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RE: Bush visit ignites violence between police, protesters - 3/10/2007 8:56:07 AM

MstrDouglas

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Lets see now, as a retired vet, I have to say something here about the WMD. Look back at everything we found over there:
1 the chemicals to make poision gas
2 the warheads to deliver it
3 the rockets to deliver the warheads
4 the MOBILE manufacturing facilities to make the chemical and gas agents
5 plans for nuke facilities and manufacturing

and that does not include the fact that we still have not found all of the Iraqi Air Force planes and equipment, or is it just that the news media doesnt want to tell us they have.
If you really want to know what it is like, go ask one of the returning troops, it is a minority of them that are knocking the war, most are actually trying to go back over. Everybody needs to stop spouting "party lines" and believing what little the news media wants to show us....actually go and talk to the returning troops.
Oh, and just so you all know, yes, I have lost friends over there, and if it wasnt for a medical problem, I would be over there as well.

God Bless America AND Our Troops!
Edited to add: You tell 'em, Sanity....for all the good it'll do, cause they cant see it for themselves.

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RE: Bush visit ignites violence between police, protesters - 3/10/2007 9:09:56 AM

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WTF are you talking about? I never said that the Muslim extremists were Leftists.

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You are seriously losing it here. This is like saying Nazi Germany fell into chaos because Russia fought back when attacked.

None of those muslim insurgents are leftists of any kind. You really need to leave your cold war paranoia where it belongs, back in the cold war.

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RE: Bush visit ignites violence between police, protesters - 3/10/2007 9:15:05 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: MstrDouglas

Lets see now, as a retired vet, I have to say something here about the WMD. Look back at everything we found over there:
1 the chemicals to make poision gas
2 the warheads to deliver it
3 the rockets to deliver the warheads
4 the MOBILE manufacturing facilities to make the chemical and gas agents
5 plans for nuke facilities and manufacturing

No one is denying he once had them since the west supplied them! They had for the most part, all been accounted for or were past their shelf life and as for the scuds, they proved they couldn't hit a barn door at 30 metres. The mobile manufacturing facitilites were pulled apart in the media by many experts from many countries. The term WMD is a nonsense since most military weapons other than personel arms are WMD. The Iraqi army's WMD were obsolete which was why they were such a pushover.

It is quite irrelevent who has lost friends in the war, the war is based on lies and if someone doesn't like l;osing colleagues over a lie they should point the finger at the person who sent them to war. Even Blair, while not saying the war was started on a lie, he has out of the side of his mouth said it was started with misleading information. Blair seems to squim more and more every time he is questioned about the inconsistencies in the US and British government's propaganda.

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RE: Bush visit ignites violence between police, protesters - 3/10/2007 10:00:04 AM

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When was the President ever convicted of lying, meat? That's purely your opinion, yet you speak as if it's a fact -

So, one cannot call a LIAR, a LIAR when one ascertains the facts of the matter do, in fact indicate that a LIE has been said unless it's proven in a court?

I don't know:

D. On September 7, 2002, appearing publicly with Blair, BUSH claimed a recent IAEA report stated that Iraq was "six months away from developing a [nuclear] weapon" and "I don't know what more evidence we need," which statements were made without basis and with reckless indifference to the truth in that: (1) the IAEA had not even been present in Iraq since 1998; and (2) the report the IAEA did write in 1998 had concluded there was no indication that Iraq had the physical capacity to produce weapons-usable nuclear material or that it had attempted to obtain such material.

seems pretty cut and dried.

As does:

I. On October 7, 2002, in Cincinnati, Ohio, BUSH made numerous deliberately misleading statements to the nation, including stating that in comparison to Iran and North Korea, Iraq posed a uniquely serious threat, which statement BUSH well knew was false and fraudulent in that it omitted to state the material fact that a State Department representative had been informed just three days previously that North Korea had actually already produced nuclear weapons. The defendants continued to conceal this information until after Congress passed the Authorization to Use Military Force against Iraq.

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RE: Bush visit ignites violence between police, protesters - 3/10/2007 10:04:03 AM

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And Iraq has descended into chaos due primarily to the fact that Muslim extremists are encouraged by all the attacks on George Bush from the Left all over the world.

SARCASM: You know, FOUR THOUSAND YEARS of bad blood just waiting for Hussein to get out of the way, to continue settling the old scores, don't really matter. It's all about Your Great Leader being unfairly criticized.

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RE: Bush visit ignites violence between police, protesters - 3/10/2007 10:06:10 AM

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They sure got their money's worth outta Doug Feith didn't they?

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RE: Bush visit ignites violence between police, protesters - 3/10/2007 10:08:31 AM

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Whichever side of the coin shows one's point of view, one can easily find facts and figures to support one's own ideas.
When I was drafted out of college and got sent to Vietnam, I hated being there. I know we had some good and noble fantasies in Washington in both major parties aout being there. I know our government had no rational plan to accomplish the "free country" goals we proclaimed, or to change the absolutely insane corruption on the part of "our glorious allies".
I certainly opposed the war as it was. But I fully supported our troops.
We can score as many points as we wish against each other about lying politicians (is that not a redundancy?) or about media related facts or theories. Only history will be able to judge if we did well or ill in Iraq. So I support the troops and not ANY of the politicians on any side. I suggest one also looks at the history of the area know now as Afganistan during the last several hundred years before making similar judgements.

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RE: Bush visit ignites violence between police, protesters - 3/10/2007 10:22:09 AM

Sanity

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Your conspiracy theories are at best just far-fetched opinion, farglebargle. Why do you insist on pretending that any them are factual... what is your agenda with all of this, anyway.

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RE: Bush visit ignites violence between police, protesters - 3/10/2007 12:18:36 PM

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I wish he's make some cuts here and there, but unfortunately he spends like a big Liberal.

This is my biggest issue with President Bush ... he is about as fiscally non-conservative, as anyone could imagine.

We shouldn't be shocked in any way. He tended to be a big spender in the corporate world, and as Governor of Texas, spent all the surplus built up by Mark White and Ann Richards. He gave tax incentives to big businesses, that basically ensure that Texas will not profit a penny from the industry he brought in ... even the jobs aren't going to Texans, since we really didn't have an unemployed base to begin with.

I don't agree with how Iraq was handled, and we probably shouldn't have gone in the first place, but as a student of history, I recognize that superpowers are going to get into scraps. The only way to avoid it, is to not be a superpower. Anyone that thinks that Iraq will erode America's power base, is fooling themselves. We will make a profit on this war, and rid ourselves of basically useless allies in the bargain.

But, the spending ... it's a deal breaker. President Bush will leave that as a legacy.

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RE: Bush visit ignites violence between police, protesters - 3/10/2007 12:18:52 PM

farglebargle

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Bush's statements are ON THE RECORD. I dunno what kind of "Far Fetched Opinion" it is that they were at the time FACTUALLY incorrect, and in addition, ANYONE performing the most basic due diligence would have discovered that to be the case.

It's not like the source material is from www.whythetowersfell.org, it's the freaking STATE DEPARTMENT reporting that North Korea had developed Nukes.

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RE: Bush visit ignites violence between police, protesters - 3/10/2007 12:28:05 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity

Google "Iraq Oil Law" and read all about what the Left-leaning Media refuses to elaborate on. Educate yourself...

And Iraq has descended into chaos due primarily to the fact that Muslim extremists are encouraged by all the attacks on George Bush from the Left all over the world. They have hope of winning because Leftists are on their side in the propoganda war. It's a tragedy that doesn't need to happen. If the world had only been on the side of the Iraqi people then most of this needless bloodshed would never have happened, but attacking George Bush was more important.

Wasn't it.

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

If true, I would give them some credit (even though tainted by taking a cut), but where is the evidence?

Since the US and British armies landed on their doorstep, Iraq has descended into chaos - a fact.

Where is the evidence that the fund from Iraqi oil has found its way into the hands of "the poorest and most downtrodded"?

It's your defence. Where is the proof?

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RE: Bush visit ignites violence between police, protesters - 3/10/2007 12:44:07 PM

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And Iraq has descended into chaos due primarily to the fact that Muslim extremists are encouraged by all the attacks on George Bush from the Left all over the world. They have hope of winning because Leftists are on their side in the propoganda war.

The officer that I know, that's serving over there (he's a Battalion Commander) would not agree with you.

He says that the biggest boost to the insurgents by far, came because Donald Rumsfeld refused to send enough troops to secure the Iraqi border, and when commanders tried to move troops to acomplish this goal, he wouldn't allow it. This has facilitated a constant flow of IED's with armor piercing charges, that are the most dangerous to American troops. Commanders that voiced disapproval with this policy, were sent home.

He also completely discounts the theory of the press, that there are groups over there that are targeting Americans. He points out that most Iraqis are happy to see the Americans, and that mostly these groups are just in the business of killing ... anyone, any place, any time ... and that sometimes Americans get in harms way.

He has also mentioned that there are lots of "Kelly's Heros" over there (which I had to have explained to me) and that they get killed, because they are engaging in various illegal activities. Knowing a lot of young American guys ... I can say that I'm shocked (insert sarcasm)!!!

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RE: Bush visit ignites violence between police, protesters - 3/10/2007 1:30:47 PM

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Extract from The Guardian (on the locals' response to bush's visit to Brazil):

"....while some women paraded through the street with stickers of George Bush and Adolf Hitler placed tastefully over their nipples".

Fuckin' get in there. Where's our women running 'round the streets with big swingers bouncing all over the show? Come to think of it, it's probably the closest Hitler has ever been to a pair of tits.

More importantly, how can you tastefully place a sticker of Hitler over one of your nipples? What's the alternative? These journalist types will say anything.

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RE: Bush visit ignites violence between police, protesters - 3/10/2007 1:46:37 PM

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caitlyn, I will listen, and not get too nasty with you

and , I will give you a big break from having a nice pooper, and consider that you have a mind as well..

The officer you know is kinda family, but really of no consequence.
as of the party at your parents home, this same guy (a colonel, I beleive) spoke in rather forthright manner that the situation was different than the commonplace motherfuckers like me had imagined
, and now serving there with the go ahead for more troops can explain in a nutshell why the disparity of contretemps can come between fall and spring?

I know many people myself, and I am ashamed of the non-enjoined forces, the youth of our contries if you will that plumb the inheirant weaknesses in these inordinate times and circumstances, rising (and I feel not arightly) from their X-Boxes to create a new world order, to cast a glance to the past, and knowing it, fully and without recourse, since it can't be changed, marched out into the new horizon, fully aware of the world around us, and saying--------each and every one--------

No, the line stops here.........I am not a Jew, I am not my brothers keeper, I am not a berliner, I am not guilty because the chinese are communist---------

Well, what do you think caitlyn?

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RE: Bush visit ignites violence between police, protesters - 3/10/2007 2:04:24 PM

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Some of the locals, NG. More accurately, extremists.

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Extract from The Guardian (on the locals' response to bush's visit to Brazil):

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RE: Bush visit ignites violence between police, protesters - 3/10/2007 2:17:28 PM

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Sanity, that's a fair old leap to call them extremists. Maybe they're just aware of Cuba and Nicaragua and are thinking no thanks.

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RE: Bush visit ignites violence between police, protesters - 3/10/2007 2:54:08 PM

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any of the really good things that [President Bush] has done.

Such as?

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RE: Bush visit ignites violence between police, protesters - 3/10/2007 2:57:05 PM

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We will make a profit on this war,

I'm sure that's a great comfort to the families of those who have died.

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RE: Bush visit ignites violence between police, protesters - 3/10/2007 4:08:58 PM

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Very true.

Also true that the admission of the existance of something, doesn't mean a person agrees with it.

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RE: Bush visit ignites violence between police, protesters - 3/10/2007 4:18:46 PM

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There isn't anything to get nasty with me about Ron ... I was only repeating what someone that is actually there, has told me.

I've been writing him weekly, on pink stationary with perfume ... I have no idea why, we don't really know each other that well. I just kind of feel that a soldier in a war needs to get nice letters from a girl back home, even if that girl is just a friend. He sends me the very occasional email. I guess troops have limited internet access. I'm shock they are not more tightly censored. He has very little bad to say, except that he tends to go of on the press. Perhaps that's why the army doesn't censor ... ha-ha.

It would be best, to bring everyone home, obviously. I think there are probably a lot of guys that like being over there. One guy I went to High School with, insists that he is having a blast getting to shoot people. Perhaps it's better to have him over there ... the post office is probably safer.

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