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TopDrop/subdrop and Aftercare - 3/10/2007 1:43:35 PM   
Jaykemspride


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SubDrop/TopDrop

Why it happens:
After the release of chemicals in your body that make you feel oh so good.. just like in a drug addict or an athlete, coming down can be almost physically painful.  Add to the common human mental health issues, and we have what is commonly known as SubDrop/TopDrop.  This phenomenon can manifest itself after a scene or after a relationship, a gathering of kinky friends or for no obvious reason at all.  When we have to come out of our scene space and reenter the real world, back to the normalities of life, screaming kids, job, spouse, we may experience an emotional let down of sorts.

What it feels like:
SubDrop/TopDrop can manifest itself in many physical and emotional ways; anxiety attacks, feelings of loss, indescribable sadness, crying for no apparent reason, lethargy, insomnia, total panic, extreme emotional numbless, rage, dizzy spells, irrational fears, manic energy, the desire to isolate, the thought of leaving the scene or the partner, hatred, loss of appetite, the uncontrollable desire to binge, purge even, inability to concentrate, headaches, leg cramps, nausea.  These symptoms can be fleeting or mild or can last for extended periods of time, making your life unmanageable and causing you to do things you may later regret.

Some of the work for aftercare can be started before the scene/event even starts.
Preparing yourself mentally for what it about to happen:
~getting centred~
~meditating~
~figuring out what you want to get out of the scene.
Assessing where your head space is today:
~is it that time of the month?~
~do you have stuff in your head thats bothering you that you need to put aside before play?~
~what feelings are apparent in yourself right now? fear, hope, lust, frustration, anxiety,   excitement?
Do you have expectations that are realistic?
Negotiate your aftercare effictively.
Not everyone is into cuddling and mushy intamacy as part of aftercare.  If that's what you need or expect then make sure your partner is aware of that and agrees to provide it.  If not you may be setting yourself up for a big disappointment.
Make sure you have support set up for when you get home.
Then there is preparing yourself physically for the scene/event.
~getting enough sleep beforehand~
~hydrating yourself~
~eating something relatively healthy, unless fasting for a reason before the scene~
~making sure you don't forget to take your regular meds before the scene~
~having a comfortable set of clothes and shoes to wear incase you need to change~


Aftercare
It is each and everyones individual responsiblity as a player in the scene to protect themselves and care for themselves properly as well as making sure play partners are in good condition after we are done with them.  Aftercare is an important PART OF the scene.

Immediate Aftercare
There are lots of techniques to aftercare that work for partners:
Hydrate, feed if appropriate, wrap in a blanket, cuddle, massage, whisper, talk, sing to, make eye contact, console, wipe tears, smile, stroke hair, take to a quiet place, nap, share feelings, bathe, keep warm, encourage, express gratitude.
Some people spend the minutes after the scene to review it and share their feelings on it.  SOme people just need to relax and save the intellectualising for later.


Extended Aftercare

Plan on having quiet time and nap time when you get home or are alone
Eat something healthy and comforting but don't binge...a bowl of icecream, not a tub for example
Set up a support system and phone calls for yourself when you  get home.  Isolation is not the same as solitude
Check in with your partner if possible
Write:
~Write about the scene, your feelings, what you liked and didn't like~
~Write a gratitude list~
~Write a love letter to yourself~
Take a hot bath with epson salts and light candles
Nap...don't sleep all day
Do some aromatherapy: lavender, rosemary, bergamot and sandalwood are very soothing fragrances
Nurture yourself:  have a massage, pedicure, manicure, facial
If your Top is not available after a scene, find someone who is
Go shopping just dont overspend
Doodle, read, listen to music
Stay away from the news and unhappy people
If you find youself still depressed or still experiencing SubDrop/TopDrop symptoms a week after a scene, don't panic, it's normal.  Remind yourself it's goping to pass and continue taking care of yourself.
If you find yourself sinking into a depression repeatedly after scenes or in general and nothing seems to pull you out of it, consider changing your lifestyle and/or seeking professional help
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RE: TopDrop/subdrop and Aftercare - 3/10/2007 3:00:07 PM   
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Sounds like clinical depression to me.

< Message edited by BlackWomanSubNJ -- 3/10/2007 3:01:33 PM >


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RE: TopDrop/subdrop and Aftercare - 3/10/2007 3:04:59 PM   
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Um, this is a repost of a webpage, http://www.leathernroses.com/generalbdsm/jerseyaftercare.htm When quoting a webpage, you are best to credit the source. You seem like you're trying to pass the material off as your own if you do not. Better yet, tell us there is a webpage that helped you a lot and give us the link.

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RE: TopDrop/subdrop and Aftercare - 3/10/2007 4:30:22 PM   
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What not to do
Here's a Great Example of what some people believe it should be though...

Top to Bottom aftercare
Pass a box of kleenex, telling them to grow the fuck up and deal with it, command they put their clothes on and get the fuck out.

Top self aftercare

Light up a smoke, drink down a fifth of Captain Morgan alone while laying naked in bed.


You type of fuckers scare me.

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RE: TopDrop/subdrop and Aftercare - 3/10/2007 4:50:28 PM   
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I'm glad someone brought this up because I was about to start a thread on it.

Sub drop for me seems to come in two categories. First, the kind that happens after a scene, where I shake and cry until I calm down. Usually only lasts about 15min.

The second kind is more rare for me but much more scary. I've only experienced it with two individuals. For me, this one has nothing to do with sex/scening and more to do with feeling the absence of a dominants energy/control.

The first time I felt it was with my first full time Master. He would fly down to visit me for a couple of weeks at a time and when he left, I would be physically sick and have panic attacks for days. I would be nauseous,have  vomiting, diarrhea, random outbursts of crying, shortness of breath, shakes, cold chills, feelings of dizziness, disorientation, and disassociation. Truly scary stuff. I can only assume that having been within his "sphere of influence" for a certain amount of time, I felt scared and insecure when it was abruptly yanked away.

I experienced this again this morning after spending time with a new dominant friend. This is not even "my" dom, more like a friend with whom I share a romantic attraction and have a certain degree of submission towards. For some reason, this guy, in addition to the ex I just mentioned, inspired an extreme submission in me that no others have caused. When I drove away from him this morning, I dropped like you wouldn't believe and have been having panic attacks ever since.

This all makes me wonder why certain men inspire this phenomenon in me and others don't.


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RE: TopDrop/subdrop and Aftercare - 3/10/2007 5:02:32 PM   
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GeekyGirl,
Here's my take based on my experiences.  What you describe may be part of missing the other person because of the deeper emotional mental connections.  It's a combination of the intensity of scene play, because you are more into it due to the connection, and the loss afterwards when they leave.  A sort of sense of being abandoned, and yearning for the other person.  Oddly enough I went through a form of Dom drop once, where I felt similar.  To the point of wanting to puke.. and just wanted to reconnect in a oh so bad way.   Damn it why don't Dom/mes come forward about this sensation.  Perhaps, I'm just the misfit out of the group!



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RE: TopDrop/subdrop and Aftercare - 3/10/2007 5:03:32 PM   
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Maybe the OP should consider Beach Mystress' advice for his next tatoo... he doesn't seem to get it yet....

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RE: TopDrop/subdrop and Aftercare - 3/10/2007 5:06:50 PM   
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You may be right Whiplash. Today my symptoms persisted all day while I was out and about..when I came home, I saw that he had left me a message, and then got to chat with him for about 5 minutes and I suddenly felt much, much better.

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RE: TopDrop/subdrop and Aftercare - 3/10/2007 5:14:58 PM   
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http://www.collarchat.com/m_622770/mpage_1/key_subspace/tm.htm#622894
Crazy First Subspace

http://www.collarchat.com/m_549476/mpage_1/key_subspace/tm.htm#549596
blocked out scene or inaccurate memory?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_521560/mpage_1/key_subspace/tm.htm#521654
A question about "subspace"

http://www.collarchat.com/m_514967/mpage_1/key_subspace/tm.htm#515095
Different views of subspace and subdrop

http://www.collarchat.com/m_238766/mpage_2/key_subspace/tm.htm#280229
How quick do you go into subspace?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_440912/mpage_1/key_subspace/tm.htm#441045
Was this subspace?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_537506/mpage_1/key_subspace/tm.htm#537508
Subspace ??

What is SUBSPACE?

Subspace...?

Subspace

Subspace can you control it?

Subspace?

Not talking subspace...or sub drop...so what is it?

Subspace or just fantasy land?

Subspace safe?

Subspace or subdrop anyone?

Subspace? (2)

A thing called subspace


http://www.collarchat.com/m_772983/mpage_1/key_aftercare/tm.htm#773055
how much is "too much" aftercare?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_725006/mpage_1/key_aftercare/tm.htm#725011
aftercare, the top side?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_598726/mpage_1/key_aftercare/tm.htm#599129
aftercare in ltr and casual play

http://www.collarchat.com/m_495421/mpage_1/key_aftercare/tm.htm#496775
aftercare- when to offer it and how much?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_491455/mpage_1/key_aftercare/tm.htm#492065
aftercare


http://www.collarchat.com/m_743958/mpage_1/key_sub%252Cdrop/tm.htm#744221
sub drop please help

http://www.collarchat.com/m_649399/mpage_1/key_subdrop/tm.htm#649697
Coming down from the glorious heights

http://www.collarchat.com/m_522013/mpage_1/key_sub%252Cdrop/tm.htm#522021
sub drop, definitions, causes, cures, and prevention

http://www.collarchat.com/m_512884/mpage_1/key_sub%252Cdrop/tm.htm#513003
Your insight is needed please

http://www.collarchat.com/m_487853/mpage_1/key_sub%252Cdrop/tm.htm#488083
sub drop (2)

http://www.collarchat.com/m_460639/mpage_1/key_subdrop/tm.htm#460834
regaining balance after deep subspace

http://www.collarchat.com/m_202168/mpage_1/key_sub%252Cdrop/tm.htm#202459
sub-drop what is it?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_345419/mpage_1/key_sub%252Cdrop/tm.htm#345462
highs and lows

http://www.collarchat.com/m_398653/mpage_1/key_sub%252Cdrop/tm.htm#399164
subdrop or what?

Is it drop or am I kidding myself?

Depression after a scene

Sub Drop

Nervous sub seeks reassurance

sleeping...



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RE: TopDrop/subdrop and Aftercare - 3/10/2007 5:27:32 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterNdorei

Maybe the OP should consider Beach Mystress' advice for his next tatoo... he doesn't seem to get it yet....

Master's dorei


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RE: TopDrop/subdrop and Aftercare - 3/10/2007 6:19:47 PM   
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Dear GeekyGirl,
You are not alone.  I too experienced the scary/freaky sensations after my former Master would live after visiting, sometimes lasting 2 weeks or more.   We had a LDR for 8 yrs, hard limit for me is LDR,  I can't do that again.

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RE: TopDrop/subdrop and Aftercare - 3/10/2007 6:24:08 PM   
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When Angel and I have a realy intense session, he drops. every time.
He disapears for a few days, no contact whatsoever. I am getting used to it, it is how he copes with the idea that he really can abandon everything and give himself to me. He throws himself into school and work, and when he is mentally back in his place, I will talk to him again. How someone deals varies, to each their own.

DV

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RE: TopDrop/subdrop and Aftercare - 3/10/2007 6:59:59 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: WhiplashSmile

To the point of wanting to puke.. and just wanted to reconnect in a oh so bad way.   Damn it why don't Dom/mes come forward about this sensation.  Perhaps, I'm just the misfit out of the group!


I can't answer why... but i can tell you are not alone in this.

For the past two years I have been living an incredible relationship with kyra.  It is long distance and our opportunties together are not as frequent as we would like.  After each and every time together it can become a difficult thing to deal with when it's time to seperate.  Alot of conflicting emotions and thoughts that left uncontrol can have a decidely negative impact on one's physical self.  The hardest time for me was after this past Christmas.  kyra spent two weeks at home and I reached a point of enjoyment that felt like everyday life with her home.  It was abit of a shock to the system when I took her to the airport and I drove back north to my further my career.  I may not like some of the issues or even the situation at times.  However, I make these choices to live this relationship this way and accept the consequences of these decisions.. for good or for bad.  When the consequences become unacceptable... I change the decisions to allow for different consequences.

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RE: TopDrop/subdrop and Aftercare - 3/10/2007 7:06:46 PM   
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I experience something similiar, Whiplash.  Whenever Angel used to disapear, it was aweful for me. We have had a very difficult time coming to terms with our relationship and schedule since I moved here.  I actualy had an easier time being long distance and dealing with being out of touch becasue of our placement than I did being out of touch becasue of his schedule.  With him being 15 minutes away, and then not hearing word one from him becasue school eats up literaly ALL his time is very difficult. Especailly since after a particularly involved playtime, my ability to give the aftercare I would like is ususaly shortened by tiemframes.  I cant WAIT for graduation.

DV

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RE: TopDrop/subdrop and Aftercare - 3/11/2007 3:33:54 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: WhiplashSmile

quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterNdorei

Maybe the OP should consider Beach Mystress' advice for his next tatoo... he doesn't seem to get it yet....

Master's dorei


Ain't nothing like the real thing baby! A real comparison to all text book smarts in the world.

Did you mean to suggest that I have no real time experience?
 
And the point I made was that the post was plagiarized. It was taken in whole from a website without credit to the original author. AKA, good post or not, it was not the original thoughts of the poster. It is stolen.

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RE: TopDrop/subdrop and Aftercare - 3/11/2007 3:44:33 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: BeachMystress

quote:

ORIGINAL: WhiplashSmile

quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterNdorei

Maybe the OP should consider Beach Mystress' advice for his next tatoo... he doesn't seem to get it yet....

Master's dorei


Ain't nothing like the real thing baby! A real comparison to all text book smarts in the world.

Did you mean to suggest that I have no real time experience?
 
And the point I made was that the post was plagiarized. It was taken in whole from a website without credit to the original author. AKA, good post or not, it was not the original thoughts of the poster. It is stolen.


I was making an agreement in regards to the OP lack of sharing anything of their own real time experience, that the act of simply plagiarizing another work by no means is a reflection of the OPs real time experince in the subject!   

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RE: TopDrop/subdrop and Aftercare - 3/11/2007 3:51:27 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: WhiplashSmile
I was making an agreement in regards to the OP lack of sharing anything of their own real time experience, that the act of simply plagiarizing another work by no means is a reflection of the OPs real time experince in the subject!   


Gotcha. I wasn't sure what you were getting at, so I asked. You don't seem to be the type of person to make remarks about people you don't "know".. at least from your posts I've read. But since I was confused, asked for clarification before assuming you were saying something negative. :-)

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