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Convicted felony hate crime attackers get probation - 3/6/2007 10:16:19 PM   
BeachMystress


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Usually when a hate crime happens, it is all over the news. We hear about it time and again when it happens and again when the trial against the attackers begins. How many of you have heard of the hate crime that took place in Bixby Park in Long Beach California on Halloween? The victims were three young women. Reports of their injuries straight from the news. "One woman’s face was fractured in 12 spots, her teeth were broken and she’d suffered partial loss of sight in one eye. (She will require surgery to reposition the eye.) Two of the women suffered brain concussions and assorted broken bones after being kicked, punched and even struck by a skateboard wielded as a weapon. These women were in a good neighborhood. This incident will leave lasting psychological scars, as well as the physical ones. All of the perpetrators except one were convicted of of felony assault, with a hate-crime enhancement.
 
Do you know what these attackers were sentenced to; these people convicted of perpetrating a felony hate crime assault? They were ordered to serve 250 hours of community service, 60 days house arrest, and take anger management and racial tolerance programs. Are you as disgusted as I am? Not one day of jail time for people convicted of felony assault leaving one victim partially blind. The LA Weekly (from Feb 23-March 1st page 28) reports that several of the convicted attackers are members of the Long Beach Poly track team and are being allowed to continue participating in the team! I'm beyond disgusted.. I'm appalled! It turns out there there is no rule barring convicted felons from participating on high school sports teams!

There is more to this story- including the odd fact that we didn't hear this on our nightly news. We hear about hate crimes that happen in all parts of the country.. Yet there was nothing on the local nightly news or in most local papers about this event. Read for yourself.

http://www.laweekly.com/news/news/long-beach-hate-crime/15346/?page=1


(Edited for spelling typo)

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RE: Convicted felony hate crime attackers given pro - 3/6/2007 10:20:15 PM   
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I think if I was called to Jury Service, and a case came up where a young lady had shot dead some assailants like these, in a similar situation, assuming the facts are as represented, I wouldn't indict or convict 'em for shooting the scumbags dead.

In fact, it might even be called "Homicide in the public interest". I wonder why the young ladies weren't armed in the first place, however. State School? They have crazy anti-2nd Amendment rules there generally.

I would hope that my daughter would ignore a rule like that, and ensure her safety first.

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RE: Convicted felony hate crime attackers given pro - 3/6/2007 10:23:40 PM   
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They were not armed because there were in a "good neighborhood." They were not in some ghetto. The average home listing price in Bixby Hills is $850,854. Who of us goes armed on a daily basis near our homes? Personally, I'm never armed with more than a whip..

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RE: Convicted felony hate crime attackers given pro - 3/6/2007 10:35:39 PM   
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"Who of us goes armed on a daily basis?"

Every cop.

If it's such a bad idea, why does EVERY COP carry?

Vermont has it down right. New York, not so much.



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RE: Convicted felony hate crime attackers given pro - 3/6/2007 10:39:49 PM   
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You know the answer to your question.
From the article...

Farai Chideya asked three prominent black guests whether, in fact, blacks can be blamed for hate crimes at all.  ( bold added)

Said Chideya: “. . . some people say black folks cannot be racist because the root of the issue is power. So what do you make of this crime where you’ve got 12- to 17-year-olds and, you know, black people attacking whites? Is this a traditional hate crime? Should it be prosecuted as such? People in the community are kind of divided about that.”

When you doubt whether its a hate crime because its black on white then you have exposed the double standard. The liberal media will not rally to this.
I don't believe in "hate" crimes per se as you have to look into someones heart. The crime, in this case assault, should be the issue. The penalty seems light. Hopefully they get Ron Goldman's version of justice, sue'm for huge dollars.

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RE: Convicted felony hate crime attackers get probation - 3/6/2007 10:49:35 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: BeachMystress

Usually when a hate crime happens, it is all over the news. We hear about it time and again when it happens and again when the trial against the attackers begins. How many of you have heard of the hate crime that took place in Bixby Park in Long Beach California on Halloween? The victims were three young women. Reports of their injuries straight from the news. "One woman’s face was fractured in 12 spots, her teeth were broken and she’d suffered partial loss of sight in one eye. (She will require surgery to reposition the eye.) Two of the women suffered brain concussions and assorted broken bones after being kicked, punched and even struck by a skateboard wielded as a weapon. These women were in a good neighborhood. This incident will leave lasting psychological scars, as well as the physical ones. All of the perpetrators except one were convicted of of felony assault, with a hate-crime enhancement.
 
Do you know what these attackers were sentenced to; these people convicted of perpetrating a felony hate crime assault? They were ordered to serve 250 hours of community service, 60 days house arrest, and take anger management and racial tolerance programs. Are you as disgusted as I am? Not one day of jail time for people convicted of felony assault leaving one victim partially blind. The LA Weekly (from Feb 23-March 1st page 28) reports that several of the convicted attackers are members of the Long Beach Poly track team and are being allowed to continue participating in the team! I'm beyond disgusted.. I'm appalled! It turns out there there is no rule barring convicted felons from participating on high school sports teams!

There is more to this story- including the odd fact that we didn't hear this on our nightly news. We hear about hate crimes that happen in all parts of the country.. Yet there was nothing on the local nightly news or in most local papers about this event. Read for yourself.

http://www.laweekly.com/news/news/long-beach-hate-crime/15346/?page=1


(Edited for spelling typo)


Sounds like the good people of Bixby Park need to take up a little collection for the Hell's Angels Morale Fund.
Is Bixby Park near the ocean?
Sharks gotta eat!
I always liked to live close to the ocean.
I live in a nice neighborhood and I carry a gun.

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RE: Convicted felony hate crime attackers given pro - 3/6/2007 10:54:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BeachMystress

They were not armed because there were in a "good neighborhood." They were not in some ghetto. The average home listing price in Bixby Hills is $850,854. Who of us goes armed on a daily basis near our homes? Personally, I'm never armed with more than a whip..


Ive seen robberies committed in all neighborhoods good and bad. Rapes, murders, and kidnappings have all occured in all types of neighborhoods. There is no such thing as a safe neighborhood. At least not anymore. I mean I live in an upscale neighborhood too. And today I was just informed in my area they are looking for a green pickup that attempted to abduct a girl walking home from school.

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RE: Convicted felony hate crime attackers given pro - 3/7/2007 10:07:03 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Sternhand4

You know the answer to your question.
From the article...

Farai Chideya asked three prominent black guests whether, in fact, blacks can be blamed for hate crimes at all.  ( bold added)

Said Chideya: “. . . some people say black folks cannot be racist because the root of the issue is power.

 
Yes, and some people say the moon is made of cheese, too, but that certainly doesn't make it true.  It always blows my mind when people say any group/person cannot be racist because they have no power.  YET....most people you could ask would spout out the stereotype that THE most racist people are poor, backwoods, Southern rednecks.  Where is THEIR power?  You cannot have it both ways.  The only group it is still politically correct to make fun of is rednecks and a big part of what is made fun of about them is their supposed ignorance and their racism.  Yet, they have no real power economically, etc. so HOW could they be racist according to that standard? 
 
So what do you make of this crime where you’ve got 12- to 17-year-olds and, you know, black people attacking whites? Is this a traditional hate crime? Should it be prosecuted as such? People in the community are kind of divided about that.”

Yes, it's a "traditional" hate crime that should be prosecuted as such and the fact that people are divided about it is, to me, ludicrous. 

When you doubt whether its a hate crime because its black on white then you have exposed the double standard.

Amen to that.
 
When whites who hate blacks commit violent crimes against them solely because of their race, that's considered a "hate"crime because it IS.  Yet when blacks commit the same types of violent crimes against whites because they hate them, it's different?  And this is because of this imaginary perception that ALL whites have power and NO blacks do?  Puhleez.  The poor whites living in the trailer park are just as powerless (if not more so) than the poor blacks down in the projects.  To believe otherwise is really naive and to treat the same types of crimes differently because of this misguided belief is an atrocious travesty of justice.......JMHO, slave luci

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RE: Convicted felony hate crime attackers given pro - 3/7/2007 10:38:48 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: slaveluci

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sternhand4

You know the answer to your question.
From the article...

Farai Chideya asked three prominent black guests whether, in fact, blacks can be blamed for hate crimes at all.  ( bold added)

Said Chideya: “. . . some people say black folks cannot be racist because the root of the issue is power.

 
Yes, and some people say the moon is made of cheese, too, but that certainly doesn't make it true.  It always blows my mind when people say any group/person cannot be racist because they have no power.  YET....most people you could ask would spout out the stereotype that THE most racist people are poor, backwoods, Southern rednecks.  Where is THEIR power?  You cannot have it both ways.  The only group it is still politically correct to make fun of is rednecks and a big part of what is made fun of about them is their supposed ignorance and their racism.  Yet, they have no real power economically, etc. so HOW could they be racist according to that standard? 
 
So what do you make of this crime where you’ve got 12- to 17-year-olds and, you know, black people attacking whites? Is this a traditional hate crime? Should it be prosecuted as such? People in the community are kind of divided about that.”

Yes, it's a "traditional" hate crime that should be prosecuted as such and the fact that people are divided about it is, to me, ludicrous. 

When you doubt whether its a hate crime because its black on white then you have exposed the double standard.

Amen to that.
 
When whites who hate blacks commit violent crimes against them solely because of their race, that's considered a "hate"crime because it IS.  Yet when blacks commit the same types of violent crimes against whites because they hate them, it's different?  And this is because of this imaginary perception that ALL whites have power and NO blacks do?  Puhleez.  The poor whites living in the trailer park are just as powerless (if not more so) than the poor blacks down in the projects.  To believe otherwise is really naive and to treat the same types of crimes differently because of this misguided belief is an atrocious travesty of justice.......JMHO, slave luci


Yup, just more "political correctness" run amok.
We really do need to outlaw "political correctness."
I can see vigilance committees making a comeback in this country.
If the police and courts won't protect the people The People have the right to defend themselves.

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RE: Convicted felony hate crime attackers given pro - 3/7/2007 2:47:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sternhand4

You know the answer to your question
.
From the article...
Farai Chideya asked three prominent black guests whether, in fact, blacks can be blamed for hate crimes at all.  ( bold added)


Everybody with a shred of honesty knows the answer to the question.
The hate crime concept was formulated by mindless Liberals who  flounder around like a fish on a stone floor when things like this crop up.

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RE: Convicted felony hate crime attackers given pro - 3/7/2007 2:52:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sternhand4

You know the answer to your question
.
From the article...
Farai Chideya asked three prominent black guests whether, in fact, blacks can be blamed for hate crimes at all.  ( bold added)


Everybody with a shred of honesty knows the answer to the question.
The hate crime concept was formulated by mindless Liberals who  flounder around like a fish on a stone floor when things like this crop up.


Seeks, well said.

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RE: Convicted felony hate crime attackers given pro - 3/7/2007 4:50:27 PM   
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First of all, I still find it hard to believe that someone wasted time and energy defining a ridiculous term like "Hate Crime".  I guess the other crimes should be deemed, "I Don't Like You Very Much Crimes." 

Second of all, I'm more pissed that the Socialists....uh....I mean Democrats....that inspired the term "Hate Crimes" also have somehow managed to ruin the term liberal. 

I feel sorry for what happened to those girls.  I hope that the boys parents are held accountable for the monsters they have raised, but somehow I don't think that will happen.


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RE: Convicted felony hate crime attackers given pro - 3/7/2007 5:11:18 PM   
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First of all, I still find it hard to believe that someone wasted time and energy defining a ridiculous term like "Hate Crime".  I guess the other crimes should be deemed, "I Don't Like You Very Much Crimes." 

Second of all, I'm more pissed that the Socialists....uh....I mean Democrats....that inspired the term "Hate Crimes" also have somehow managed to ruin the term liberal. 

I feel sorry for what happened to those girls.  I hope that the boys parents are held accountable for the monsters they have raised, but somehow I don't think that will happen.




LOL, or how about an "I don't like your attitude crime?"
I bet those three bums never got a "Good Smackin' " growing up.
I wouldn't want to be them! Someone will get them.

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RE: Convicted felony hate crime attackers given pro - 3/7/2007 6:00:39 PM   
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I agree.  Hate crimes are about thought police.  If you kill someone because they pissed you off, that is murder.

If you kill someone because they were a different race and it was racially motivated, you are STILL a murderer.  The porblem is NOT that we need to define certain crimes as 'hate crimes' because that makes certain ways of thinking illegal - you have to be in the mind of the criminal.  I know we don't LIKE how some people think, and how some people think is disturbing - but we are all still free to think as we want.

What we need is tougher sentencing for crimes REGARDLESS of what motivates their perpetration.

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