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sublizzie -> RE: Please help me - Re: Non-disclosure; understandable? Or manipulation? (3/8/2007 9:13:58 AM)

This kind of thread can be a great place to teach, or reinforce teaching, for people. I'm sorry it's based on your pain.

I have met some wonderful Dominants. One of them has been a mentor to me (no he's not in it for free sex). One of the first lessons he told me was that a Dominant who was truly interested in me would give me all of the information I needed to be able to check them out. Another of those lessons was to *always* make the Dominant come to me. I'm much safer being in my own territory than in theirs. One of the lessons I learned through his behavior was that a Dominant will pay your way, even if he doesn't have a lot of money. When I've gone against those lessons I've been burned so they have become part of my requirements of a Dominant. I know it's better and safer for me if I keep to the lesson plan.

Just my thoughts.....




sambamanslilgirl -> RE: Please help me - Re: Non-disclosure; understandable? Or manipulation? (3/8/2007 9:15:05 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SusanofO

I've asked (twice this week), and been told: "You will find all that out when you arrive".



an ex bf told me this constantly which is why he remains an ex!

seriously, if i was going to meet someone in another state, i would like to know everything  for the matter of safety in case someone needed to reach me or vice versa due to an emergency especially since i'm a mom of 2.

personally, if it was me in this situation, i wouldn't go visit him. i would make him come to me on my home turf because i know where all the exits are and have an escape route planned in case things go sour between us.

*hugs*




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Please help me - Re: Non-disclosure; understandable? Or manipulation? (3/8/2007 9:16:26 AM)

Susan you tend to go too far in whatever direction it is you go. 

I recall your 3 threads about your weirdo stalker, I recall you just getting out of an abusive relationship within the past six months, and it's certainly no secret that I've felt you were getting way too emotionally serious with this situation.

I actually applaud your deciding to go meet eachother and see how the chemistry would work.  It's smart to just go and get it done with rather than build up more and more online without any substantiation.

But obviously I don't applaud the decision without having the very basics down first.  You let your emotions take over again and went with that instead of good sense. 

Now you're upset and you're letting emotions take over again.  The guy didn't give you basic information that he said he would and he's had other behaviors which suggest he's not someone trusthworthy.  While I understand that's upsetting and makes you angry- it doesn't mean anything more than what it means. 

IMO you shouldn't even consider courting with anyone for at least 6 months to be your own person after the abusive situation and all this emotional upheaval.

That being said, you're still welcome to San Antonio and I have friends who can get you to the GWNN party and even crash if you decide to make the trip.




sambamanslilgirl -> RE: Please help me - Re: Non-disclosure; understandable? Or manipulation? (3/8/2007 9:21:07 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: sublizzie

I have met some wonderful Dominants. One of them has been a mentor to me (no he's not in it for free sex). One of the first lessons he told me was that a Dominant who was truly interested in me would give me all of the information I needed to be able to check them out. Another of those lessons was to *always* make the Dominant come to me. I'm much safer being in my own territory than in theirs. One of the lessons I learned through his behavior was that a Dominant will pay your way, even if he doesn't have a lot of money. When I've gone against those lessons I've been burned so they have become part of my requirements of a Dominant. I know it's better and safer for me if I keep to the lesson plan.



Daddy applies the same rules for me when i'm dating vanilla men.




Vendaval -> RE: Please help me - Re: Non-disclosure; understandable? Or manipulation? (3/8/2007 9:26:11 AM)

He is not being honest with you, Susan.
Do not go, your safety could well be at
risk.  Talk to the airline about exchanging
the ticket for another destination and visit
with some friends or take a mini-vacation
if you can.
 
Your safety is the number one priority here.
Even if he changes his attitude and gives up
the information, you already have trust problems
before you ever meet the guy.  Who needs
that kind of drama and heartache?
 
 




Aileen68 -> RE: Please help me - Re: Non-disclosure; understandable? Or manipulation? (3/8/2007 9:33:47 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SusanofO
Aileen:  I can possibly see your point but - It was fun!! It was interesting for the past 9 weeks, at least I thought it was. I was completely sold, until I really stateted thinking  about what was missing, as far as information here.I asked for this information, btw, about 3 weeks into our intial e-mailing and phoning - he just kept playing it cool and putting me off. I very was excited, and looking forward to the trip. LA and I were even planning to go to a play party in Austin next Saturday night and everything. I was that sold. I am way too nice. I am not stupid (I am in Mensa) I am just too nice. I am also usually expecting the best until someone proves I can't expect it anymore.

I didn't ask him for "house rules" - in fact I thought the request was rather off, and it freaked me out a little that he had us in a 24-7 when we hadn't even met yet. I mentiioned in passing. I thought some Dominants seemed to make made spur-of-the-moment rules, without having gotten to know their submissive and asked what he thought of that (a legit question, btw). I also let him know I wanted to take things slow and get to know eachother - maybe he thought that was a way to get to know me, I dunno (if so I can see where there may have been a possible mis-understanding. I guess).

I was with my ex-Dominant for over a year, before his temper got hold of him one night; his behavior was a total and compete anomaly (except for a dysfucntional family history.  Hell  - I've got one, too - a lot less severe than his was, maybe - but - isn't everyone's family-of-origin slightly dysfunctional? I don't knwo anyone who comes from a 100% perfect "Leave it to Beaver family" - here at CM or anywhere else. Think it couldn't happen to you? Think again. It happens to a lot of people, I am guessing. But you could be right.

- Susan


In my opinion...you may be better off in living your life and your life issues off of the boards.  You put a lot of importance and power over you on the opinions of complete strangers.  Learning about breathe play and it's safety, as an example, is one thing.  Asking if it's right that you didn't get needed info, when you know that you should have is another and comes across as not using basic common sense and as just looking for attention.  You should be to the point of making your own levelheaded decisions especially since you are a Mensa member.  That gives you a bit of an advantage over the rest of us, doesn't it?  We all have issues in our lives on a daily basis.  The difference is...a message boards of strangers doesn't hear every detail about it whether it's for justification, support, bitching or learning.  It tends to come off as seeking attention when it's from the same person having issues and wildly declaring their personal life details.




SusanofO -> RE: Please help me - Re: Non-disclosure; understandable? Or manipulation? (3/8/2007 9:39:27 AM)

Don't have the energy argue with two people in one day Aileen. You are of course entitled to your opinion - and also to not read message board threads.  You could be right. Maybe you are. I can take criticism - I've been giving oit to myself all morning.
Do you get that I am hurt? Do you get I needed to vent? Do you get what message boards can be good for, sometimes?  I can take your opinion,.Aileen, or leave it, and frankly this time I am leaving it, Don;t like it? Don't read it. How's that fpor "approval seeking"? He?

I have done it to myself all morning. You're not saying anything to me I haven't already said to myself, darlin' - especially this morning. I am not trying to hurt your feelings either. Just sayin.' Dont like it - don't read it.

- Susan




Aileen68 -> RE: Please help me - Re: Non-disclosure; understandable? Or manipulation? (3/8/2007 10:18:54 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SusanofO


I have done it to myself all morning. You're not saying anything to me I haven't already said to myself, darlin' - especially this morning. I am not trying to hurt your feelings either. Just sayin.' Dont like it - don't read it.

- Susan

It's impossible for you to hurt my feelings since you're just words on a screen.  It should be the same for you.  If you put something out there on the message boards, be prepared for all kinds of responses.  I could have given you a sweet sympathy response of ohh poor you and bad evil guy.  But that's not what I thought when I read your thread.  You have set yourself up on these boards showing a history of making poor decisions.  This thread falls right into that pattern.  Sorry if I felt like I wanted to point that out.  If you wanted sympathy..then email friends.  Don't post on a public board and expect everyone to stroke your ego and wisdom even when it's been lacking.  There are only a few asses that I kiss in this world and strangely enough..they all belong to men.  I don't wish anything bad on you, but grow up and stop the drama already.  If you don't like certain responses, then keep it private. 

Edited to add...you made bad choices.  Learn from them.




onestandingstill -> RE: Please help me - Re: Non-disclosure; understandable? Or manipulation? (3/8/2007 10:20:49 AM)

For god sake Aileen!
Do you have issues wth susan on your side you're not mentioning or something????
I thought these message boards indeed were for the very thing susan uses them for.
Maybe in your perfect world you woke up knowing everything there is to know about life, BDSM and finding your mate, but the rest of us are not so lucky.
Maybe you also have tons of friends in your community you can discuss this sort of stuff face to face with that can get you 50 people advice and opinions for you to consider.
Again most of us don't have that.
I look at these boards as a lifeline, yes a lifeline for me.
On top of that the online community feels sort of like a family of sorts to me after talking with people in these boards almost daily for two years now.
I think you post has a lot of either personal issues or jealousy wrapped up in it toward susan and was absolutely rude, obnoxious and innapropriate.
Please come down off that high mighty throne you've put yourself on.
Perfect world is a delusion I'm afraid you're thinking you belong in.
All people have problems, even you I bet.
suzanne




AquaticSub -> RE: Please help me - Re: Non-disclosure; understandable? Or manipulation? (3/8/2007 10:24:31 AM)

~Fast Reply~

Honey he lied to you and broke a promise. And it's one regarding your safety. Is that really what you want in a dominant? I wouldn't go if I were you. But if you do, please, inform him that because he wouldn't provide you the information needed to help you feel safe, friends will be expecting calls from you at a certain time of day, every day, including just before you board the plane to leave.

I'd miss you terribly if you stopped posting.

I know it's a dramatic response but I can't think of any honorable reason for this behavior.




KatyLied -> RE: Please help me - Re: Non-disclosure; understandable? Or manipulation? (3/8/2007 10:25:37 AM)

quote:

you woke up knowing everything there is to know about life


Okay, I have to respond to this.
There is mensa, and then there is common sense.
Common sense dictates that you don't fly to a strange state and meet a stranger who refuses to disclose his identity.  It shouldn't have to be discussed, it's a safety and common sense issue.  Again I will mention these words:  John Edward Robinson.  Some of the women who couldn't wait to meet him thought he was "nice."
This is high drama.  I'm not complaining because I'm bored today.




Aileen68 -> RE: Please help me - Re: Non-disclosure; understandable? Or manipulation? (3/8/2007 10:25:43 AM)

I don't have a single person in my life that I talk to this about. 
She has a history of creating self centered drama here all for attention.
She's not looking for knowledge...she's looking for approval.  Big difference.
She made a comment that if I didn't like the thread to not respond.  I commented that if she didn't like the responses then don't post in a public forum. 

Edited to add...I would have had more respect for Susan had she started a thread that said I'm angry, sad and disappointed.  I trusted someone and they let me down.  Instead she starts a thread that only takes common sense to see the answer... all for the poor susan responses.  And I'm getting flamed for not jumping on the Poor Susan fanclub bandwagon???  I've had a lot of shit happen to me in my two years here and you know what?  You don't hear about it because I deal with it on my own as does a lot of people.  I stand by my original response to her.  She has a history of making poor choices based on the info that she has disclosed over the past year.  I just pointed that out.  I most certainly don't live in a perfect world, but I don't live my dramas out on the message boards either.




bluelace001 -> RE: Please help me - Re: Non-disclosure; understandable? Or manipulation? (3/8/2007 10:26:53 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SusanofO



The confusing part here, to me is:
He really does seem trustworthy as far as being reasonable, nice and mild-mannered, etc. when we talk on the phone and e-mail.

Susan, please don't take this wrong, but.... so did Jeffery Domer. I took a chance when i moved out here to be with Viper, He had no problem giving me his driver licence number, first and last name, his social, anything i asked for so i could do a background check and make sure he was who he said he was and wasn't a convicted fellon. If you choose to go, please set up safe calls for your own safety.

Sincerely,
bluelace_V
(property of Viper_001)




ferryman777 -> RE: Please help me - Re: Non-disclosure; understandable? Or manipulation? (3/8/2007 10:40:38 AM)

Aileen68.........GO GIRL GO!!!!!!!!.........you are so smack dead on target. Memsa suzyQ should get a life; who cares about her dramazine. Threads, forums should for the most part to inform, but this, without even reading the other of suzie's threads is absurd attention howling. Oh, the mensa people do not have anything on the village idiots.




desertdancer -> RE: Please help me - Re: Non-disclosure; understandable? Or manipulation? (3/8/2007 10:44:48 AM)

Susan, I sent you a little note on the other side, though I'm not sure now it's worth much.

~dancer




StrictDomLA -> RE: Please help me - Re: Non-disclosure; understandable? Or manipulation? (3/8/2007 10:45:06 AM)

I agree she should NOT go before SOME info had been provided - full name, drivers license for example - enough to do google and criminal background checks - but I'd be very cautious handing out My social security #. Recently been burned with that - everyone has heard of identity theft, right?




onestandingstill -> RE: Please help me - Re: Non-disclosure; understandable? Or manipulation? (3/8/2007 10:51:04 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Aileen68

I don't have a single person in my life that I talk to this about. 
She has a history of creating self centered drama here all for attention.
She's not looking for knowledge...she's looking for approval.  Big difference.
She made a comment that if I didn't like the thread to not respond.  I commented that if she didn't like the responses then don't post in a public forum. 

Edited to add...I would have had more respect for Susan had she started a thread that said I'm angry, sad and disappointed.  I trusted someone and they let me down.  Instead she starts a thread that only takes common sense to see the answer... all for the poor susan responses.  And I'm getting flamed for not jumping on the Poor Susan fanclub bandwagon???  I've had a lot of shit happen to me in my two years here and you know what?  You don't hear about it because I deal with it on my own as does a lot of people.  I stand by my original response to her.  She has a history of making poor choices based on the info that she has disclosed over the past year.  I just pointed that out.  I most certainly don't live in a perfect world, but I don't live my dramas out on the message boards either.

Thanks for expressing your point of view more clearly for me.
I appreciate you answered me.
I do realize some people are more public about their problems (like me) and others are more private (like you).
I don't think either approach is wrong or more right than the other.
suzanne




eroticangel -> RE: Please help me - Re: Non-disclosure; understandable? Or manipulation? (3/8/2007 10:51:43 AM)

What good does it do to belittle a person when they are feeling down??? Some of us need the release we are afforded here. If we don't agree, fine....but there is absolutely no reason to put someone down and speak of their past. The help is needed NOW on the present situation.

Just my thoughts,
roe




KatyLied -> RE: Please help me - Re: Non-disclosure; understandable? Or manipulation? (3/8/2007 10:55:15 AM)

quote:

speak of their past. The help is needed NOW on the present situation.


I think it is helpful to point out past patterns.  This is how people can learn and make adjustments moving forward.  Sometimes people aren't aware of these things unless they are pointed out.  The way we perceive ourselves isn't always the way others perceive us.




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Please help me - Re: Non-disclosure; understandable? Or manipulation? (3/8/2007 10:58:47 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: eroticangel
What good does it do to belittle a person when they are feeling down??? Some of us need the release we are afforded here. If we don't agree, fine....but there is absolutely no reason to put someone down and speak of their past. The help is needed NOW on the present situation.

Just my thoughts,
roe

If their NOW is a direct result of or continuance of past behavior, it must ALL be understood in order for the issue to really be resolved.  Otherwise, it will happen again.

I think Aileen is right.  I also know that Susan will make her own choices for herself and the boards will always be here to offer whatever there is to offer.

As I always say- take what works for you and leave the rest.




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