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DUO-BDSM TRAINING? - 3/31/2005 10:16:38 PM   
selwyn


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Can anybody enlighten me on this concept of DUO-BDSM Training? It is purported to involve intense use of repetition and intention. I am being trained by a Domme who just learned it and it seems to be having the opposite effect as I am now losing my will to submit due to its mind-numbing nature. It is very long on repetitive exercises and has very little BDSM.
I would very much appreciate any input from the collarme community. Thanks!
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RE: DUO-BDSM TRAINING? - 4/1/2005 5:35:08 AM   
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Never heard of it. Ask her more about it and communicate your feelings. Maybe your styles are not compatible, or maybe the entire purpose is to get your past the "feeling" submissive and obeying no matter what.

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RE: DUO-BDSM TRAINING? - 4/1/2005 6:03:42 AM   
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I've never heard of it either. Could you explain it more?

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RE: DUO-BDSM TRAINING? - 4/1/2005 7:01:30 AM   
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Yes, I do think the object is to get me to obey no matter what, and I seem to do everything very well without going into subspace. But I like being in subspace. And while I have been with my Domme for seven months, this new training is just two months old. And yes, we are compatable, I was hoping that someone out there had been through it or given it, or perhaps it is in a book somewhere.

My direct knowledge of it is only what I've experienced. Same procedures done at the same times, same affirmations recited prior to every contact, and no physical discipline/punishment/BDSM and I am a service-subbie, being trained to do what is becoming mundane tasks. As I am under contract and not wanting to violate or get out of it, I pretty much need a bit more knowledge so I can get through it without losing my mind. Thanks.

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RE: DUO-BDSM TRAINING? - 4/1/2005 7:59:50 AM   
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While not my style of training I have gleaned the following from what you've given us so far:

It sounds very much like a frorm of brain washing, Repedative actions complete with rituals of both action and speach. Self talk has been long considered to be very effective at changing self image, I worry about the resulting identity being too automated for it to be healthy, but that's not for me to decide. I don't like that type of training but again not my place to do anything beyond comment.

My place to actually speak against the situation at hand is in that the consent you have given is not what qualifies as what I feel is ethical, INFORMED CONSENT.
Before you can give informed consent you have to be operating from an informed possition.

Just my opinion, and as alays worth what you paid me for it.

In Leather

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RE: DUO-BDSM TRAINING? - 4/1/2005 8:12:49 AM   
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Well from what I understand from you it wouldn't be for me either. While I like an obedient sub I don't want a robot. I do so enjoy seeing the inner struggle they have with some tasks and the contentment and fulfillment they get from managing them and I reckon if it was all automatic this wouldnt be there so much.

Like the other replies I'd advise you to talk to your Domme about this. Communication is so important.

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RE: DUO-BDSM TRAINING? - 4/1/2005 9:07:36 AM   
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I have not heard the term before, but the form of training sounds like a fairly basic method of behavior modification that is being implemented in perhaps a clumsy way. Repetitive exercises are used by many to achieve a desired behavior. You see this done in the military in basic training to instill basic forms of behavior, address, dress codes, etc. I've also seen it used in some corporate training (particularly in Japan), and in other situations as well. I'm not prepared to call it brain washing based on what little you've said... it can become that if taken to an extreme however. In the lifestyle common uses for this form of behavior modifications are to instill regular and routine forms of behavior, such as forms of address, position training, some protocols, etc. It trains the submissive to react in a desired way reflexively... such as always saying "yes Ma'am" or "no Ma'am" to use a very simplistic example, or to always kneel when entering a room and waiting for permission to enter to give another example.

From what you describe I'm going to posit some guess, so take what I'm about to say with a grain of salt, I'm working on limited information about you situation. First you said your domme just learned this so my first guess is that she hasn't learned it as well as she may believe and needs to educate herself further. There is more to repetitive training than just repetition. Individuals progress at different paces, from your remarks it sounds as though you either are progressing quickly or you have a very active mind or you have a short attention span... any one of those will create a problem if its not addressed correctly. I'll outline each briefly and you can decide which best fits you.

Quick progression - in some individuals they learn very quickly, adopt new behaviors very quickly, change comes easy for them when they put their mind to it. Repetitive training present a problem if carried on too long in these individuals because they become frustrated. Having quickly adopted the desired behavior form they feel their progress has not been noticed (and indeed it may not have been) and they have not been rewarded for their quick progression. To deal with this the dominant needs to "test" them more frequently, giving the submissive more chances to demonstrate what they have actually achieved. This accomplishes two things, where the desired behavior truly has been quickly adopted it allows the couple to move on to other things... but, there will also be cases where the submissive has not adapted as well as they believe, and this gives the dominant the opportunity to point this out and discover what areas specifically need more work.

Active minds - some individuals have very active minds, they need to feel challenged and some sense of achievement more so than others. Repetitive training presents the problem of being too dull. To allieviate this the repetition needs to be changed in form, but not function. For example... if the training is to always walk one step behind the dominant, the situatios need to be changed up so that the environment changes, the conditions change, etc. forcing the submissive to think about it more, questioning whether or not they should repeat the behavior under the new condition. The idea is to engage the mind of the submissive, to allow that active mind to be active.

Short attention span - then there are individuals who simply cannont hold interest in most things for long. Usually this is the product of an undisciplined mind in childhood (I could write entire essays on this, but I'll keep it brief here). Short attention spans also need to be stimulated, but where the active mind wants to think, the short attention span does not. The dominat has to work twice as hard to keep the repetitions interesting, keeping them seeming new and novel, and in many ways disguising the fact that it is repetition.

As Archer pointed out it can become brainwashing if taken to an extreme. If the training is only to create reflexive responses in specific areas, such as protocols, dress codes, etc. I would not be concerned with brain washing. If, however, it carries over in to breaking down your will to resist to anything, your ability to say no to anything, conditioning you to accept things without questioning or thinking, that would be classic signs of brainwashing and that is indeed unhealthy.

I hope that helps,

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RE: DUO-BDSM TRAINING? - 4/1/2005 7:00:08 PM   
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Thanks for all the great input.....As I am a pretty good submissive (an A-1 asset) and my Domme is a wonderful person who does mean well, I will probably just conclude that this is a very poor training situation and a waste of both our time.
The situation will need to be redirected elsewhere......

Thanks Again,
selwyn

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