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RE: 9/11 Mastermind Confesses - 3/16/2007 5:27:16 PM   
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I find the timing of this story "interesting" in some ways, but typical in others.  Every time the current administration comes close to imploding it captures someone "important" or someone equally important goes out in a blaze of bullets or a transcript comes to light.  I've wondered if the only way Osama will be found, captured, killed (or whatever) will be the day Bush is impeached.  (and before anyone pounces, the only reason i can see to keep Bush around is that the alternative is Chaney -- ugh!! )





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RE: 9/11 Mastermind Confesses - 3/16/2007 6:09:42 PM   
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I find the timing of this story "interesting" in some ways, but typical in others.  Every time the current administration comes close to imploding it captures someone "important" or someone equally important goes out in a blaze of bullets or a transcript comes to light.  I've wondered if the only way Osama will be found, captured, killed (or whatever) will be the day Bush is impeached.  (and before anyone pounces, the only reason i can see to keep Bush around is that the alternative is Chaney -- ugh!! )


want OBL?  Get rid of the CIA!


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RE: 9/11 Mastermind Confesses - 3/16/2007 7:21:38 PM   
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Ok, lets here is own words about his "brutal treatment" and what he admits to:


REPRESENTATIVE: Sir, that concludes the written portion of the Detainee's final statement and as he has alluded to earlier he has some additional comments he would like to make.

PRESIDENT: Alright. Before you proceed, Khalid Sheikh Muhammad, the statement that was just read by the Personal Representative, were those your words?

BEGIN DETAINEE ORAL STATEMENT

DETAINEE: Yes. And I want to add some of this one just for some verification. It like some operations before I join al Qaida. Before I remember al Qaida which is related to Bojinka Operation I went to destination involve to us in 94, 95. Some Operations which means out of al Qaida. [REDACTED]. It's not related to al Qaida. It was shared in Pakistani. Other group, Mujahadeen. The story of Daniel Pearl, because he stated for the Pakistanis, group that he was working with the both. His mission was in Pakistan to track about Richard Reed trip to Israel. Richard Reed, do you have trip? You send it Israel to make set for targets in Israel. His mission in Pakistan from Israeli intelligence, Mosad, to make interview to ask about when he was there. Also, he mention to them he was both. He have relation with CIA people and were the Mosad. But he was not related to al Qaida at all or UBL. It is related to the Pakistan Mujahadeen group. Other operations mostly are some word I'm not accurate in saying. I'm responsible but if you read the heading history. The line there [Indicating to Personal Representative a place or Exhibit D-C.

PERSONAL REPRESENTATIVE: [Reading] "Also, hereby admit and affirm without duress that I was a responsible participant, principle planner, trainer, financier."

DETAINEE: For this is not necessary as I responsible, responsible. But with in these things responsible participant in finances.

PRESIDENT: I understand. I want to be clear, though, is you that were the author of that document.

DETAINEE: That's right.

PRESIDENT: That it is true?

DETAINEE: That's true.

PRESIDENT: Alright. You may continue with your statement.

DETAINEE: Okay. I start in Arabic.

PRESIDENT: Please.

DETAINEE: (through translator): In the name of God the most compassionate, the most merciful, and if any fail to retaliation by way of charity and. I apologize. I will start again. And if any fail to judge by the light of Allah has revealed, they are no better than wrong doers, unbelievers, and the unjust.

DETAINEE: For this verse, I not take the oath. Take an oath is a part of your Tribunal and I'll not accept it. To be or accept the Tribunal as to be, I'll accept it. That I'm accepting American constitution, American law or whatever you are doing here. This is why religiously I cannot accept anything you do. Just to explain for this one, does not mean I'm not saying that I'm lying. When I not take oath does not mean I'm lying. You know very well peoples take oath and they will lie. You know the President he did this before he just makes his oath and he lied. So sometimes when I'm not making oath does not mean I'm lying.

PRESIDENT: I understand.

DETAINEE: Second thing. When I wrote this thing, I mean, the PR he told me that President may stop you at anytime and he don't like big mouth nor you to talk too much. To be within subject. So, I will try to be within the enemy combatant subject

PRESIDENT: You can say whatever you'd like to say so long as it's relevant to what we are discussing here today.

DETAINEE: Okay, thanks.

DETAINEE: What I wrote here, is not I'm making myself hero, when I said I was responsible for this or that. But your are military man. You know very well there are language for any war. So, there are, we are when I admitting these things I'm not saying I'm not did it. I did it but this the language of any war. If America they want to invade Iraq they will not send for Saddam roses or kisses they send for a bombardment.

This is the best way if I want. If I'm fighting for anybody admit to them I'm American enemies. For sure, I'm American enemies. Usama bin Laden, he did his best press conference in American media. Mr. John Miller he been there when he made declaration against Jihad, against America. And he said it is not no need for me now to make explanation of what he said but mostly he said about American military presence in Arabian peninsula and aiding Israel and many things. So when we made any war against America we are jackals fighting in the nights.

I consider myself, for what you are doing, a religious thing as you consider us fundamentalist. So, we derive from religious leading that we consider we and George Washington doing same thing. As consider George Washington as hero. Muslims many of them are considering Usama bin Laden. He is doing same thing. He is just fighting. He needs his independence. Even we think that, or not me only.

Many Muslims, that al Qaida or Taliban they are doing. They have been oppressed by America. This is the feeling of the prophet. So when we say we are enemy combatant, that right. We are.

But I'm asking you again to be fair with many Detainees which are not enemy combatant. Because many of them have been unjustly arrested. Many, not one or two or three. Cause the definition you which wrote even from my view it is not fair.

Because if I was in the first Jihad times Russia. So I have to be Russian enemy. But America supported me in this because I'm their alliances when I was fighting Russia.

Same job I'm doing. I'm fighting. I was fighting there Russia now I'm fighting America. So, many people who been in Afghanistan never live. Afghanistan stay in but they not share Taliban or al Qaida. They been Russian time and they cannot go back to their home with their corrupted government. They stayed there and when America invaded Afghanistan parliament. They had been arrest. They never have been with Taliban or the others. So many people consider them as enemy but they are not.

Because definitions are very wide definition so people they came after October of 2002, 2001. When America invaded Afghanistan, they just arrive in Afghanistan cause the hear there enemy. They don't know what it means al Qaida or Usama bin Laden or Taliban. They don't care about these things. They heard they were enemy in Afghanistan they just arrived. As they heard first time Russian invade Afghanistan. They arrive they fought when back than they came. They don't know what's going on and Taliban they been head of government. You consider me even Taliban even the president of whole government.

Many people they join Taliban because they are the government. When Karzai they came they join Karzai when come they join whatever public they don't know what is going on. So, many Taliban fight even the be fighters because they just because public. The government is Taliban then until now CIA don't have exactly definition well who is Taliban, who is al Qaida. Your Tribunal now are discussing he is enemy or not and that is one of your jobs. So this is why you find many Afghanis people, Pakistanis people even, they don't know what going on they just hear they are fighting and they help Muslim in Afghanistan. Then what. There are some infidels which they came here and they have to help them.

But then there weren't any intend to do anything against America. Taliban themselves between Taliban they said Afghanistan which they never again against 9/11 operation. The rejection between senior of Taliban of what al Qaida are doing. Many of Taliban rejected what they are doing. Even many Taliban, they not agree about why we are in Afghanistan. Some of them they have been with us. Taliban never in their life at all before America invade them the intend to do anything against America. They never been with al Qaida.

Does not mean we are here as American now. They gave political asylum for many countries. They gave for Chinese oppositions or a North Korean but that does not mean they are with them same thing many of Taliban. They harbor us as al Qaida does not mean we are together.

So, this is why I'm asking you to be fair with Afghanis and Pakistanis and many Arabs which been in Afghanistan. Many of them been unjustly. The funny story they been Sunni government they sent some spies to assassinate UBL then we arrested them sent them to Afghanistan/Taliban. Taliban put them into prison. Americans they came and arrest them as enemy combatant. They brought them here. So, even if they are my enemy but not fair to be there with me. This is what I'm saying. The way of the war, you know, very well, any country waging war against their enemy the language of the war are killing. If man and woman they be together as a marriage that is up to the kids, children.

But if you and me, two nations, will be together in war the others are victims. This is the way of the language. You know 40 million people were killed in World War One. Ten million kill in World War. You know that two million four hundred thousand be killed in the Korean War. So this language of the war. Any people who, when Usama bin Laden say I'm waging war because such such reason, now he declared it.

But when you said I'm terrorist, I think it is deceiving peoples. Terrorists, enemy combatant. All these definitions as CIA you can make whatever you want.

Now, you told me when I ask about the witnesses, I'm not convinced that this related to the matter. It is up to you.

Maybe I'm convinced but your are head and he [gesturing to Personal Representative] is not responsible, the other, because your are head of the committee. So, finally it's your war but the problem is no definitions of many words. It would be widely definite that many people be oppressed. Because war, for sure, there will be victims. When I said I'm not happy that three thousand been killed in America. I feel sorry even. I don't like to kill children and the kids. Never Islam are, give me green light to kill peoples. Killing, as in the Christianity, Jews, and Islam, are prohibited.

But there are exception of rule when you are killing people in Iraq. You said we have to do it. We don't like Saddam. But this is the way to deal with Saddam. Same thing you are saying. Same language you use, I use. When you are invading two- thirds of Mexican, you call your war manifest destiny. It up to you to call it what you want. But other side are calling you oppressors.

If now George Washington. If now we were living in the Revolutionary War and George Washington he being arrested through Britain. For sure he, they would consider him enemy combatant. But American they consider him as hero. This right the any Revolutionary War they will be as George Washington or Britain. So we are considered American Army bases which we have from seventies in Iraq. Also, in the Saudi Arabian, Kuwait, Qatar, and Bahrain. This is kind of invasion, but I'm not here to convince you. Is not or not but mostly speech is ask you to be fair with people. I'm don't have anything to say that I'm not enemy.

This is why the language of any war in the world is killing. I mean the language of the war is victims. I don't like to kill people. I feel very sorry they been killed kids in 9/11. What I will do? This is the language. Sometime I want to make great awakening between American to stop foreign policy in our land. I know American people are torturing us from seventies. [REDACTED] I know they talking about human rights. And I know it is against American Constitution, against American laws. But they said every law, they have exceptions, this is your bad luck you been part of the exception of our laws. They got have something to convince me but we are doing same language. But we are saying we have Sharia law, but we have Koran. What is enemy combatant in my language?

DETAINEE: (through translator): Allah forbids you not with regards to those who fight you not for your faith nor drive you out of your homes from dealing kindly and justly with them. For Allah love those who are just.

There is one more sentence.

Allah only forbids you with regards to those who fight you for your faith and drive you out of your homes and support others in driving you out from turning to them for friendship and protection. It is such as turn to them in these circumstances that do wrong.

DETAINEE: So we are driving from whatever deed we do we ask about Koran or Hadith. We are not making up for us laws. When we need Fatwa from the religious we have to go back to see what they said scholar. To see what they said yes or not.

Killing is prohibited in all what you call the people of the book, Jews, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. You know the Ten Commandments very well. The Ten Commandments are shared between all of us. We all are serving one God. Then now kill you know it very well. But war language also we have language for the war. You have to kill. But you have to care if unintentionally or intentionally target if I have if I'm not at the Pentagon. I consider it is okay.

If I target now when we target in USA we choose them military target, economical, and political. So, war central victims mostly means economical target. So if now American they know UBL. He is in this house they don't care about his kids and his. They will just bombard it. They will kill all of them and they did it. They kill wife of Dr. Ayman Zawahiri and his two daughters and his son in one bombardment. They receive a report that is his house be. He had not been there. They killed them.

They arrested my kids intentionally. They are kids. They been arrested for four months they had been abused. So, for me I have patience. I know I'm not talk about what's come to me. The American have human right So, enemy combatant itself, it flexible word.

So I think God knows that many who been arrested, they been unjustly arrested. Otherwise, military throughout history know very well. They don't war will never stop. War start from Adam when Cain he killed Abel until now. It's never gonna stop killing of people. This is the way of the language. American start the Revolutionary War then they starts the Mexican then Spanish War then World War One, World War Two. You read the history. You know never stopping war. This is life. But if who is enemy combatant and who is not? Finally, I finish statement. I'm asking you to be fair with other people.

PRESIDENT: Does that conclude your statement, Khalid Sheikh Muhammad?

DETAINEE: Yes.

PRESIDENT: Alright.



what happened tothe original that you posted?

From what i can see he isnt confessing to shit other than to being at war with the us.    Like i said in another thread that i started that now resides in stoopidity that bush is islams hitler which pretty well sums up what he is saying.

There is nothing to do with 911 in there.  He talks about fighting after we invaded afghanastan and oppressed their people.  he futher seems to accuse obl but that part was a little unclear to me.

shit and here i was hoping we had the trigger man for jfk.


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RE: 9/11 Mastermind Confesses - 3/17/2007 1:29:30 AM   
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He got NORAD and the FAA to stand down - I personally think that he didn’t have to get anyone to stand down. The FAA and NORAD are both screwed up enough (my opinion) that he didn’t need to.



Exactly how did he get them to stand down?

Or are you a conspiracy theory wacko who thinks that NORAD scrambles fighters every time a civilian airplane is not where it should be?  Scrambling fighters against civilian airplanes is something which is not standard policy in the United States.

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He was a prisoner of war - I have read the Geneva Convention and terrorists fall outside those protections. I am not saying that it shouldn’t be updated, and I am not saying it is right, just international law. But then there are lots of things under international law that confuse me like why when a ship runs aground that the cargo is responsible for the damages.



Do we know he is a terrorist?

Did we know he was a terrorist when we took him in to custody?

Was he allowed to face his accusers?

Was he provided with counsel?

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Gitmo is an illegal occupation of Cuba - if that were true, I think the Soviet Union would have kicked us out a long time ago and the UN would have sanctions against us.



Well, in case you are not up on your history, the Soviet Union broke up a few years ago.

Additionally, the United States has veto power in the UN.  They could vote to sanction us, but we would say "fuck you" to them.  On a side note, they would ask us to provide the troops to sanction us.

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9/11 was created by suits in a boardroom - Name them and show some way that the accomplished it using references.



Works for me.  Please name them.

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RE: 9/11 Mastermind Confesses - 3/17/2007 3:46:35 AM   
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Innocent until proven guilty - that old cornerstone of human rights. As they are prepared to ignore these rights, then their legitimacy, and any resulting confession, regardless of whether or not it is extracted, are void.


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RE: 9/11 Mastermind Confesses - 3/19/2007 6:49:40 AM   
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Maybe they can get Al Qaida to sign on to the Geneva Convention.

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RE: 9/11 Mastermind Confesses - 10/3/2007 7:17:56 PM   
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Follow Up: The latest on Gitomo

SOP?
You tell me?

WHO IS THIS KHALID SHEIKH MOHAMMED? There are several indicators that the KSM confession is not credible. The first problem is that KSM was reported to have been killed in Pakistan in September 2002, shortly after his interview with Yosri Fouda of Al Jazeera. Syed Saleem Shahzad, a senior political correspondent with the Dawn Group of newspapers in Karachi, Pakistan, reported in October 2002 that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed had been killed in a raid carried out by the FBI and ISI in Karachi on September 11, 2002:

"Now it has emerged that Kuwaiti national Khalid Sheikh Mohammed did indeed perish in the raid, but his wife and child were taken from the apartment and handed over to the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), in whose hands they remain," Shahzad reported on 30 October 2002.



76 percent of the nearly 100,000 respondents to the poll said they did not believe that the disheveled detainee seen in the photos was truly the mastermind of 9/11 and 30 other terror attacks, including the Bali bombing and the first attack on the World Trade Center in 1993.



Yosri Fouda, a bureau chief for Al Jazeera, interviewed Khalid Sheikh Mohammed in Pakistan during the first week of September 2002.  Reports of the KSM interview were reported in the BBC on September 8, 2002.  Oddly, Fouda, who is the only journalist to have interviewed KSM, has said nothing about whether the person in the photo resembles the person he interviewed in 2002.



Fouda has, however, questioned whether Al Qaida even exists: "I do not really believe there is such a thing as al-Qaida, the organization; there is al-Qaida, the mind-set." The detainee, Fouda wrote in the Sunday Times on March 18, "might be taking credit so other people, still at large, can avoid the blame.  We can never know for sure." The bizarre confession, supposedly made by Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, has been played up in the U.S. media as proof that Al Qaida actually planned and carried out the terror attacks at the World Trade Center and the Pentagon in 2001.

Although the detainee's confession was read before a military tribunal in Guantanamo, Cuba, on March 10, it was held by the government and not released until late Wednesday, March 14.  The delayed release of the KSM confession effectively obscured a very important article about how the 9/11 families are being denied access to the government's evidence. The confession by a tortured detainee in a super-secret gulag prison in Cuba is one thing, but access to the government's evidence is quite another. USA Today, the CIA-linked newspaper, ran the headline "Prisoner confesses 9/11 was his work" on March 15, while a much smaller article entitled "Families denied 9/11 evidence" was found at the bottom of page 9.

The Chicago Tribune, on the other hand, ran the headline "9/11 architect confesses,"  but chose not to even report the decision by a federal appeals court to reverse the ruling that the government should turn over evidence from the trial of Zacarias Moussaoui to family members of those killed in the terrorist attacks.
http://www.iamthewitness.com/Bollyn-Absence-of-Justice.html

Such distorted media coverage of the 9/11 cases, in which the press focuses on the government's trials of the accused terrorists while ignoring the fate of the 6,600 lawsuits brought by the relatives of the victims, speaks volumes about the bias of the controlled press in the United States.




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RE: 9/11 Mastermind Confesses - 10/3/2007 11:57:51 PM   
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Millions of Republican sheep are having heart attacks right now after being told by Dick Cheney over and over that it was Saddam Hussein who pulled off 9/11....

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RE: 9/11 Mastermind Confesses - 10/4/2007 12:46:12 AM   
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So that WAS Ron Jeremy!!!!

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RE: 9/11 Mastermind Confesses - 10/4/2007 7:24:55 AM   
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Interesting.  I especially loved his rationale for not taking an oath to tell the truth.  Stated his religion forbids telling lies.  He stated that the American President took an oath to tell the truth, which he subsequently broke.



That's similar to the rationale put forth by other people whose religion forbids swearing oaths,or setting up special circumstances for telling the truth... say for example, some Christians. 

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RE: 9/11 Mastermind Confesses - 10/4/2007 7:47:58 AM   
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Yes, we should have skipped all the B.S. and done what his pals would have done to one of ours and just sawed his head off with a knife. 

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RE: 9/11 Mastermind Confesses - 10/4/2007 7:52:32 AM   
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Quote from July 13, 2004, foxnewscom:
"TEHRAN, Iran —  Iran's supreme leader on Tuesday accused U.S. and Israeli agents, not Muslims, of responsibility for the wave of beheadings and kidnappings in Iraq, the official Islamic Republic News Agency reported.
Ayatollah Ali Khamenei"

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RE: 9/11 Mastermind Confesses - 10/4/2007 8:40:57 AM   
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Millions of Republican sheep are having heart attacks right now after being told by Dick Cheney over and over that it was Saddam Hussein who pulled off 9/11....


Nah they just go into a deeper state of denial!


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RE: 9/11 Mastermind Confesses - 10/4/2007 12:54:27 PM   
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Quote from July 13, 2004, foxnewscom:
"TEHRAN, Iran —  Iran's supreme leader on Tuesday accused U.S. and Israeli agents, not Muslims, of responsibility for the wave of beheadings and kidnappings in Iraq, the official Islamic Republic News Agency reported.
Ayatollah Ali Khamenei"




I can`t believe anyone is stupid enough to fall for this...truly i cant.
An Anti American and Anti Israeli leader trying to score points, in which case he must be right huh.
After 9/11 he did condem the attackers, so he deserves credit for that. But this..... !

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RE: 9/11 Mastermind Confesses - 10/4/2007 2:59:06 PM   
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Hey Real   where is your proof that it is a ruse?

Haven't you figured it out yet, Real doesn't need any proof, he merely has to imagine it and it is so....

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RE: 9/11 Mastermind Confesses - 10/4/2007 3:56:57 PM   
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You Cheney? No Problem. Take Them.



Bush wont throw Cheney out of the bus.  Cheney immediately makes a plea for immunity to get his former boss up on criminal charges.

Bush cant resign because then Cheney throws him under the wheels as a war criminal.

Cheney cant resign because then Bush has him up on charges and refuses to accept his plea agreement.

They both cannot resign because then Pelosi has them both up on charges.

1/20/2009.  Chill your champagne now.

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RE: 9/11 Mastermind Confesses - 10/4/2007 4:11:51 PM   
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Yes, we should have skipped all the B.S. and done what his pals would have done to one of ours and just sawed his head off with a knife. 


.....and acting on that thought would make you exactly the same as them....a terrorist.

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RE: 9/11 Mastermind Confesses - 10/4/2007 7:12:07 PM   
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Hey Real   where is your proof that it is a ruse?

Haven't you figured it out yet, Real doesn't need any proof, he merely has to imagine it and it is so....

Ar

I have a really bad imagination but its a bit of a different world today.  

The 911 truthers have really been hammering out the data and putting it up on the net for people to review.

Below is a tiny snippet that i expect should suffice to better explain it to you that includes scans of the original top secret docs released through the foia which would lend credibility to the bollyn article.

Proof is inapplicable for investigations that are on the bleeding edge of history in the making and even more difficult when everything is "classifed" under national security.

If you want proof you may not be happy with my posts because much of what I investigate deals with probable cause and therefore can only provide evidence, so you may want to consider waiting to review it till it becomes a classic like northwoods etc.

Polite you may want to peek at this site because you can read the documents for yourself.  It is quite unbeleivable however!

Operation Northwoods

the Joint Chiefs of Staff drew up and approved plans for what may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government. In the name of antiCommunism, they proposed launching a secret and bloody war of terrorism against their own country in order to trick the American public into supporting an ill-conceived war they intended to launch against Cuba.

Operation Northwoods  images Click for full sized scans (14 Pages)

Code named Operation Northwoods, the plan, which had the written approval of the Chairman and every member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, called for innocent people to be shot on American streets; for boats carrying refugees fleeing Cuba to be sunk on the high seas; for a wave of violent terrorism to be launched in Washington, D.C., Miami, and elsewhere. People would be framed for bombings they did not commit; planes would be hijacked. Using phony evidence, all of it would be blamed on Castro, thus giving Lemnitzer and his cabal the excuse, as well as the public and international backing, they needed to launch their war.  The idea may actually have originated with
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/northwoods.html





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