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RE: 9/11 Mastermind Confesses - 3/16/2007 12:23:28 AM   
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It was stated as a fact that someone in the board room caused the problem.   Who, what boardroom, what was the address, who were the attendees?

It was stated as fact that tthe confession was a lie and it got ludricus from there.  Who wrote the lie, how can you prove it was a lie, why wasn't the lier prosecuted for purgery?

What made Building 7 fall down?   beats me   I am not an engineer.  I could think of a lot of possible answers, but then they would all be speculation and I don't want to confuse speculation with statements of fact.   And what made building 7 fall down has what to do with the confession other than it occurred on 9/11?

It was statted as a fact that the confession was a ruse.  I haven't seen any proof of it, lots of speculative words but no proof.

I haven't seen or heard of any of the leadership of any of the political parties making these accuzations.   Does that mean that they are in league with the President or as I think, the accuzations just aren't true or put  out by conspiracy therorists.   All I am asking for is for someone to prove their case, provide the names, dates, places, etc. with the appropriate references so that if you have proven your case then we can move on to a court.

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RE: 9/11 Mastermind Confesses - 3/16/2007 1:54:36 AM   
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It was stated as a fact that someone in the board room caused the problem. Who, what boardroom, what was the address, who were the attendees?

Sherlock Holmes said that it was the guy who wrote the manual.

 
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ORIGINAL: KenDckey
It was stated as fact that the confession was a lie and it got ludricus from there.  Who wrote the lie, how can you prove it was a lie, why wasn't the lier prosecuted for purgery?

Who set the camel driver up as the fall guy?
How: because someone as stupid as this camel driver could never have been responsible for the comet that killed off the dinosaurs.
Why: now that would not have been in the interest of the true perpetrators, would it?

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And what made building 7 fall down has what to do with the confession other than it occurred on 9/11?

It has everything to do with the confession, but it has nothing to do with the confessing camel driver.

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It was stated as a fact that the confession was a ruse.  I haven't seen any proof of it, lots of speculative words but no proof.

The proof is in the proof that is not seen. What is a confession but a bit of hot air, especially in this case? Confessions do not proof anything. Astronomers can blather all they want about the planets they discovered orbiting far stars, but who is as silly as to believe them without proof? Proof consists of facts, not of talk. No astronomer has ever offered proof - a photograph - of the existence of said extrasolar planets and no astronomer ever will, because they cannot photograph what is not there. As for that camel driver: Sherlock Holmes found a bit of camel dung in a footprint - but all the evidence that we are offered by the prosecutors of this camel driver does not even amount to as much as that.

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I haven't seen or heard of any of the leadership of any of the political parties making these accuzations. Does that mean that they are in league with the President

Politics is theatre. Just sit back and watch the show. Them actors are doing such a good job that they most certainly are underpaid.
 
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All I am asking for is for someone to prove their case, provide the names, dates, places, etc. with the appropriate references so that if you have proven your case then we can move on to a court.

To a court? You had better pray to the Divine that lightning strikes the guilty, for you will get no other justice.

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RE: 9/11 Mastermind Confesses - 3/16/2007 4:21:37 AM   
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Come on Rule   I ask for specifics and get sarcasim.   I ask for proof and get BS.  Stand up and be counted for a change.   I am trying to understand your position and am a willing audience.  But mind games only - at least in my eyes - make you look smaller and smaller.

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RE: 9/11 Mastermind Confesses - 3/16/2007 4:42:28 AM   
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I have about 170,000 words of it - in Dutch. I expect to be assassinated within days when I sent it to publishers. So what to do?

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RE: 9/11 Mastermind Confesses - 3/16/2007 6:05:14 AM   
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It was stated as a fact that someone in the board room caused the problem.   Who, what boardroom, what was the address, who were the attendees?

Well i am sorry Ken but that is classified   (cia)

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It was stated as fact that tthe confession was a lie and it got ludricus from there.  Who wrote the lie, how can you prove it was a lie, why wasn't the lier prosecuted for purgery?

Again Ken i am very sorry but that was cut out because it too is classified.

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What made Building 7 fall down?   beats me   I am not an engineer.  I could think of a lot of possible answers, but then they would all be speculation and I don't want to confuse speculation with statements of fact.   And what made building 7 fall down has what to do with the confession other than it occurred on 9/11?


TERROR made building 7 fall

Building 7 fell down as a result of terror and it just took it a little longer because of those raging fires that were out of control and all part of that masterplan, so it ties in quite nicely

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It was statted as a fact that the confession was a ruse.  I haven't seen any proof of it, lots of speculative words but no proof.

Please show WE THE PEOPLE the proof it is NOT a RUSE!  LOL

Got video?  How was he treated?  Drugged? Beaten? Side deals? Did they read him his rights?  Habeous corpus? geneva convention?  If you want to take the governments side then prove it to we the people that this was a legitimate interogation and confession.

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I haven't seen or heard of any of the leadership of any of the political parties making these accuzations.   Does that mean that they are in league with the President or as I think, the accuzations just aren't true or put  out by conspiracy therorists.


YES!  Isnt bipartisanship a wonderful concept?  Its called despotism.


It was the "leadership" that said it was an alqiada "conspiracy" against the freedoms of this country.  THEY are the conspiracy theorists not WE THE PEOPLE!

So i agree this was put out by conspiracy theorists that so far had one of our representatives fly over and formally apologize to the so called accused living conspirators in saudi who are working honest jobs and their lives have been ruined after being falsely accused by this governemnt.

The "leadership" has yet to PROVE "their" conspiracy theory has any validity what so ever and in fact has gone through great measure to block us, WE THE PEOPLE, from investigating it as well.

This is called this double speak, they are the conspiracy theorists and we just want answers and proofs to obvious problems in their "theory" and that is "their" responsibility to prove.  This has not been done.  

Again, building 7, defense system, HOW?  Prove that alquaida did it.

Never gonna happen because there isnt a snowballs chance in hell alqaida did it and they have their titty caught in the ringer.

OBL isnt even wanted for anything in connection with the wtc because the FBI admitted they have NO HARD EVIDENCE ON HIM and therefore CANNOT GET AN INDICTMENT!!!!

The democrats arent going to come to the rescue either in a grand  bipartisan effort of cooperation to keep the government from embarrassment.  LMFAO

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ORIGINAL: KenDckey
All I am asking for is for someone to prove their case, provide the names, dates, places, etc. with the appropriate references so that if you have proven your case then we can move on to a court.


If this guy masterminded all these atrocities then an explanation is in order for building 7, as well as how the us security systems all failed.

Again without that section added you and others who take your position have failed to investigate for the truth of the 911 disaster.   i have already posted a verbal confession of who was responsible for building 7 that the us government claims was due to fire out of control.  Its already been posted where the REAL guilty party admits it on national television and he didnt mention anything about this guy masterminding anything.

We went to war and blew the fucking hell out of 2 countries as a result of finding a passport with attas name on it that any kid with a computer could have created in his bedroom as "THEIR" proof of the 911 OBL conspiracy.  

Funny anyone would buy into that.

Oh and even funnier that the accused were all saudi so we attack afghans and iraquies while the saudis help us go out on covert missions and no one is the wiser.

Well "WE THE PEOPLE" have been asking for PROOF since the day those towers fell in 2001 and all we got is blocked investigations, evasive answers, suits endlessly tied up in the courts, courts removing our rights.  The patriot act, the military commissions act and a group of american citizens, i mean individuals, who reversed the burden of proof to the citizenry thus giving the government absolute authority that they do NOT RIGHTFULLY HAVE becoming part of the problem rather than the solution.

Yep that all makes perfect sense to me.  Now thats a conspiracy!  Against the constitution and this nation for which it stands!

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RE: 9/11 Mastermind Confesses - 3/16/2007 7:07:01 AM   
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Well Real   People like me demand proof of alligations.   All you provide is retoric which isn't supported by any of the major political entities.  Aparently the demand for proof makes us wrong in your eyes because it appears to me, at least, that all you do is attack us for just asking.   You haven't provided any proof of anything where I have seen proof of the view oposing you.   guess we will never agree.  To bad.  I wanted to be educated not chastized for blindly following you.

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RE: 9/11 Mastermind Confesses - 3/16/2007 7:14:52 AM   
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Just one more scapegoat to add to the list.  911 was created by suits in a boardroom somewhere.


Proof?

KenDckey:
What made building 7 fall down?
thompson


Gravity?

Please dont respond that gravity cannot be reconciled by Quantum Mechanics and general relativity, I am not Einstein.

Sinerg

Sinergy:
There is no such thing as gravity....the earth sux.
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RE: 9/11 Mastermind Confesses - 3/16/2007 7:22:26 AM   
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Well Real   People like me demand proof of alligations.   All you provide is retoric which isn't supported by any of the major political entities.  Aparently the demand for proof makes us wrong in your eyes because it appears to me, at least, that all you do is attack us for just asking.   You haven't provided any proof of anything where I have seen proof of the view oposing you.   guess we will never agree.  To bad.  I wanted to be educated not chastized for blindly following you.


well you may want to consider running for office ken since you feel the burden of proof for government actions falls on backs of its citizenry that have been blocked from investigating them.

They alledge he is the mastermind so prove it!  If you cannot prove it then it is a ruse.

I am supposed to prove "their" allegations how fucking absurd.

Oh wait...

interrogator:  R1 is that document a ruse?

R1:  Yes sir it is a ruse.

Thank you for your cooperation R1.

There you go, now you got as much proof from me as they have given you!

LMFAO

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RE: 9/11 Mastermind Confesses - 3/16/2007 7:42:30 AM   
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Did you hear Khalid Sheeikh Mohammed, as well as admitting plotting 9/11, Bali Bombs, shoe bomber, London bombs has also confessed to Being on the Grassy knowl when JFK was killedBeing in the Fiat Uno when Princess Diana diedKidnapping ShergarGiving Lord Lucan a safehouseConverting the Loch Ness Monster to Islam....

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RE: 9/11 Mastermind Confesses - 3/16/2007 9:53:22 AM   
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Did you hear Khalid Sheeikh Mohammed, as well as admitting plotting 9/11, Bali Bombs, shoe bomber, London bombs has also confessed to Being on the Grassy knowl when JFK was killedBeing in the Fiat Uno when Princess Diana diedKidnapping ShergarGiving Lord Lucan a safehouseConverting the Loch Ness Monster to Islam....


rofl   yeah   on this thread   lol

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RE: 9/11 Mastermind Confesses - 3/16/2007 9:59:31 AM   
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It was statted as a fact that the confession was a ruse.  I haven't seen any proof of it, lots of speculative words but no proof.



What exactly would work as proof for you?

In the United States, criminal cases demand that you prove a person is guilty of a crime beyond a reasonable doubt.

This is why Monkeyboy is demanding the use of military tribunals that are not subject to the rule of US laws.

Preponderance of the evidence (say, a confession) is not enough.

I am not saying his confession was untrue.  I am stating it will not hold up in a criminal trial because the methods used to elicit his confession render it null and void.

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RE: 9/11 Mastermind Confesses - 3/16/2007 1:26:40 PM   
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What kind of proof would I require? Very good question.

First lets review the allegations made in just this thread and approach each one separately.

He got NORAD and the FAA to stand down - I personally think that he didn’t have to get anyone to stand down. The FAA and NORAD are both screwed up enough (my opinion) that he didn’t need to.

It is a ruse - Some kind of reference someplace saying it is a ruse. It should also come from some credible source. I personally don’t trust the media but I would even accept that.

Denied equal protection and due process - 14th Amendment debate is good. The reference is credible and we can just disagree as to its applicability.

It is a production - If it were a production there would be credits for the electrician and sound man.


He was a prisoner of war - I have read the Geneva Convention and terrorists fall outside those protections. I am not saying that it shouldn’t be updated, and I am not saying it is right, just international law. But then there are lots of things under international law that confuse me like why when a ship runs aground that the cargo is responsible for the damages.

Gitmo is an illegal occupation of Cuba - if that were true, I think the Soviet Union would have kicked us out a long time ago and the UN would have sanctions against us.

9/11 was created by suits in a boardroom - Name them and show some way that the accomplished it using references.

What bothers me is that because someone says something on a thread it must be gospel.  The alligation carries more weight than truth and goes unsubstantiated by any form of credible reference.   Now if the alligation were stated as an opinion in some manner then I would have no problem with it at all.  That is why I carefully word my opinions.  So that someone can only challenge me and wht I think and I don't have to prove my opinion.

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RE: 9/11 Mastermind Confesses - 3/16/2007 1:41:54 PM   
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Gitmo is an illegal occupation of Cuba - if that were true, I think the Soviet Union would have kicked us out a long time ago and the UN would have sanctions against us.
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What has the Soviet Union (which has not existed in some time) got to do with the illegal occupation of Guantanamo, Cuba?
Since we hold one of the permanant seats on the security council at the U.N. we could veto any action by that body.
Why do you not address the illegality of the U.S. occupation of Guantanamo,Cuba...by what authority do we occupy that space?
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RE: 9/11 Mastermind Confesses - 3/16/2007 1:52:32 PM   
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The soviet union existed until it disbanded but was the communist friend of Cuba.   I don't think Russia could care less.  But I think the Soviet Union (all those communist states combined) would have loved to push our button over Gitmo.

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RE: 9/11 Mastermind Confesses - 3/16/2007 1:52:46 PM   
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The Cuba/America treaty was negotiated in somewhat dodgy circumstances, but it's stood for a long enough time to legitimize the USs jurisdiction over it.

And that Jurisdiction means the 14th Amendment is in force.

Ah, the times will be getting interesting. Right now, the Dems can call up Bush and demand pretty much anything, as long as they give him a pass.

You want Gonzales and Cheney? No Problem. Take Them.

You want Rove? No Problem. He's yours.

You want Rice and Powell? Take 'em.

Bush will toss anyone necessary out of the lifeboat. Interesting times...



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RE: 9/11 Mastermind Confesses - 3/16/2007 1:54:06 PM   
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What kind of proof would I require? Very good question.

First lets review the allegations made in just this thread and approach each one separately.

He got NORAD and the FAA to stand down - I personally think that he didn’t have to get anyone to stand down. The FAA and NORAD are both screwed up enough (my opinion) that he didn’t need to.
What do you base this opinion on...they seem to respond to other emergencies in a timely fashion

It is a ruse - Some kind of reference someplace saying it is a ruse. It should also come from some credible source. I personally don’t trust the media but I would even accept that.
What exactly do you trust?

Denied equal protection and due process - 14th Amendment debate is good. The reference is credible and we can just disagree as to its applicability.
You disagree that the U.S. conctitution applies to U.S. citizens?  Speaking here of the U.S. citizens who tried this man.

It is a production - If it were a production there would be credits for the electrician and sound man.
Now you are just acting like a fool.


He was a prisoner of war - I have read the Geneva Convention and terrorists fall outside those protections. I am not saying that it shouldn’t be updated, and I am not saying it is right, just international law. But then there are lots of things under international law that confuse me like why when a ship runs aground that the cargo is responsible for the damages.
Please give us the official definition of terrorist.  Oh wait the U.S. government has consistantly refused to define it.

Gitmo is an illegal occupation of Cuba - if that were true, I think the Soviet Union would have kicked us out a long time ago and the UN would have sanctions against us.
The Soviet Union could not even place missiles in Cuba so how could they have kicked us out...they have no dog in this fight.  Then of course the fact that they do not exist anymore. 
The U.S. has a permanant seat on the security council of the U.N. and could easily veto any sanctions.

9/11 was created by suits in a boardroom - Name them and show some way that the accomplished it using references.
I believe the owner of building 7 is on record as ordering the "blowing" of building 7.

What bothers me is that because someone says something on a thread it must be gospel.  The alligation carries more weight than truth and goes unsubstantiated by any form of credible reference.   Now if the alligation were stated as an opinion in some manner then I would have no problem with it at all.
You have a problem with any opinion that disagrees with your agenda.

That is why I carefully word my opinions.  So that someone can only challenge me and wht I think and I don't have to prove my opinion.
You do not carefully word anything...you are constantly getting your opinions stuffed back where they came from.
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RE: 9/11 Mastermind Confesses - 3/16/2007 4:43:44 PM   
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Thompson, then provide evidence of the owner of the building, "ordering the "blowing" of building 7".  If its on record you can certainly cite it, right?  Or is this just another false claim by you.

A terrorist is an irregular combatant, and as such is not covered by the geneva convention.  To get Geneva protections you must be a uniformed soldier operating in a defined chain of command, according to the Geneva Convention.

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RE: 9/11 Mastermind Confesses - 3/16/2007 4:58:42 PM   
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There is a video out.....Terrorstorm..........

Interesting.

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RE: 9/11 Mastermind Confesses - 3/16/2007 5:10:14 PM   
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Ok, lets here is own words about his "brutal treatment" and what he admits to:


REPRESENTATIVE: Sir, that concludes the written portion of the Detainee's final statement and as he has alluded to earlier he has some additional comments he would like to make.

PRESIDENT: Alright. Before you proceed, Khalid Sheikh Muhammad, the statement that was just read by the Personal Representative, were those your words?

BEGIN DETAINEE ORAL STATEMENT

DETAINEE: Yes. And I want to add some of this one just for some verification. It like some operations before I join al Qaida. Before I remember al Qaida which is related to Bojinka Operation I went to destination involve to us in 94, 95. Some Operations which means out of al Qaida. [REDACTED]. It's not related to al Qaida. It was shared in Pakistani. Other group, Mujahadeen. The story of Daniel Pearl, because he stated for the Pakistanis, group that he was working with the both. His mission was in Pakistan to track about Richard Reed trip to Israel. Richard Reed, do you have trip? You send it Israel to make set for targets in Israel. His mission in Pakistan from Israeli intelligence, Mosad, to make interview to ask about when he was there. Also, he mention to them he was both. He have relation with CIA people and were the Mosad. But he was not related to al Qaida at all or UBL. It is related to the Pakistan Mujahadeen group. Other operations mostly are some word I'm not accurate in saying. I'm responsible but if you read the heading history. The line there [Indicating to Personal Representative a place or Exhibit D-C.

PERSONAL REPRESENTATIVE: [Reading] "Also, hereby admit and affirm without duress that I was a responsible participant, principle planner, trainer, financier."

DETAINEE: For this is not necessary as I responsible, responsible. But with in these things responsible participant in finances.

PRESIDENT: I understand. I want to be clear, though, is you that were the author of that document.

DETAINEE: That's right.

PRESIDENT: That it is true?

DETAINEE: That's true.

PRESIDENT: Alright. You may continue with your statement.

DETAINEE: Okay. I start in Arabic.

PRESIDENT: Please.

DETAINEE: (through translator): In the name of God the most compassionate, the most merciful, and if any fail to retaliation by way of charity and. I apologize. I will start again. And if any fail to judge by the light of Allah has revealed, they are no better than wrong doers, unbelievers, and the unjust.

DETAINEE: For this verse, I not take the oath. Take an oath is a part of your Tribunal and I'll not accept it. To be or accept the Tribunal as to be, I'll accept it. That I'm accepting American constitution, American law or whatever you are doing here. This is why religiously I cannot accept anything you do. Just to explain for this one, does not mean I'm not saying that I'm lying. When I not take oath does not mean I'm lying. You know very well peoples take oath and they will lie. You know the President he did this before he just makes his oath and he lied. So sometimes when I'm not making oath does not mean I'm lying.

PRESIDENT: I understand.

DETAINEE: Second thing. When I wrote this thing, I mean, the PR he told me that President may stop you at anytime and he don't like big mouth nor you to talk too much. To be within subject. So, I will try to be within the enemy combatant subject

PRESIDENT: You can say whatever you'd like to say so long as it's relevant to what we are discussing here today.

DETAINEE: Okay, thanks.

DETAINEE: What I wrote here, is not I'm making myself hero, when I said I was responsible for this or that. But your are military man. You know very well there are language for any war. So, there are, we are when I admitting these things I'm not saying I'm not did it. I did it but this the language of any war. If America they want to invade Iraq they will not send for Saddam roses or kisses they send for a bombardment.

This is the best way if I want. If I'm fighting for anybody admit to them I'm American enemies. For sure, I'm American enemies. Usama bin Laden, he did his best press conference in American media. Mr. John Miller he been there when he made declaration against Jihad, against America. And he said it is not no need for me now to make explanation of what he said but mostly he said about American military presence in Arabian peninsula and aiding Israel and many things. So when we made any war against America we are jackals fighting in the nights.

I consider myself, for what you are doing, a religious thing as you consider us fundamentalist. So, we derive from religious leading that we consider we and George Washington doing same thing. As consider George Washington as hero. Muslims many of them are considering Usama bin Laden. He is doing same thing. He is just fighting. He needs his independence. Even we think that, or not me only.

Many Muslims, that al Qaida or Taliban they are doing. They have been oppressed by America. This is the feeling of the prophet. So when we say we are enemy combatant, that right. We are.

But I'm asking you again to be fair with many Detainees which are not enemy combatant. Because many of them have been unjustly arrested. Many, not one or two or three. Cause the definition you which wrote even from my view it is not fair.

Because if I was in the first Jihad times Russia. So I have to be Russian enemy. But America supported me in this because I'm their alliances when I was fighting Russia.

Same job I'm doing. I'm fighting. I was fighting there Russia now I'm fighting America. So, many people who been in Afghanistan never live. Afghanistan stay in but they not share Taliban or al Qaida. They been Russian time and they cannot go back to their home with their corrupted government. They stayed there and when America invaded Afghanistan parliament. They had been arrest. They never have been with Taliban or the others. So many people consider them as enemy but they are not.

Because definitions are very wide definition so people they came after October of 2002, 2001. When America invaded Afghanistan, they just arrive in Afghanistan cause the hear there enemy. They don't know what it means al Qaida or Usama bin Laden or Taliban. They don't care about these things. They heard they were enemy in Afghanistan they just arrived. As they heard first time Russian invade Afghanistan. They arrive they fought when back than they came. They don't know what's going on and Taliban they been head of government. You consider me even Taliban even the president of whole government.

Many people they join Taliban because they are the government. When Karzai they came they join Karzai when come they join whatever public they don't know what is going on. So, many Taliban fight even the be fighters because they just because public. The government is Taliban then until now CIA don't have exactly definition well who is Taliban, who is al Qaida. Your Tribunal now are discussing he is enemy or not and that is one of your jobs. So this is why you find many Afghanis people, Pakistanis people even, they don't know what going on they just hear they are fighting and they help Muslim in Afghanistan. Then what. There are some infidels which they came here and they have to help them.

But then there weren't any intend to do anything against America. Taliban themselves between Taliban they said Afghanistan which they never again against 9/11 operation. The rejection between senior of Taliban of what al Qaida are doing. Many of Taliban rejected what they are doing. Even many Taliban, they not agree about why we are in Afghanistan. Some of them they have been with us. Taliban never in their life at all before America invade them the intend to do anything against America. They never been with al Qaida.

Does not mean we are here as American now. They gave political asylum for many countries. They gave for Chinese oppositions or a North Korean but that does not mean they are with them same thing many of Taliban. They harbor us as al Qaida does not mean we are together.

So, this is why I'm asking you to be fair with Afghanis and Pakistanis and many Arabs which been in Afghanistan. Many of them been unjustly. The funny story they been Sunni government they sent some spies to assassinate UBL then we arrested them sent them to Afghanistan/Taliban. Taliban put them into prison. Americans they came and arrest them as enemy combatant. They brought them here. So, even if they are my enemy but not fair to be there with me. This is what I'm saying. The way of the war, you know, very well, any country waging war against their enemy the language of the war are killing. If man and woman they be together as a marriage that is up to the kids, children.

But if you and me, two nations, will be together in war the others are victims. This is the way of the language. You know 40 million people were killed in World War One. Ten million kill in World War. You know that two million four hundred thousand be killed in the Korean War. So this language of the war. Any people who, when Usama bin Laden say I'm waging war because such such reason, now he declared it.

But when you said I'm terrorist, I think it is deceiving peoples. Terrorists, enemy combatant. All these definitions as CIA you can make whatever you want.

Now, you told me when I ask about the witnesses, I'm not convinced that this related to the matter. It is up to you.

Maybe I'm convinced but your are head and he [gesturing to Personal Representative] is not responsible, the other, because your are head of the committee. So, finally it's your war but the problem is no definitions of many words. It would be widely definite that many people be oppressed. Because war, for sure, there will be victims. When I said I'm not happy that three thousand been killed in America. I feel sorry even. I don't like to kill children and the kids. Never Islam are, give me green light to kill peoples. Killing, as in the Christianity, Jews, and Islam, are prohibited.

But there are exception of rule when you are killing people in Iraq. You said we have to do it. We don't like Saddam. But this is the way to deal with Saddam. Same thing you are saying. Same language you use, I use. When you are invading two- thirds of Mexican, you call your war manifest destiny. It up to you to call it what you want. But other side are calling you oppressors.

If now George Washington. If now we were living in the Revolutionary War and George Washington he being arrested through Britain. For sure he, they would consider him enemy combatant. But American they consider him as hero. This right the any Revolutionary War they will be as George Washington or Britain. So we are considered American Army bases which we have from seventies in Iraq. Also, in the Saudi Arabian, Kuwait, Qatar, and Bahrain. This is kind of invasion, but I'm not here to convince you. Is not or not but mostly speech is ask you to be fair with people. I'm don't have anything to say that I'm not enemy.

This is why the language of any war in the world is killing. I mean the language of the war is victims. I don't like to kill people. I feel very sorry they been killed kids in 9/11. What I will do? This is the language. Sometime I want to make great awakening between American to stop foreign policy in our land. I know American people are torturing us from seventies. [REDACTED] I know they talking about human rights. And I know it is against American Constitution, against American laws. But they said every law, they have exceptions, this is your bad luck you been part of the exception of our laws. They got have something to convince me but we are doing same language. But we are saying we have Sharia law, but we have Koran. What is enemy combatant in my language?

DETAINEE: (through translator): Allah forbids you not with regards to those who fight you not for your faith nor drive you out of your homes from dealing kindly and justly with them. For Allah love those who are just.

There is one more sentence.

Allah only forbids you with regards to those who fight you for your faith and drive you out of your homes and support others in driving you out from turning to them for friendship and protection. It is such as turn to them in these circumstances that do wrong.

DETAINEE: So we are driving from whatever deed we do we ask about Koran or Hadith. We are not making up for us laws. When we need Fatwa from the religious we have to go back to see what they said scholar. To see what they said yes or not.

Killing is prohibited in all what you call the people of the book, Jews, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. You know the Ten Commandments very well. The Ten Commandments are shared between all of us. We all are serving one God. Then now kill you know it very well. But war language also we have language for the war. You have to kill. But you have to care if unintentionally or intentionally target if I have if I'm not at the Pentagon. I consider it is okay.

If I target now when we target in USA we choose them military target, economical, and political. So, war central victims mostly means economical target. So if now American they know UBL. He is in this house they don't care about his kids and his. They will just bombard it. They will kill all of them and they did it. They kill wife of Dr. Ayman Zawahiri and his two daughters and his son in one bombardment. They receive a report that is his house be. He had not been there. They killed them.

They arrested my kids intentionally. They are kids. They been arrested for four months they had been abused. So, for me I have patience. I know I'm not talk about what's come to me. The American have human right So, enemy combatant itself, it flexible word.

So I think God knows that many who been arrested, they been unjustly arrested. Otherwise, military throughout history know very well. They don't war will never stop. War start from Adam when Cain he killed Abel until now. It's never gonna stop killing of people. This is the way of the language. American start the Revolutionary War then they starts the Mexican then Spanish War then World War One, World War Two. You read the history. You know never stopping war. This is life. But if who is enemy combatant and who is not? Finally, I finish statement. I'm asking you to be fair with other people.

PRESIDENT: Does that conclude your statement, Khalid Sheikh Muhammad?

DETAINEE: Yes.

PRESIDENT: Alright.


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RE: 9/11 Mastermind Confesses - 3/16/2007 5:26:46 PM   
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It is now widely accepted that the US abducts innocent people, tortures prisoners (innocent or not) and denies prisoners legal rights that US citizens enjoy. The fact that this guy probably is guilty of the accusations made against him isn't going to alter that fact and isn't going to alter the suspicion that he has been tortured because American agents are going to be tried in absentia in Italy for abducting a muslim cleric and torturing him. Germany is also in the process of formulating charges against American agents. The fact that many European politicians are worried for turning a blind eye is irrelevent, the courts hopefully will catch up with them in due course, but the fact remains, this is what American agents are sanctioned to do and from very high up according to the rumours (which seem to have substance to them due to the fact some European politicians are shitting themselves over this affair.)

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