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RE: "Gas prices rise to average of $2.55 a gallon&... - 3/14/2007 5:08:52 PM   
lonlyrossInNeed


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i am not republican or domecrat some would say i am i am independant but i vote for who i think the best will be at the time and the last 2 elections where for bush ok shoot me now
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ORIGINAL: Griswold

I hate to say it folks....being a lifelong Republican (God help me) but....Bush is an oil man.

Do the math.

He came in...(an oil man) oil went up.

You won't see 25 dollar oil again if you elect Democrats, solely because Bush has proven that the world is just peachy with 60 dollar oil...ergo...45 dollar oil is just peachy.

You can have 45 dollar oil again (but not 25).

Along with that, electing Democrats, you can have freeways and local roads built with 75 dollar an hour labour (Federal Davis Bacon act), you can have trucking that costs 9 cents a mile instead of 6 cents (union labor gaining a foothold under Democrats) which means your cabbage will cost $1.37 per each instead of $0.89 each, but all in all....as a lifelong Republican....I'd be good with Bush...and his practices...gone.

Democrats...they're just as corrupt as the fucking Republicans.

The world has now become aware, thanks to Mr. Bush that 60 PLUS dollar oil is affordable...more importantly...agreeable.

You agreed.

It's time to put the SUV's in the garage, relegate them to history, start paying extra (yes, it will hurt) to put solar panels on your roofs, drive a little less as the previous commentator mentioned, turn your heat down a smidge, wear a sweater as so many lambasted Carter for, buy 2 loaves of bread when one would suffice, stock up on soup, cheese, and Koolaid (all these things will decrease your trips to the store), and take the snow chains (and all that other shit you're carrying in your back seat and trunk) out of your car in March and put them in again in November....'cause...you're carrying around the equivalent of a 275 pound man in your car every year, 12 months out of the year, every day...

(And that's eating up easily 8% or more of your gas mileage).

You can change this.  Complaining isn't going to make it go away.

Commit to change.



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RE: "Gas prices rise to average of $2.55 a gallon&... - 3/14/2007 6:08:20 PM   
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I'm going to end this here, because it's tiresome, but I'll point out why this statement is blessedly uninformed. Have you heard of the concept of demand elasticity? Go look it up, if you haven't. If you're talking about inelastic goods (and petroleum is an inelastic good), what you've said is false. You might learn a thing or two about the California energy crisis, by the way, if you discover why prices for electricity were supposed to be controlled. That has to do with demand elasticity too.

Of course, I'm the one who doesn't understand a thing about the science of economics. Amusing. Last time I was an ideologue. Don't I get to be an ideologue this time too? This time I'm just an ignoramus.

Bye bye.

First off, I am sorry I called you ignorant. The truth is somebody at work got my dander up and when a checked in on the thread shortly afterward I was still angry and I ended up taking it out on you. I apologize for it.

I still stand by my ideologue theory, though – at least when it comes to global warming (and no, we are not going to get back into that).

As for the rest:

Yes, I know what demand elasticity is. Yes, I know that petroleum is not very elastic. But the ability to make a profit by selling low price/high volume and inelasticity are not mutually exclusive. The oil companies certainly sell a high volume of their product don’t they? This doesn’t necessarily mean that they will sell at low prices but being inelastic doesn’t mean they can sell at prices that are too high either. If people can’t afford it – no matter how much they need it – then they can’t afford it and at some point the oil companies would start to loose money. And being inelastic doesn’t mean no elasticity at all. There are a range of prices at which gasoline does have some substitutes. If gas suddenly rose to five dollars a gallon you’d see a lot more people bicycling to work all of a sudden. That’s assuming that they had a job, of course, since such a sudden increase would be certain to start a recession (maybe even a depression). Now that I think about it, look at Europe: High gas prices, high unemployment, lots of bicycles.

Also, bear in mind that prices aren’t the only thing that affects demand. The baby boom resulted in a sudden influx of new drivers – increasing the demand for gasoline.

Well, I got to get back to deciphering ferryman’s posts from that other thread. I still haven’t figured out what the post office and Ebay have to do with nuclear weapons or pre-emptive strikes. Probably won’t figure it out tonight, though – "Lost" comes on at ten.

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RE: "Gas prices rise to average of $2.55 a gallon&... - 3/14/2007 6:16:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Having a Bush as president that is intermingled with oil. Of course he is going to get rich on our money...if it really is our money?

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RE: "Gas prices rise to average of $2.55 a gallon&... - 3/14/2007 6:20:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah, I understand now why the other guys, Fargle, Thompson, Popeye questioned your capacity for understanding english and twisting words to suit your agendas as well as responding to rational logic. It is obviously beyond your capability. And, you must be having difficulty twisting my words as well, BTW, I did respond about the Ebay and Post Office insertion comment, typical of you to choose that diversion rather than answer the other, but then again, you obviously can't replie or even dispute what I wrote or have difficulty separating fantasy from contrived fiction, and my insertion is your easy way out.

Just take your nap and remember to take your medication.

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RE: "Gas prices rise to average of $2.55 a gallon&... - 3/14/2007 6:25:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: Archer

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ORIGINAL: UtopianRanger



Why is it that when gas goes down it creeps down at a very slow pace, but when it starts to increase in price it's two to three times faster?

OK I'll answer that question directly
You have a 30,000 gallon tank priced currently at 2.00 a gallon, and you get word on Monday that Friday when you refill your tanks the price will be not 2.00 but 2.10
That means to refill your tank on Friday you need  not $60,000 but rather $63,000 when are you going to raise your pump price Friday or Monday?
The price moves down slower because during the time between Friday the 1st and monday the 4th the retailer has lost opportunity to charge the replacement cost of his stock. Thus they make it up on the back side.



I guess my other question for you to a much lesser degree would be:  Why do you suppose when a handful of average, hardworking American people speak to the wonderment /bitch about the possibility of being gouged, why does a small handful of folks always run in and parrot propaganda from the corporate media that seems to justify such bogus prices?

Because the answer given fits into the basic outline of what I know to be factual and logical. Supply and demand is factual and logical




- R






yeh sort of like pre-emptive pricing.

If you know the price is going to go up you charge right away so that you can sell the gas you bought at 2bucks per at 2.1 per.  

Then when the price drops you wait till the gas you bought at 2.1 is empty and you are refilled at 2 per, one full then slowly drop the price down to 2 again just in case it goes up again!  LOL




And if you don't do you can buy 25,000 gallons this time and never make back enough to top the tank off all the way. (yes this assumes that the gasoline is the sole product of the station).

assuming the tank is the only thing you look at
2.00 a gallon filled it this time next time it will be 2.10 unless you raise the price as soon as you find out you will not be able to afford to restock.
Just a basic fact of retail goods. If you drop the ball and don't change until afterwards then you reduce the volume of product you can afford to buy.



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RE: "Gas prices rise to average of $2.55 a gallon&... - 3/14/2007 6:33:44 PM   
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RE: "Gas prices rise to average of $2.55 a gallon&... - 3/14/2007 6:36:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Griswold

I was under the impression that oil prices were the predominant factor in gasoline pricing...with some minor variation.



If I'm not mistaken (and it's been known to happen), most of the retail price you pay for gasoline at the pump consists of taxes and fees, NOT the cost of the petroleum itself. 

Also for what it's worth, I mostly carpool and I own stock in oil companies.  Now obviously that isn't an option for everyone, but it works for my wallet!  

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RE: "Gas prices rise to average of $2.55 a gallon&... - 3/14/2007 6:45:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ferryman777

Hey, Hey, Hey, back off there feller, I'll have you know if marc2b says 'IT' then it's true, irregardless of the actual truth. If you doubt me, just ask marc2b, he has ALL the answers. He knows the whys and cause, just ask him. But...after his nap.


"Lost" come on in fifteen minutes.

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RE: "Gas prices rise to average of $2.55 a gallon&... - 3/15/2007 12:00:20 AM   
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RE: "Gas prices rise to average of $2.55 a gallon&... - 3/15/2007 12:04:45 AM   
justmi


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RE: "Gas prices rise to average of $2.55 a gallon&... - 3/15/2007 6:19:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaste
OK, I'll bite.  What exactly does "supply is down" mean?  Supply of what exactly?


LMFAO!!! you Sir, are hereby awarded pahunkboys informal "post of the day award!"

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!

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RE: "Gas prices rise to average of $2.55 a gallon&... - 3/15/2007 6:24:39 AM   
pahunkboy


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burrpp.  $2.60 here in central pa.  it is no surprise. in my home search i actually did consider being centrally located. to stores and drs. i wantedd to live in the boonies- but looks like ill stay in town.

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RE: "Gas prices rise to average of $2.55 a gallon&... - 3/15/2007 8:14:48 AM   
lonlyrossInNeed


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ORIGINAL: sexypet

i wish my 6 week old 2007 Honda Civic EX was getting better than 21 mpg city.  sticker said 30.......my 2002 got 30.......trying to remember why i traded it in.....lol


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RE: "Gas prices rise to average of $2.55 a gallon&... - 3/15/2007 8:28:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		If we had taken the 300 Billion flushed down the toilet trying to bring freedom and liberty to Iraq, and instead used it for developing our own energy independence, the market for oil would have tanked, oil would be 10 bucks a barrel, and you'd be paying 80 cents a gallon.

But, I guess Bush just wasn't sophisticated enough to see that. Or he makes a shitload of money NOT doing it.



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RE: "Gas prices rise to average of $2.55 a gallon&... - 3/15/2007 9:01:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hello, just a comment. During the Reagan years, California gas prices jumped considerably. When Reagan was critized for the increases, and told that the current price was composed of other  and various taxes, and that the law only permits increases on the product itself, that the state cannot charge the increases to the tax portion of the total price, (which is what happened); he explained it all away.....it is too difficult to figure the product only increases, so we factioned it into the entire price.

And that was that. Basically every opposing voice said...oh, okay.

Now, my guess is, that after this election, all hell will break loose. The cry will be the costs of the Iraq war, the increase costs needed to fight the terrorist threat,  balancing the budget. And...then to pay for this......gas prices will go up, and up, and up. I guess we'll see around 5+ bucks per gallon real quick.

If Hillary is elected....she and all the Dems will be the villians of this economic chaos. 

I think some people believe in this 'supply & demand' concept, and that the oil companies are scrabbling to supply the demand and are just overwhelmed, they are doing all they can do to keep prices down, but the production costs are just going too high.

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RE: "Gas prices rise to average of $2.55 a gallon&... - 3/15/2007 9:20:22 AM   
ferryman777


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Status: offline 		Oh com'on FargleB....Bush just wants to bring peace, stability, freedom and democracy to a troubled world. To have every country be the master of their own destinies. Oil has nothing to do with his motives for invasion and pre-emptive war. The costs were just something that had to be, he had to make a decision to protect his country;  and not to worry, it'll be all sorted out, the people will just have to be taxed a little, no biggie. The Iraq people were begging for us to invade them, to get rid of their dictator, they want us there, they're glad we are there. Our attack/invasion saved the world from eminent chaos and destruction.  Mission accomplished.

Other sources for fuel?????? There are no other sources. Devlope alternatives to oil, ....FargelB; that would cost billions if not trillions.
I don't understand your reasoning. I mean, there is the ready supply of the oil already......we are not going to run out of the fossil fuel.

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RE: "Gas prices rise to average of $2.55 a gallon&... - 3/15/2007 9:39:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		I know the feeling; I wish my bettle would get better gas mileage.  I do curtail my driving, on weekends I try to park one entire day, not drive anywhere, and do Sat. and Sun both on occasion. I dumped my gass guzzling chevy van for the bettle. My neighbor, just last week, bought a Hummer H2. Ah well.  I have an associate who bought a Rolls, can't afford the ins, plates, gass mileage, about 6 or 7 miles per. So she drives it at night, sneaking it out of the garage, no plates, no ins.

I really don't mind if the prices go to even 12 bucks a gallon. I mean the oil companies are doing their best, and maintaing these refineries are costly, they need upgrading to be able to supply the demand as low as possible and they need to make a buck, stimulates the country as a whole. I figure I'll just dump the bettle then, get a bicycle, it really doesn't bother me when I see the other guys being chauffered to the golf course, while I take the bus, or bike it to work. I mean they earned their limos.

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RE: "Gas prices rise to average of $2.55 a gallon&... - 3/15/2007 9:50:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

If we had taken the 300 Billion flushed down the toilet trying to bring freedom and liberty to Iraq, and instead used it for developing our own energy independence, the market for oil would have tanked, oil would be 10 bucks a barrel, and you'd be paying 80 cents a gallon.

But, I guess Bush just wasn't sophisticated enough to see that. Or he makes a shitload of money NOT doing it.




agreed 100%

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RE: "Gas prices rise to average of $2.55 a gallon&... - 3/15/2007 1:40:47 PM   
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If we had taken the 300 Billion flushed down the toilet trying to bring freedom and liberty to Iraq, and instead used it for developing our own energy independence, the market for oil would have tanked, oil would be 10 bucks a barrel, and you'd be paying 80 cents a gallon.


Just curious, while I've all for serching out alternative fuels and energy sources (and for conservation), would your program for energy independence include increasing domestic production by drilling more in Alaska and off shore?  I ask because, in the short term, I don't see how we could achieve greater energy independence without more domestic drilling, but some people won't hear of it. 

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RE: "Gas prices rise to average of $2.55 a gallon&... - 3/15/2007 1:51:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Marc2b

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If we had taken the 300 Billion flushed down the toilet trying to bring freedom and liberty to Iraq, and instead used it for developing our own energy independence, the market for oil would have tanked, oil would be 10 bucks a barrel, and you'd be paying 80 cents a gallon.


Just curious, while I've all for serching out alternative fuels and energy sources (and for conservation), would your program for energy independence include increasing domestic production by drilling more in Alaska and off shore?  I ask because, in the short term, I don't see how we could achieve greater energy independence without more domestic drilling, but some people won't hear of it. 


this is almost a question for Alaskans....ppl who live there.....  thier govr revoked some drilling license on the north slope as he felt the state was getting a raw deal....
ild really like to hear what native alaskans think on this issue.

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