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RE: Hair Pulling - 3/7/2007 9:33:09 AM   
DominaSmartass


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I enjoy guys who have enough hair to be grabbed. Unfortunately my boyfriend prefers his ridiculously short. I'm going to have to make him change that eventually.

It's funny, cause when I first got into the online scene and saw the term "hair pulling" I thought people were talking about actually pulling their hair out. That is something quite different.

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RE: Hair Pulling - 3/7/2007 9:34:46 AM   
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i think my hair is long enough to be pulled. :)

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RE: Hair Pulling - 3/7/2007 9:41:54 AM   
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Hair pulling is fun. I love to have my slaves hair down and pull it in the doggy style position, spooning, missionary, pretty much all postions. Then you can have her put her hair up in diffrent ways for diffrent hand holds!!!!

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RE: Hair Pulling - 3/7/2007 9:46:05 AM   
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Oh, I like that.

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RE: Hair Pulling - 3/7/2007 9:50:08 AM   
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i love my hair being pulled i miss my long long hair i used to have but lost a bet and shaved my head i hadnt had a hiar cut in 13 years untill 3 years ago LOL

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RE: Hair Pulling - 3/7/2007 10:26:34 AM   
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I'm with all those who swoon at the thought of their Dominant’s fingers running up the nape of their neck and feeling that fist close around a handful of their hair.  Of course I'm always submissive to mine...but...there are certain things that sort of reiterate my focus on Him; hair pulling would be one.
 
To the folks who don’t ‘get it’…there is an art to hair-pulling.  It’s got to begin close to the scalp…and generally should include a good amount of hair in the pull.  Small amounts of hair yanked, especially some distance from the head, is just plain ol’ irritating.  For those who don’t understand it, I’m guessing they’ve not experienced the strong, steady, controlling ‘Grab’.  Yummmmmmmmmm!
 
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RE: Hair Pulling - 3/7/2007 10:26:36 AM   
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Merc, you're a fucking New Yorker, are you trying to tell me that your mood doesn't change?  That some days you aren't the indifferent "I have seen it all" urbanite and others you want to suck every drop of experience out of life?


Mike,
Are you stereotyping me now that we've had a chance to talk?

I'll tell you what was going through my mind when I made that post and it has nothing to do with "mood".

When we chatted yesterday we both agreed that, although there is a place and activity where "head bobbers" are fun to have around, it is far more educational and intellectually stimulating to debate issues where you are in disagreement. I took this thread as a opportunity to test my strong belief that it is damn difficult if not nearly impossible to have a 24/7 Master/slave relationship dynamic while the submissive serves anther "master". The definition of "master" assumed to be a commitment, such as schooling, job, career, family, that takes priority over the "Master" in the M/s relationship.

Posts to this thread seem to support that contention. The best direct example;with the on-point statements high-lighted::

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ownedgirlie: ...in reply to your question of living as I am, this is why I do envy those slaves who can stay at home and focus solely on serving their Masters.  Part of my serving means excelling at work, which means managing projects and people...part of my serving means excelling in school which means researching and holding my instructors to what they promise.  Since I am required to stand as an equal to others yet to be small before him, there can be internal conflict to deal with, and when I am in his presence the real me breathes this huge sigh of relief as the other persona washes away.  Hard to explain.  So no, these actions do not "trigger" my submission - my submission to him is always there.  But when life is spinning around me, they sometimes seem to bring me back home to him.


There was no "qualitative" good/better/best and no reference to "real" or "true" in my questioning post. I wanted a challenge or perspective to come up that I didn't consider in coming to my opinion that a mind, inherently distracted by outside commitments and responsibilities, is a major hurdle to maintaining a 24/7 mindset. 

Before beth, in contemplation of such a relationship, I felt I would be setting the slave up for failure if I expected her to be always of a submissive mindset, but have a dominant persona required to master another part of her life. I knew what I wanted and would demand. As much as I required a strong, confident, and intelligent partner; I selfishly wanted all that focused on me. I wanted the "surrender" to mean something, and have value to her. Once I confirmed that it existed and she understood her responsibilities as well as mine, I acted upon my assumption. My opinion is that our relationship works because we planned to succeed, and a big part of that was that beth would only need to focus on serving one Master - Me. Nothing I have observed, read, or heard about has moved me to change my position.

Sure moods change, a person and a couples dynamic is not static. Once self realization is obtained and you identify as a submissive the process has not ended. It really has just started. In my case, I always encourage and facilitate the process of beth "going deeper". The reality is the relationship also goes deeper, and I along with it. Some days the progress occurs in inches, some days much more progress is made. In either case, if an outside 'master' resulted in even one spoonful of progress to be lost it would be counter productive to our goal. Better to remove the possibility and as a result, require fewer "triggers".  

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RE: Hair Pulling - 3/7/2007 10:32:40 AM   
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Bondage porn star Ashley Renee was in a movie called "The Fine Art of Hairpulling" under the name Micki Marsaille. Maybe someone has a copy somewhere that folks might like.

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RE: Hair Pulling - 3/7/2007 10:35:06 AM   
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quote:

Mike,
Are you stereotyping me now that we've had a chance to talk?


Hell no, I was simply trying to relate..I am working on a longer response but I wanted to say this asap.

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RE: Hair Pulling - 3/7/2007 10:38:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Bearlee
 
To the folks who don’t ‘get it’…there is an art to hair-pulling.  It’s got to begin close to the scalp…and generally should include a good amount of hair in the pull.  Small amounts of hair yanked, especially some distance from the head, is just plain ol’ irritating. 


thanks for pointing that out.  I have long hair, and not only that, I have a ton of hair too.  a few hairs stuck underneath his shoulder...ouchie.  a handful of hair, yanked at the ends, will send me to the ER with a helluva case of whiplash.  now, a handful of hair, properly pulled, is very much something I enjoy.  unless, of course, I have pms, which means that even brushing my own hair is painful.

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RE: Hair Pulling - 3/7/2007 10:45:57 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

I took this thread as a opportunity to test my strong belief that it is damn difficult if not nearly impossible to have a 24/7 Master/slave relationship dynamic while the submissive serves anther "master". The definition of "master" assumed to be a commitment, such as schooling, job, career, family, that takes priority over the "Master" in the M/s relationship.

There was no "qualitative" good/better/best and no reference to "real" or "true" in my questioning post. I wanted a challenge or perspective to come up that I didn't consider in coming to my opinion that a mind, inherently distracted by outside commitments and responsibilities, is a major hurdle to maintaining a 24/7 mindset. 


Merc, imagine how you would feel if someone dismissed your post with a comment such as "if you can only dom her if you keep her locked up what sort of dom are you really" you might feel what I feel reading your post.  I trust you enough to believe that you don't see the value judgements that I see in your post but trust me almost every line screams a new one at me.

It is however a very interesting thought, one I haven't looked at because the chanced of me making enough at this point in my life to keep a partner at home and not working is slim and none.  If I won the lottery I think I would still have the bitch out working and it would be ME who stayed home! (that's a joke folks!)

For me, I want a woman who is out in the world being powerful, even dominant, over others as it makes the fact that she craves the chance to kneel at my feet all the more special.  I don't however think that makes me more masterful, it just makes me more content.

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RE: Hair Pulling - 3/7/2007 11:21:04 AM   
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I trust you enough to believe that you don't see the value judgments that I see in your post but trust me almost every line screams a new one at me.


Ah, but Mike I do have value judgments; however they only pertain to me and mine. Aren't you posting from a perspective where you have a value judgment regarding your life and relationships? It isn't the same as rationalization, which I detest and try to avoid as much as possible. It is my value based upon judging what I feel is best for me and my "ideal" relationship. Tell me you are not similiarly confident and secure about your vision or "ideal" whether obtained or not?

I don't apply them to anyone else. If you lack confidence or you are insecure in what you are doing to express it confidently in the face of opposition you end up resorting to name calling. Once I get that as a response I take it that the responder can't or don't have an argument against my my point. I speak in "absolutes" for me because I believe I'm absolutely right - until its determined I'm absolutely wrong. When it comes to relationships those "absolutes" only speak to my relationship. But similar to the proof of beth's "no-limits" being impossible since I won't take a chain saw and remove her arm; my "absolutes" concerning our relationship can only be wrong if it fails. If that unforeseen and adverse reality occurs, you can start a "Merc - I told you so!" thread. 

The reality is I seek more invalidation than validation. Tests provide benchmarks for reassessment. In fact I seek to learn from others having as much confidence and "value judgment" associated with their position 180 degrees in opposition. As illustrated:
quote:

For me, I want a woman who is out in the world being powerful, even dominant, over others as it makes the fact that she craves the chance to kneel at my feet all the more special. 
Do you think we were to meet as two couples we could convince either that the other was "wrong"? Hell, I can understand and appreciate the power transfer of such a dynamic. I've participated in sessions with women working on Wall Street in such a position of power and agree - It is a MAJOR head trip. But it was from those experiences that when it came to visioning my "perfect" slave I didn't want to have to work around and live with a Dominant "Dr. Jekyll" who when not focused on the Doctor duties and when time allowed, would become my submissive slave "Ms. hyde".

If my words indicated that beth was only my slave because I keep her "locked up" and isolated, they didn't convey anything resembling reality. I'd dare say, (and beth - you're welcome to contribute) that beth has more "freedom" now than ever before in her life. she's free to be beth. Back in the beginning we bared ourselves and were emotionally 'naked' so each could determine who beth was and who Merc was just so neither could be confronted with a hidden agenda down the road.

However, we both continue to learn, challenge, and test ourselves. Until the day I die I hope we continue to do so and learn something new every day.

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RE: Hair Pulling - 3/7/2007 1:04:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Devilslilsister

What does hair pulling to do you?  Like it, love it, hate it, dont know?  Is there anything else that just drops you into a head space that would do pretty much anything in? 


It does the same as you describe...just like flipping a switch!  i do indeed love it but something i love even more and that even more quickly flips an even more powerful switch is face-slapping.  And when the two are done in combination with Master staring right into my eyes calling me His cunt, WOW!  i go from 0 to 90 in a split second

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RE: Hair Pulling - 3/7/2007 1:28:39 PM   
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Hair pulling, when done correctly makes my entire body tingle sinfully.  *blissful sigh*  Yes, please!

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RE: Hair Pulling - 3/7/2007 1:39:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

Hair pulling, face slapping, spitting, kicking, punching; the list goes on for submissive "triggers". Is it an indication that most of the time there the person isn't submissive and a "trigger" is required? Is it a function of reality where people have to deal with other life responsibilities requiring them to take on a dominant persona and the trigger puts them in a submissive mindset? What is going on in the minds of the submissive the millisecond before a face slap or a hair pull? Are they faking their persona before or afterward?

Okay, I know some are saying its just an erotic aspect of play, but some seem to be saying that it triggers their submission. 

Conversely, do dominants require a trigger? Why don't they? I'll defer to our resident historical archivist, but I don't recall a thread that said; "I don't really feel dominant until I backhand my subs face!"

Doesn't anyone just wake up and live as they are?



Well for me, i'd say wouldnt say it triggers, but it does do something.  A trigger is something that you have to do, to create something.  I say its already in me, but at times i need help bringing it out to the fore front.  Since i do not live with my Master, with out him, my "other" Master is LIFE.  A place that i must be in control to navigate well.  For example, its like driving a car.  If Master isnt around and i am driving, i must be in control of that car.  If Master is around - then he is in control of that car.  i personally, get mixed up trying to switch back and forth.  I will admit that i have "attitudes" or persona's that i take on to help me navigate life.  I can not be the same girl i am around Master that i am with out him.  I USED to "always" be the girl that i am with Master.  It ended with me being taken advantage of, railroaded, hurt, you name it.  So, i had to create a "person" that could prevent all these things from happening.  Is it fake?  i dunno.  Do i need it around Master?  No. 

BUT - i get caught up in it.  Its one of the beauties of the relationship i have with him.  i CAN be myself.  Just sometimes, i forget to be me. 


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RE: Hair Pulling - 3/7/2007 1:56:42 PM   
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Merc,

Okay I get what happened.  You wrote about yourself without all the usual "for me" and "my path" new age stuff that I try to do and so all I heard was "one true way" which I know isn't your style.

I would never start an "I told you so thread", I would grab a fucking shotgun and drag you to into the same room and sit on you guys till you worked it back out. 

As for the freedom you have given beth, I see where you are comming from and I wasn't actually implying you keep her locked up, I was exagerating to make a point about generalizations.  Few of us have the power and ability to make the choices you can and I tried to convey that in my post but I guess it didn't come through.

As for trying to prove you wrong, I would probably be spending more time trying not to be envious!

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RE: Hair Pulling - 3/7/2007 2:53:58 PM   
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I would probably be spending more time trying not to be envious!


Mike,
I don't believe that for a minute!

I also know you didn't think beth was kept under lock and key literally all the time - only sometimes!

On another subject, so sorry my friend but we won't be coming up for the flea market. It's Easter Sunday man! Although I said to beth if we did go up there on Easter I thought she would look great at the event dressed in a little girls Easter outfit complete with the very short crinolined  flare dress, white anklets and gloves, a baby doll bonnet and frilly panties.

However, after a powwow with the adult unmentionables last night they unanimously voted to stay with dad in sunny California versus going back east to be with the ex and the rest of the truly "unmentionables" a/k/a my ex in-laws for Easter.

As we discussed yesterday - lets set a date for CA CM get together. I'll be happy to help put it together either in LA or your neck of the woods. We're very much looking forward to it.

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RE: Hair Pulling - 3/7/2007 3:05:17 PM   
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Hair pulling and face slapping are both huge turn ons for me...nothing makes me feel more rawly submissive...*yum*

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RE: Hair Pulling - 3/7/2007 3:17:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Focus50

Sends my temper and demeanour right off the Richter Scale - I HATE it!!!!  It feels almost like tha bitch is trying to control me or something; totally the WRONG headspace for me 
Focus.


Now I KNOW exactly what you mean, Focus. 
I had that happen to me quite recently.  Had a run in with one of those Doms that think all dominant women are subs in disguise.  He grabbed a handful of my hair and pulled really hard...so I looked at him to assess how I would handle it... knee to the crotch?  (he was wearing a kilt..) Nah, I just reached out and grabbed a fistful of his and twisted it around my hand before yanking twice as hard...  It was quite effective.

And I do have a hair fetish, love the guys with long hair, so nice for pulling...

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RE: Hair Pulling - 3/7/2007 3:20:47 PM   
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Yes Geekygirl-I can agree about the hairpulling-but being new to face slapping--is there a certain amount of pressure to be applied when making the slap-I can see the sudden sharpness of the hit to cause a high-but how hard is hard?

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