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RE: Punishments and Consideration period - 3/14/2007 6:29:02 PM   
dawntreader


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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

Letters of intent, collars of consideration, buttplugs of curiousity and nipple rings of enchantment ....


omg!!! i love this!

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RE: Punishments and Consideration period - 3/14/2007 9:11:01 PM   
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I think a lot of people replying to this thread are missing the point completely. How so?

To me, being under consideration by a Dominant is that period in between the time I have offered my submission and acceptance of his/her authority and before their acceptance of that submission.

During this period the Dominant and submissive are on equal terms. It's friendship, getting to know one another, negotiation, setting the ground rules and working out how and what the relationship is going to be about.

A good Dominant should never accept that submission from a submissive until the moment they feel that the submissive is right for them and also that the relationship is going to be as they want and are prepared to accept. A good submissive should realise that they are giving their consent during this period of consideration, but what they are ultimately giving their consent to is what is going to happen after the Dominant has accepted their offer of submission, and they should accept that after this point, when the Dominant has accepted their submission, they have no further right to negotiate and withdrawal of their consent does mean the end of the relationship.

What I don't understand is how people start going into issues of dominance and submission, play, discipline and punishment before the Dominant has accepted the submissive's offer of submission. This is where all the problems begin.

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RE: Punishments and Consideration period - 3/14/2007 9:25:08 PM   
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thank you all for both your kind and harsh comments....all are appreciated..

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RE: Punishments and Consideration period - 3/14/2007 10:10:31 PM   
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Karma,

Thanks for showing far more class than most, someone will realize they would be lucky to have you.

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RE: Punishments and Consideration period - 3/14/2007 10:26:32 PM   
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STELLA,

Sorry, couldn't help it!  Anyway as a proud BAD dominant, I just have to say not only did I find the following to be complete bullshit, I can't even understand exactly what sort of bullshit it is, nor exactly when each level of bullshit starts or ends, but trust me, I am really sure it is all bullshit.

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  A good Dominant should never accept that submission from a submissive until the moment they feel that the submissive is right for them and also that the relationship is going to be as they want and are prepared to accept. A good submissive should realise that they are giving their consent during this period of consideration, but what they are ultimately giving their consent to is what is going to happen after the Dominant has accepted their offer of submission, and they should accept that after this point, when the Dominant has accepted their submission, they have no further right to negotiate and withdrawal of their consent does mean the end of the relationship.


Okay okay okay, the stench is to much for me and I am going to have to tear this apart as I believe this sort of muddle headed bullshit fucks up more relationships and causes more heartburn and ruined buttplugs of curiosity than this county can afford.

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  A good Dominant should never accept that submission from a submissive until the moment they feel that the submissive is right for them


Okay, so if he can't accept the submission how then can he experience it?  Also, if that is the case, that would certainly take a year or two for most serious human beings, or say 3-6 months for most of us perverts.

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  A good Dominant should never accept that submission from a submissive until the moment they feel ... that the relationship is going to be as they want and are prepared to accept.


Oh but so many of us fantasize about all the training and molding we were gonna do, fuck what they hell do I do with that 80 page list of rules?

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  A good submissive should realise that they are giving their consent during this period of consideration, but what they are ultimately giving their consent to is what is going to happen after the Dominant has accepted their offer of submission


But wait, I thought that the dom only took the sub if he knew she was perfect for him so if they aren't giving consent for the way it is happening now but only in the way it will happen after, how do they know know what will happen later?


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and they (the submissive) should accept that after this point, when the Dominant has accepted their submission, they have no further right to negotiate .


Oh god that sounds so hot, I just want to go and wank off right now!  You know, that MIGHT be true for a few but anyone new who signs on to that sort of shit is heading for trouble and anyone who asks it of someone who doesn't have some serious QUALITY experience is a fucking moron (yes, I made an absolute that I back 99.9% of the time)

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 withdrawal of their consent does mean the end of the relationship.


Okay, we end in agreement..

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RE: Punishments and Consideration period - 3/14/2007 11:34:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Kana

...I make them do things like read Aristotle, or learn how to change a tire...


This reminded me of an interview with Frank Zappa, years ago, where he admitted the most effective punishment for his kids was forcing them to watch televangelists.

i still shudder at the thought...

Master's dorei

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RE: Punishments and Consideration period - 3/15/2007 12:13:33 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Attendedkarma

I want to know if its common place for a Dom or Domme to punish a sub/slave during the consideration period? I had this experience not that long ago...I was under consideration by a Dom from this site (i retracted the offer last night) and I did something that was innapropriate(not getting into it though) and he was trying to think up a punishment for me, well at the time that I did this innaproprate thing i thought that he had accepted me into training and was more than willing to accept what ever punishment he gave me...well then during the course of our conversation i asked him if in fact he had accepted me and he told me no that I was still under consideration and then i asked him then how is he going to punish me if im still under consideration and he told me that its like a job interview....anyways.. back to my question..i would like to hear from both Dominants and submissives.. thanks


i'm under consideration right now as well and my Dom has punished me quite a few times already, it's part of my and his learning process to see if he still wants me. Which he has told me that he will never let me go . Hope this helps you a little at least.
Good luck

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RE: Punishments and Consideration period - 3/15/2007 12:32:01 AM   
Attendedkarma


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Simply Michael- I know this is gonna sound strange but a compliment comming from you is highly regarded....... Thank you..I just dont see any point in getting pissed off at someone elces comments...Everyone has a right to their own opinions and I know for a fact that the world isnt made of rainbows, butterflies, and kittens so why would i expect that on here? If I didnt want a variety of input i wouldnt of posted it here..I would of kept it to myself lol...I really do appreciate all the comments that I have gotten and it dosent really matter if i agree with them or not....

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RE: Punishments and Consideration period - 3/15/2007 4:56:47 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

STELLA,

Sorry, couldn't help it!  Anyway as a proud BAD dominant, I just have to say not only did I find the following to be complete bullshit, I can't even understand exactly what sort of bullshit it is, nor exactly when each level of bullshit starts or ends, but trust me, I am really sure it is all bullshit.

quote:

  A good Dominant should never accept that submission from a submissive until the moment they feel that the submissive is right for them and also that the relationship is going to be as they want and are prepared to accept. A good submissive should realise that they are giving their consent during this period of consideration, but what they are ultimately giving their consent to is what is going to happen after the Dominant has accepted their offer of submission, and they should accept that after this point, when the Dominant has accepted their submission, they have no further right to negotiate and withdrawal of their consent does mean the end of the relationship.


Okay okay okay, the stench is to much for me and I am going to have to tear this apart as I believe this sort of muddle headed bullshit fucks up more relationships and causes more heartburn and ruined buttplugs of curiosity than this county can afford.

quote:

  A good Dominant should never accept that submission from a submissive until the moment they feel that the submissive is right for them


Okay, so if he can't accept the submission how then can he experience it?  Also, if that is the case, that would certainly take a year or two for most serious human beings, or say 3-6 months for most of us perverts.

quote:

  A good Dominant should never accept that submission from a submissive until the moment they feel ... that the relationship is going to be as they want and are prepared to accept.


Oh but so many of us fantasize about all the training and molding we were gonna do, fuck what they hell do I do with that 80 page list of rules?

quote:

  A good submissive should realise that they are giving their consent during this period of consideration, but what they are ultimately giving their consent to is what is going to happen after the Dominant has accepted their offer of submission


But wait, I thought that the dom only took the sub if he knew she was perfect for him so if they aren't giving consent for the way it is happening now but only in the way it will happen after, how do they know know what will happen later?


quote:

and they (the submissive) should accept that after this point, when the Dominant has accepted their submission, they have no further right to negotiate .


Oh god that sounds so hot, I just want to go and wank off right now!  You know, that MIGHT be true for a few but anyone new who signs on to that sort of shit is heading for trouble and anyone who asks it of someone who doesn't have some serious QUALITY experience is a fucking moron (yes, I made an absolute that I back 99.9% of the time)

quote:

 withdrawal of their consent does mean the end of the relationship.


Okay, we end in agreement..


Okay...

I got the one in the Fake Dom thread...

and you got this one...

so next one is mine all right, buddy?

If I got into labeling the stages of my relationships (which I dont), consideration period for me is the time when I am "testing the submissive waters". The time you have described Stella is the period of time before that ever happens when its still vanilla.

Its a very nice romantic theory, but given the experiences I have had with D/S, it wont work for me.

I also think you are the one you who has missed the point because your way of doing things isnt the One True Way and it comes off a bit arrogant to suggest that we're all wrong because we dont do it that way.

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