NorthernGent
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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub quote:
ORIGINAL: farglebargle quote:
ORIGINAL: NorthernGent The man is not a Nazi. He was in the Hitler Youth as a young boy The Hitler Youth (HJ) was a paramilitary organization of the Nazi Party. By definition, membership in the HJ was membership in the Nazi party. quote:
, but then so were most kids in Germany. Compulsary after 1938. Doesn't change the fact, ONCE a Nazi, ALWAYS a Nazi. There are some sins absolution is not available for. There is some evil which stains the soul in ways it can never recover from. Like the sin of judgement? This was a climate in which those who did not agree with the Nazis were killed. A child is easily led yet you want to condemn children with the same fervor as those who flipped the gas switches. Before I can pass judgement, I need more information as to what he actually did and what he actually knew. Many children were fed propaganda like chocolates, and I for one will not condemn the soul of a child because of the climate they were unfortunate enough to grow up in. The thread is in danger of being derailed into a Nazi one, so this is my last post in the subject. As per AquaticSub's post, context is everything. Enrolment in the Hitler Youth was compulsory, so making the leap to always a Nazi is not fair. By extension, you're saying that every kid in Germany was a Nazi, which is even more harsh when you consider the regime of terror. In terms of Wagner, the cross dresser accusation has never been proven. There is some evidence for his liking for women's refineries however (as per requests to Italian designers). It's clouded because he had a skin condition (forget the name) which meant fine material, normally used for womens' clothing, was better suited to him. He most certainly was a dedicated racist and anti-semite. On the Pope, he is an extremely conservative catholic (even by Pope standards). The irony is that Europe is the most secular continent on earth and his extreme conservatism will only hasten the de-christianisation of Europe as opposed to restore it to its former glory. The link with rock and roll music is that he, and the Catholic church, see modernisation as the cause of the decline of the church, which is true - education, liberalisation, social freedom etc.
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