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RE: Wellbeing - 3/16/2007 8:38:39 PM   
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You asked to give examples of relationships in which people do not get together to grow.  I gave you one.

Yes, we grow.  But we are not together to foster growth, nor is it a conscious goal of ours to promote growth in the other.

We simply are who we are together.  Life brings us growth on its own.

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RE: Wellbeing - 3/17/2007 9:48:05 AM   
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He taught me to love myself so that I could take care of myself on his behalf.

He taught me to analyze better, and to make better choices and decisions so that as I age in his absence (significant age difference between us), I will be fine.  He teaches me how to channel him in his absence when I am unsure of what to do, so that I know what he would instruct me and do it.  He wants to leave this earth knowing I will exist in the way he wants me to without him.

He developed my strength, so that I could face and handle the many stresses that I have had to contend with lately.

He is teaching me about boundaries, forgiveness, and how to balance the two.

And lately he is working with me on a project that, should it work out as planned, will ensure I have the peace and care he wants for me when he is no longer here.

He is an amazing man.  I've told those who have befriended me in the last couple of years that they would not have recognized or liked me three years ago.  He claims he has just brought out what was always there to begin with.  He saw what no one else did, and helped me to see it, too.  I would say he has done and continues to do incredible things for my wellbeing.

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RE: Wellbeing - 3/17/2007 11:17:48 AM   
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EmeraldSlave2, yes and I apologize.  I just dove somewhat more into the gray area of my mind and observations.  Thank you for your response.

ownedgirlie, thank you :)  ,  your perspective is always interesting to read and ponder. 

The responses have been enlightening, thank everyone again.  An enjoyable weekend to all.

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RE: Wellbeing - 3/17/2007 2:48:18 PM   
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What actions do you undertake to ensure that those under your guidance (your submissive/slave) have their wellbeing looked after.  What do you provide and/or type of direction do you give to ensure their wellbeing (their psyc and physical health).

I raise this question due to the glorious slection of male doms in the area in which I reside.  I have a hard time fathoming that they have any capacity to pay attention to my wellbeing when I look at them cause they don't even seem to look after themselves.  I know this goes both ways.  But I am curious what some of the practices in isolation are from any of the Dominant personalities on the board.

Thank you in advance.

The short answer to a very general question is this.  I assess the slave in question and consider first what basics need to be taken care of so that she can function effectively as my slave.  Second, I consider how she can grow, improve, learn, be trained, etc. to further improve her capabilities in serving me.  That's a very abstract simplification of a very personal process, but when reduced to its fundamental principle, there it is.  However...

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I am having a hard time making a logical connection with some dominants that have been contacting me, where their mode of thinking does not seem to reflect personal growth.  Sure sure I know block ignore delete lol.  That is not the point, the point comes to a head in my reflection of the D/s dynamic and its growth potential in whole (the mental, the physical and all the gray matter inbetween and surrounding it).  I am having a hard time making a link between me and ones in pursuit.  Oh my I do hope this is clearer *sigh*


You seem to be less interested in specific examples than you are in searching for guidelines to deeper issues.  More of an exploration of how to recognize responsibile behavior and also what is reasonable to expect. Taking the second point first...

You seem to be asking if it is reasonable to expect that a dominant will take a responsible approach towards the well being of a submissive (in the context of a long term, d/s lifestyle, relationship).  The answer is, they should... but there are probably many who will not.  I suspect that many who seek to be "dominants" are in fact looking for an "easy" relationship.  These are individuals who do not manage their life well, may have little or no control in other areas of their life, and as a result are seeking relationships where they can feel in control and secure without being challenged in any way.  This can sometimes be seen in various contrasts between what they expect of a submissive, vs. what they expect of themselves or how they live their life.  For example, the overweight "dom" with no control over their eating habits who expects the submissive to be thin and fit.  Or the "dom" who's financial situation is a wreck, yet they want 24/7 live in slaves who wait on them hand and foot.  I have for years stressed that if a "dom" is devoid of any ambition, lacks self control, lacks an ability to control even the basics of their own life, then I am immediately VERY suspicious of them.  That I have sometimes been denounced for saying it I think has more to do with the fact that there are indeed many "doms" out there who don't want to be held to any sort of personal standards for fear they'll come up very short indeed.

Which brings me to the first question you seem to be asking, what is reasonable to expect in regards to a dominants responsibility towards the well being of the submissive.  I've spoken before about my view that is is the responsibility of the dominant to meet the needs of the submissive and that those needs are more than just food, water and shelter.  There are emotional needs as well that are just as real and necessary.  Submissives need structure, boundaries, a basic sense of security (which fosters trust, which is also necessary), and so forth.  Some need affection while others do not and each individual's needs have to be assessed on a case by case basis.  What I would advise any submissive to observe very carefully is the general attitude of the dominant.  There is a vast difference in the behavior of a dominant who see's a submissive as an investment of their time and energy, as a servant and asset to be cultivated and developed, as a person who can grow and provide much more than just sex or housekeeping; vs the "dom" who sees a submissive as something to merely be used for their convenience, who seeks an "easy" relationship to prop up an otherwise failing ego, who seeks to find a small amount of control when it is otherwise lacking in their life.  The later case, in my experience, never ends well.  Eventually the submissive becomes an inconvenience to the "dom" who then verbally attacks her, blames her for all his problems, everything becomes her fault, because again he is trying to make himself feel better, prop up his ego, and create for himself a sense of control he otherwise lacks.  In the process he destroys her self esteem rather that increasing it in an attempt to reduce her to a point where she is unable and unwilling to expect anything of him, including that even her most basic needs be met.

And in my not the least bit humble and considered opinion, these "lazy doms" are not dominant at all.  I'm sure that will offend many as I am equally sure there are many who fit that description to be offended.  I cannot see how someone who is not exerting themself in other areas of their life can call themselves dominant simply because they like to have someone to push around.  I always called that kind of person a bully... and at times a coward.  Show me a dominant who is out there trying to better themself as a person, who seeks out personal challenges, who has at least some degree of ambition, who accepts responsibility rather than avoiding it, who tends to rely on themself rather than expecting others to do things for them, who expects more of themselves than they do a submissive, and I'll show you a dominant that I can respect even if I don't get along with them.  But that's just me, YMMV... and to those submissives who insist those "lazy doms" are still dominants... good luck with that.

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RE: Wellbeing - 3/17/2007 8:50:50 PM   
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Padriag thank you, and thank you for touching the deeper root of this questioning.  I felt I caught on with the gist of what others where stating; your reasoning is written very well and logical to me.  

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RE: Wellbeing - 3/18/2007 5:35:38 AM   
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Sir helps me take care of my wellbeing by pointing out areas he thinks I need to improve, reminding me to take medications and meet appointments, encouraging me to do that things that I need/want for satisfaction, and supporting me throughout my troubles. He is encouraging of me going to college and getting a degree, losing weight, and buying a new car. He helps remind me when I want to splurge about the things I need to save money for. He and I have been doing personal reading to try improve our relationship to be stronger and less filled with fighting, which helps my emotional well being.

With my collared boy and my last houseboy, I asked about their health and encouraged them to make and/or keep doctor's appointments. I advised my collared boy on how to care for things when they came up and he didn't know how. I also encouraged him to seek out certifications in his field, set writing and reading assignments so he could learn (although mostly within the BDSM realm), and spoke with him at length about issues he was unfamiliar with. I also encouraged him to write daily to learn the benefits of regular journalling. My houseboy was older, and while I talked to him and trained him, self improvement wasn't a goal in our relationship. Regardless, he learned a lot while he was with me.

~Ms. Elorin

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RE: Wellbeing - 3/18/2007 8:21:11 AM   
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Padriag, thank you for your words that explain what I've thought but haven't been able to put into words.

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RE: Wellbeing - 3/18/2007 8:06:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: unsung

Everyone thank you very much for a reflection into your personal lives to provide some insight to the question posed.  It all has cummulated to a need for me to refine my profile, and also provided verification that my expections of another are not unreasonable.  The only thing I don't agree with is the comment made that not everyone is into 'personal growth'.  Why would someone be looking for another if part of the reason for seeking a partner did not include personal growth.  Surely we invite others into our lives to accent our existence otherwise what is the point Celeste?

Again I thank everyone for sharing alittle bit about your interactions.

take care.


Do you think an 80 year old longs for personal growth? We're in our 50's and by now we are who we are. We may learn and grow from new experiences but we aren't going to change in any drastic way. We know ourselves already. We aren't out seeking new challenges on a daily basis. Instead like most couples we work on raising our children, taking care of the house and cars, etc.

I don't do yoga for meditation, I do it for the physical exercise only. I've learned by now what works or doesn't when I need to calm down or assess problems.

Basically we are grown already.

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RE: Wellbeing - 3/18/2007 8:38:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Celeste43

Do you think an 80 year old longs for personal growth?


My parents are 76 years old and still learning and growing. Maybe they'll stop in the next 4 years, but I doubt it. I'm in my 50s and learning new things all of the time. The things I did before no longer work the way they used to so I'm finding new ways of thinking, doing, being myself.

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RE: Wellbeing - 3/19/2007 5:48:15 AM   
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The term personal growth may be what's bothering me. It is a term that is very New Age. It brings to mind Marianne Williamson and other such types. I grow and learn from life but I'm not going to seminars on personal growth. I don't go into every thing I do with the mindset that this will expand me. I live my life, and like Emerald Slave, we grow as a result of things that happen. But I enjoy things for what they are, I don't demand that a potential experience will be a growth one. Some things are just fun.

And taking time to stop and enjoy the roses is equally important. The problem I've had with people who are into personal growth is that they don't enjoy the journey, they're always looking off to the end. And that's not me.

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