kill with the knife, without hesitation, ideally to preserve your own life, although it unfortunately also works excellently for assault.

In Japanese koryu (old-school) martial arts, discipline, mental/spiritual refinement and combat-oriented body dynamics are the principal components.

It will vary from art to art.

My own experience has primarily been with Wado ryu and with the X-kans. The former emphasizes discipline and self-defense, as you said. The latter is my preference, or rather one of them, and they emphasize mental/spiritual refinement, formal etiquette, body dynamics, anatomy and (most importantly) the ideal of perseverance under any conditions, not limited to self-defense.

Most modern dojos tend to focus a lot on techniques and repetition, in my experience, and many are more sport-oriented and less dedicated, again IME.

Some, however, stick to the approach of focusing on learning by doing, mastering one's body, building body dynamics, familiarity with the mindspace, control over the opponent, and so forth.

Learning to understand another person's body, and how you can interact with it, as well as how to use your own, can be incredibly useful in a BDSM context. Learning how to score points or beat someone up is generally not.

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RE: WWF D/s style? - 4/11/2007 2:21:43 PM

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Hehe. It shouldn't be too hard to find someone to do that. Just take it the same way you would anything else: check it out, think about it, see if it works for you, and bear in mind that there are many different approaches out there.

You must mean the way I should approach anything else…. ;)

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Of course, approaching a martial arts instructor and asking him straight off if he could teach you how to do a better job with the whip or whatnot is probably not the most prudent course of action, although you might be able to find one that approves of your choices in this regard.

I don’t suppose explaining I need a few quick lessons off the bat for a certain wrestling match would get me far either… unless of course they have a great sense of humor and are amused by the idea…. smiles

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This depends entirely on the martial art..

I probably should have realized this on my own, but then, I would have missed the opportunity for this pleasant and informative exchange. :)

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My own experience has primarily been with Wado ryu and with the X-kans. The former emphasizes discipline and self-defense, as you said. The latter is my preference, or rather one of them, and they emphasize mental/spiritual refinement, formal etiquette, body dynamics, anatomy and (most importantly) the ideal of perseverance under any conditions, not limited to self-defense.

Are these not mostly forms of self “discipline”?I have contemplated what I refer to as energy exchange, in D/s, I don’t know how you feel about the idea, or what you might call it, if you agree it exists, but if you understand what I am talking about, would you say that any of the examples you have given, would assist in strengthening said exchange?

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Learning to understand another person's body, and how you can interact with it, as well as how to use your own, can be incredibly useful in a BDSM context. Learning how to score points or beat someone up is generally not.

I am curious (what’s new?)… would you say it is beneficial in serving one’s owner, for a sub to learn martial arts? If so, in what ways?

If you don’t mind, examples are easier for me to relate to. Thank you.

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RE: WWF D/s style? - 4/11/2007 3:51:34 PM

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You must mean the way I should approach anything else…. ;)

Obviously.

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I don’t suppose explaining I need a few quick lessons off the bat for a certain wrestling match would get me far either… unless of course they have a great sense of humor and are amused by the idea…. smiles

Again, depends entirely on the instructor. If I had enough skills to teach you any more than a few basic tricks, I'd be willing to do so for such a purpose. I'm not so sure my sensei would approve of our lifestyle choices, however.

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I probably should have realized this on my own, but then, I would have missed the opportunity for this pleasant and informative exchange. :)

Indeed.

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Are these not mostly forms of self “discipline”?I have contemplated what I refer to as energy exchange, in D/s, I don’t know how you feel about the idea, or what you might call it, if you agree it exists, but if you understand what I am talking about, would you say that any of the examples you have given, would assist in strengthening said exchange?

Mental/spiritual refinement (seishin-teki kyoyo) is related to improving yourself as a person, not just in the dojo, but in the outside world as well. Formal etiquette is mostly useful for establishing an in-mode, kind of like subspace, as well as making sure stuff is organized and nobody gets hurt (the X-kans use full-contact for all training). Body dynamics is about understanding, not just on a conscious level, how your body works and can work, as well as expanding your repertoire of ways to use your body. Anatomy is knowledge of the other person's body. The concept of Nin (usually translated as perseverance) is rather encompassing, and is a philosophy of thriving on challenges and adversity while never giving up.

As for your questions about energy exchange, please PM me. The different X-kans have different philosophies in this regard, and I would rather not disclose personal information, or anything that ties directly to my dojo, online.

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I am curious (what’s new?)… would you say it is beneficial in serving one’s owner, for a sub to learn martial arts? If so, in what ways?

Well, first off, there's the bit about how the stronger the sub is, the stronger the gesture of submission is.

Secondly, it gives you a different awareness of your body and how it works, including the signals you give off, as well as helping to strengthen your self-control and discipline.

Third, anyone is vulnerable to being the target of violence, whether in playing with others, or just walking down a dark street or whatnot. I'd feel a lot better knowing that my sub is aware of her surroundings and potential threats, as well as being able to deal with them if they should materialize. For instance, nephandi is easily able to avoid people trying to grab or restrain her, and has successfully used this knowledge with a person that tried to get her. The person rapidly backed away, which is quite common, as assailants frequently pick targets that are weak, and there are always other "fish" in the ocean; as the guy tying up his shoelaces said to the other guy running from the bear: "I don't have to outrun the bear, I just have to outrun you".

Anyway, as I said, feel free to PM me.

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