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Due To Extreme Cold.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070312/ap_on_sc/polar_trek_1

As The Washington Post explains, Ann Bancroft (51) and Liv Arnesen (53) are two brave women. Their unusually intelligent and responsible colleagues decided to ask them to collect photographic evidence of global warming. Where do women at this advanced level of knowledge and brightness collect such evidence? Yes, you're right: at the North Pole. 

What temperatures do such sharp women expect at the North Pole? Well, you can get the idea if you listen to a third intelligent woman, Ann Atwood, who helped to organize the expedition and who might actually be the ultimate intellectual mother of many of the hard-to-believe aspects of this story. She said: "They were experiencing temperatures that weren't expected with global warming." I kid you not. They didn't expect damn freezing temperatures at the North Pole because they live in the world of global warming.

What temperatures did they actually experience at the North Pole? Well, sometimes minus 58 degrees inside the tent and minus 100 degrees outside it. Women who remember their elementary school a little bit more could even find these numbers in tables or textbooks. Well, due to extreme cold temperatures, Liv Arnesen suffered frostbite in three of her toes while the batteries in their electronic devices stopped working.

They were clearly not far from their Darwin Awards  [and here] that are given to the people whose death measurably increases the genetic quality of the mankind because the dead people demonstrate unusual stupidity that leads to their death.

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Every person whose IQ exceeds the women's IQ at least by 40 points knows that the amount of "trend" warming - if we can talk about it at all - is so tiny that it can hardly be measured by accurate devices ... and it can surely influence nothing qualitative whatsoever about the experience at the North Pole where the temperature is frequently 100 degrees below the convenient temperatures in our apartments.
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The corresponding changes are tiny, completely negligible in comparison with the natural weather fluctuations and local climate variations, and can only be seen if you measure the temperatures very accurately and average them very carefully. And even if you are a scientist who does so, the interpretation is both unclear and irrelevant for the planning of similar expeditions.

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The people who can't distinguish a 1 degree change per century from a 100 degree change per week ... are really so stupid that the humankind might benefit if they froze in the polar regions even if they're as physically fit as the two women are. Sorry if this conclusion sounds too cruel.

Well, at least these two women succeeded in bringing attention to global warming. And how do these wise women who "sounded extremely cold", as the third woman said, explain their experience when they're safe again? Has the story changed anything about their opinions?

You may guess. At least for the third woman who planned the trip, the answer is a resounding No: "But one of the things we see with global warming is unpredictability," Atwood said. Her belief is based on dogmas and no observations, no experiments, and no experience could ever influence it, not even if she brings two friends of her near death. Whatever happens to them is another proof of their belief. These are women who want to teach the world.

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Why is there Corn Syrup in Milk? BREAD, maybe if it's a shitty baker. I must be buying different Milk and Bread.

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

Why is there Corn Syrup in Milk? BREAD, maybe if it's a shitty baker. I must be buying different Milk and Bread.

Well the reference was to ONE commodity. The exact quote; "Take one product for example". I didn't feel the need to add charts on wheat, oats, soy, or any product that would go into the feeding of livestock; or that are in play as a result. When you check your investment portfolio next time you can see similar rise in prices for yourself. Suggest you also peruse the analysts who site the same opportunities for investment growth.

The attempt at deflecting the point is noted, but it remains unchanged. Global Warming is a profit making growth industry.

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FirmhandKY:

You and your blogger seems to think that 100 degree below zero is a pretty common temprature in the arctic.  The blogger then goes on at great length to disparage the people involved in the article. Average arctic tempretures run from zero to about 30 degrees f. So it would appear that 100 below is more than  a little unusual.

Scott and his team lost their lives at the south pole in 40 below weather  which was unusually cold for the antarctic.  It would appear that you and your blogger are flogging a dead horse. You and  your blogger seems not to understand the difference between climate and weather.  When your blogger states that the gene pool would be better off without these women may we  suppose that you and   he would feel the same way about Scott and his team?  Scientist doing research in a cold climate not understanding that it would be cold there seems a rather assinine position to hold.  That they did not die in the face of this extreme  weather is more a testament to their preparation for the expedition than to their alleged folly.
thompson

The Arctic is a major source of very cold air that moves toward the equator, meeting with warmer air in the middle latitudes and causing rain and snow. Minimum temperatures of - 90° F are reached in Greenland and northern Siberia; maximum temperatures of about 23° F to 36° F are common on the ice sheet, and highs of 70°F 100° F are common on land areas.

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What was it that (the Vice President of the United States) said when asked  (by Tim Russert on meet the press)what we would do if Hugo Chavez quit selling oil to the U.S, ....."we will go and take it" was his response.  If we no longer needed to import oil he would sound like more of a thug than he already does.
thompson

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FirmhandKY:

You and your blogger seems to think that 100 degree below zero is a pretty common temprature in the arctic.  The blogger then goes on at great length to disparage the people involved in the article. Average arctic tempretures run from zero to about 30 degrees f. So it would appear that 100 below is more than  a little unusual.

Scott and his team lost their lives at the south pole in 40 below weather  which was unusually cold for the antarctic.  It would appear that you and your blogger are flogging a dead horse. You and  your blogger seems not to understand the difference between climate and weather.  When your blogger states that the gene pool would be better off without these women may we  suppose that you and   he would feel the same way about Scott and his team?  Scientist doing research in a cold climate not understanding that it would be cold there seems a rather assinine position to hold.  That they did not die in the face of this extreme  weather is more a testament to their preparation for the expedition than to their alleged folly.
thompson

All things Arctic:

The Arctic is a major source of very cold air that moves toward the equator, meeting with warmer air in the middle latitudes and causing rain and snow. Minimum temperatures of - 90° F are reached in Greenland and northern Siberia; maximum temperatures of about 23° F to 36° F are common on the ice sheet, and highs of 70°F 100° F are common on land areas.

Failure to plan adequately, lack of knowledge and stupidity is what kills.  Anywhere, not just in the Arctic.

From the articles it almost appears as if they were "out on a jaunt" despite their so-called experience in cold weather regions. Seemingly deluded by the over-propagandized doomsday predictions of global warming proponents.

You don't go to the Arctic and plan for the "best case" temperature scenario if you want to live.  You plan for the worst case.

Risk analysis, baby, risk analysis. 

FirmKY

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What was it that (the Vice President of the United States) said when asked  (by Tim Russert on meet the press)what we would do if Hugo Chavez quit selling oil to the U.S, ....."we will go and take it" was his response.  If we no longer needed to import oil he would sound like more of a thug than he already does.
thompson

No, thompson, what the Vice President said was, "If Hugo Chavez quit selling us oil, Tim, we'll just have to allow our poor elderly to freeze in the winter, and die of heat exhaustion in the summer, and do without basic transportation as the wealthy Liberal elite demand. I know, I know, the poor will be hit hardest, but those are the sacrifices that Al Gore and Hugo Chavez demand, and we'll just have to go along with whatever they say."

Don't you remember? It was right before Hillary did her fabulous striptease act on "Face The Nation".

What - you don't believe me? What a coincidence, because I don't believe you either. Here's a great idea - why don't you try backing up some of your fantastic claims with links to reliable sources. After all, everybody's doing it!!!

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Sanity:

I gave you the cite....it is in the public domain.  If you are too lazy or ignorant to do so then I can be of no further help. 

I realize that it is much easier to say it is not so than to actually do research and read.  If you are content with your ignorance then by all means do not let me distract you from your sanctimonious self righteousness.
thompson

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

Sanity:

I gave you the cite....it is in the public domain.  If you are too lazy or ignorant to do so then I can be of no further help. 

I realize that it is much easier to say it is not so than to actually do research and read.  If you are content with your ignorance then by all means do not let me distract you from your sanctimonious self righteousness.
thompson

Rather than pissing and moaning about "sanctimonious self righteouseness, why not supply the cite?  I googled it several different ways and couldn't locate it.

You are the one claiming it.  The onus is on you to prove it.

FirmKY

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FirmhandKY:

You and your blogger seems to think that 100 degree below zero is a pretty common temprature in the arctic.  The blogger then goes on at great length to disparage the people involved in the article. Average arctic tempretures run from zero to about 30 degrees f. So it would appear that 100 below is more than  a little unusual.

Scott and his team lost their lives at the south pole in 40 below weather  which was unusually cold for the antarctic.  It would appear that you and your blogger are flogging a dead horse. You and  your blogger seems not to understand the difference between climate and weather.  When your blogger states that the gene pool would be better off without these women may we  suppose that you and   he would feel the same way about Scott and his team?  Scientist doing research in a cold climate not understanding that it would be cold there seems a rather assinine position to hold.  That they did not die in the face of this extreme  weather is more a testament to their preparation for the expedition than to their alleged folly.
thompson

All things Arctic:

The Arctic is a major source of very cold air that moves toward the equator, meeting with warmer air in the middle latitudes and causing rain and snow. Minimum temperatures of - 90° F are reached in Greenland and northern Siberia; maximum temperatures of about 23° F to 36° F are common on the ice sheet, and highs of 70°F 100° F are common on land areas.

Failure to plan adequately, lack of knowledge and stupidity is what kills.  Anywhere, not just in the Arctic.

From the articles it almost appears as if they were "out on a jaunt" despite their so-called experience in cold weather regions. Seemingly deluded by the over-propagandized doomsday predictions of global warming proponents.

You don't go to the Arctic and plan for the "best case" temperature scenario if you want to live.  You plan for the worst case.

Risk analysis, baby, risk analysis. 

FirmKY

FirmhandKY:
Do you bother to read what I say before you disagree with it? Citing the minimum temp is hardly relevant.  Try reading my post in its entirety...it seems that they did plan for worst case because they survived the worst case with minimum injury.
thompson

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Sanity:

I gave you the cite....it is in the public domain.  If you are too lazy or ignorant to do so then I can be of no further help. 

I realize that it is much easier to say it is not so than to actually do research and read.  If you are content with your ignorance then by all means do not let me distract you from your sanctimonious self righteousness.
thompson

Rather than pissing and moaning about "sanctimonious self righteouseness, why not supply the cite?  I googled it several different ways and couldn't locate it.

You are the one claiming it.  The onus is on you to prove it.
FirmKY