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slavequery -> on the topic of consenting to non-consent (3/16/2007 5:36:30 AM)
i am well known on these boards. So as to maintain my anonymity, i chose to open this account. this is a very serious topic, and the query is very real for me. As background info to help with any future comments, i offer the following: Master and i met here on the CM forum. He and i struck up a conversation that lasted almost that first entire day. We both got a few ZZZs and came back on line and talked with each other again for hours. After a week of conversing like this, we moved to the phone system as a way of communicating. After a couple months of both online and phone discussions, we met face to face. That was well over a year ago. He moved me to Him. He officially collared me. i could not be any happier. He has now chosen to take wedding vows. ok, im cool with that. He put a tattoo and a brand on me. They are beautiful. Here comes the query. He wants to move into total control over me. i have no problem with this as it was something i have always wanted. He and i discussed long long ago His desires to do this and i consented willingly to this. .......to give him control over my mind soul body spirit. i have always longed for this, so i have no trouble with this. He has always been very open with me prior to embarking on any change He makes with me. i love this about Him. Last night, He informed me He will be starting a form of brainwashing where any contact i will have with the outside world will be solely at His discretion. ok. That He is having papers drawn up with a lawyer that gives Him power of attorney over me. ok, still no problem here. He is also having papers drawn up giving all control over my physical being for the length of my natural life. ok, still no problem here. He explained to me, that in Canada, under the mental health laws, once these papers have been entered into court of law, they are final. In essence, should i ever "run" from Him for any reason, He simply has to pick up the phone and have me returned to Him. Believe it or not, i still have no problem with this. But my query is; it there any of you out in CM land who is aware of just what Master is planning on doing? i have tried googling and can not seem to find much info. i just want to be well informed about what is about to happen to me. my time on the computer will be cut off in a few days....remember, Master will gain control over every aspect of outside contact i will have. So please hurry with your responses and info. For those of you who wish to flame me or my Master, remember please that this is something i want, and am walking into willingly. Soon very soon over the next few months i will enter into complete servitude.

MadRabbit -> RE: on the topic of consenting to non-consent (3/16/2007 5:56:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slavequery Believe it or not, i still have no problem with this. But my query is; it there any of you out in CM land who is aware of just what Master is planning on doing? i have tried googling and can not seem to find much info. i just want to be well informed about what is about to happen to me. I could have swallowed this pill up until right here. If you are giving this much control and legal authority to one person, but have absolutely no idea what his intent or plans are...that comes off as a little more than just "fucked up" to me. Typically, responsible adults become informed BEFORE making the decisions, not atter. Rather than ask us for hypotheticals about what he is planning, I would seriously suggest having a long adult talk with him before going threw with any of this.

redsky -> RE: on the topic of consenting to non-consent (3/16/2007 5:57:13 AM)
wow...i read this & am totally in awe of you. i am kinda new to all this so im sorry i cant really give you advice but i hope you will be happy! take care & good luck.

MadRabbit -> RE: on the topic of consenting to non-consent (3/16/2007 5:59:46 AM)
Don't get too starstruck because there is a lot of red flags in this post which I am sure the more experienced then me will point out in the near future.

slavequery -> RE: on the topic of consenting to non-consent (3/16/2007 6:02:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MadRabbit quote: ORIGINAL: slavequery Believe it or not, i still have no problem with this. But my query is; it there any of you out in CM land who is aware of just what Master is planning on doing? i have tried googling and can not seem to find much info. i just want to be well informed about what is about to happen to me. I could have swallowed this pill up until right here. If you are giving this much control and legal authority to one person, but have absolutely no idea what his intent or plans are...that comes off as a little more than just "fucked up" to me. Typically, responsible adults become informed BEFORE making the decisions, not atter. Rather than ask us for hypotheticals about what he is planning, I would seriously suggest having a long adult talk with him before going threw with any of this. my dear Sir. He and i have had a rather lengthy discussion. Both of us have not slept yet, He went to work. Essentially, what He is doing is in short form a type of mental hold on me. What i want from any of you is what the laws of Canada are. He and i will be setting down with His lawyer in a few days and all will be revealed. i am eager to learn prior to that meeting. i thank You for not flaming either of us.

slavequery -> RE: on the topic of consenting to non-consent (3/16/2007 6:05:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MadRabbit Don't get too starstruck because there is a lot of red flags in this post which I am sure the more experienced then me will point out in the near future. i guess my thankyoufornotflamingeitherofus was to early in the offering

MadRabbit -> RE: on the topic of consenting to non-consent (3/16/2007 6:05:43 AM)
Aww...well see thats different. They way you wrote it kind of portrayed things in a very different light. Well...given that...nothing I can really say. This situation goes far beyond my knowledge or experience. I wish you the best of luck. P.S. It wasnt a flame. It was just merely stating an opinion. A flame would have been "There is so many red flags in this post that these two people are idiots." I simply said "There is a lot of red flags in this post" which there were out of ignorance and lack of information. If you expect to make a post like this and not to have to do some serious explaining and detailing, then I would find that to be silly.

Vendaval -> RE: on the topic of consenting to non-consent (3/16/2007 6:05:46 AM)
The legal aspects are of prime importance. You need to know the facts and talk to a lawyer before signing any paperwork. I am not familiar with Canandian laws but in the US unless you were under the age of 18, legally a minor, or had a court appointed guardian because you were declared mentally incompetent, the scenario you are presenting would not be possible. The point I am making here is that you cannot be making an informed, consensual decision if you do not have the facts presented and discussed with a neutral third party. quote: ORIGINAL: slavequery Last night, He informed me He will be starting a form of brainwashing where any contact i will have with the outside world will be solely at His discretion. ok. That He is having papers drawn up with a lawyer that gives Him power of attorney over me. ok, still no problem here. He is also having papers drawn up giving all control over my physical being for the length of my natural life. ok, still no problem here. He explained to me, that in Canada, under the mental health laws, once these papers have been entered into court of law, they are final. In essence, should i ever "run" from Him for any reason, He simply has to pick up the phone and have me returned to Him.

irinaa -> RE: on the topic of consenting to non-consent (3/16/2007 6:06:29 AM)
removed because i did not read all the posts preceding mine.

BBBTBW -> RE: on the topic of consenting to non-consent (3/16/2007 6:07:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slavequery Believe it or not, i still have no problem with this. But my query is; it there any of you out in CM land who is aware of just what Master is planning on doing? i have tried googling and can not seem to find much info. i just want to be well informed about what is about to happen to me. For those of you who wish to flame me or my Master, remember please that this is something i want, and am walking into willingly. Soon very soon over the next few months i will enter into complete servitude. I am not flaming you, but you contradicted yourself. You say you don't know what he is planning on doing but it is something you want. How do you know it is something you want if you don't know what the plan is? Ask yourself this question. Sit down with him in NEUTRAL time and ask all the questions that come to your heart and head. You are in essence walking down the plank blind and you know not what waits for you on the other side. Honestly we cannot tell you what he is planning for they are his plans. Handle your business before it gets handled incorrectly by someone else.

pineapplesub -> RE: on the topic of consenting to non-consent (3/16/2007 6:09:05 AM)
Hmmm. I am from the US, so I don't know much about Canadian laws. I've never heard of papers similar to those you are discussing, except for in cases where the person is mentally unable to run their own life. I think you should ask him about the papers he wants to draw up, as well as what should happen if you decide you are miserable with him. I'm not saying it will happen, but plan B's are always nice. You say that you will only have contact with people at his discretion... That's the bit that makes me a little hesitant. Is he going to be stingy with allowing you outside contact? Because building a life entirely around one person is pretty iffy, and I would have to say I don't know anyone where it would be healthy. Interesting topic, though.

sleazybutterfly -> RE: on the topic of consenting to non-consent (3/16/2007 6:11:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MadRabbit Don't get too starstruck because there is a lot of red flags in this post which I am sure the more experienced then me will point out in the near future. I would have to agree here. So many that are new and haven't been involved in real life, or haven't had much experience will see this post and think this is the way it has to be, or that she is much more of a devoted slave than them because of her doing this. That is a concern of mine. What she is doing, is fine, there isn't anything wrong with it, if you are totally informed and have thought things out with the one you are with. If you haven't (and sometimes if you have) it can be a very dangerous thing and you could be playing with fire. If this is what you want, that is great, I am happy for you. I just don't want someone new to this to get this fairytale thing in their head about it and go and do something they will regret. Real life slavery is not like a book, and should (more-so doing what she is) never be done until one is fully ready and prepared. There are a lot of slaves (and subs before someone comes along and smacks me) that are every bit as devoted to their Master, yet haven't done anything of this magnitude. All I am saying is, don't put rose colored glasses on and allow your romantic feelings of being totally owned by someone (legally as much as possible) to cloud your judgement as someone who has their whole life ahead of them and may someday not want that person to have all of that life in their hands.

slavequery -> RE: on the topic of consenting to non-consent (3/16/2007 6:11:31 AM)
yes, He did say there will be a couple doctors and a couple lawyers involved in the process. That the process will take months if not years to complete. quote: ORIGINAL: Vendaval The legal aspects are of prime importance. You need to know the facts and talk to a lawyer before signing any paperwork. I am not familiar with Canandian laws but in the US unless you were under the age of 18, legally a minor, or had a court appointed guardian because you were declared mentally incompetent, the scenario you are presenting would not be possible. The point I am making here is that you cannot be making an informed, consensual decision if you do not have the facts presented and discussed with a neutral third party. quote: ORIGINAL: slavequery Last night, He informed me He will be starting a form of brainwashing where any contact i will have with the outside world will be solely at His discretion. ok. That He is having papers drawn up with a lawyer that gives Him power of attorney over me. ok, still no problem here. He is also having papers drawn up giving all control over my physical being for the length of my natural life. ok, still no problem here. He explained to me, that in Canada, under the mental health laws, once these papers have been entered into court of law, they are final. In essence, should i ever "run" from Him for any reason, He simply has to pick up the phone and have me returned to Him.

GrizzlyBear -> RE: on the topic of consenting to non-consent (3/16/2007 6:14:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slavequery ... He is also having papers drawn up giving all control over my physical being for the length of my natural life. ok, still no problem here. He explained to me, that in Canada, under the mental health laws, once these papers have been entered into court of law, they are final. In essence, should i ever "run" from Him for any reason, He simply has to pick up the phone and have me returned to Him.... I know little of Canadian laws, but I don't think this would fly in the USA. Unless you are declared mentally incompetent by a court and he is given guardianship, I don't see a way for him to have that kind of power over you. Does he have the kind of connections to get this sort of thing done without the proper hearings? Do you already have a history of mental illness? I suppose the right bribes dropped in the hands of crooked judges and psychiatrists could make it happen. It's definitely not how it should work. Even if he can get you declared incompetent, guardianship could be very easily taken away if any evidence of abuse were presented to the police. He can't buy all the judges in the country. It sounds like a nice fantasy, but I think he is probably just starting your brainwashing a bit ahead of schedule. Convincing you he has that kind of power over you, is very nearly as good for his purposes as actually having it. Especially if he can exert complete physical control over you, without being questioned by anyone. Locking you in a secret room in the basement works pretty well, if you can never get loose. We have seen plenty of stories in the news of this recently. And it works even better if you add the brainwashing on top of it, plus the fact that you agreed to this in the beginning. You aren't likely to attempt an escape, if you either don't want to, or if you think he could get the police to give you back to him.

Vendaval -> RE: on the topic of consenting to non-consent (3/16/2007 6:16:28 AM)
Who is choosing and paying for the services of the lawyers and doctors? You need your own legal and medical advice regarding these matters to prevent a conflict of interest and to avoid a messy situation that is not what you though you had negotiated. "Let the buyer beware!" quote: ORIGINAL: slavequery yes, He did say there will be a couple doctors and a couple lawyers involved in the process. That the process will take months if not years to complete.

slavequery -> RE: on the topic of consenting to non-consent (3/16/2007 6:17:08 AM)
i did not contradict myself....what i did say is i wish to learn more about what was told to me. no contradiction, only a pleading to learn more about what i stated. quote: ORIGINAL: BBBTBW quote: ORIGINAL: slavequery Believe it or not, i still have no problem with this. But my query is; it there any of you out in CM land who is aware of just what Master is planning on doing? i have tried googling and can not seem to find much info. i just want to be well informed about what is about to happen to me. For those of you who wish to flame me or my Master, remember please that this is something i want, and am walking into willingly. Soon very soon over the next few months i will enter into complete servitude. I am not flaming you, but you contradicted yourself. You say you don't know what he is planning on doing but it is something you want. How do you know it is something you want if you don't know what the plan is? Ask yourself this question. Sit down with him in NEUTRAL time and ask all the questions that come to your heart and head. You are in essence walking down the plank blind and you know not what waits for you on the other side. Honestly we cannot tell you what he is planning for they are his plans. Handle your business before it gets handled incorrectly by someone else.

slavequery -> RE: on the topic of consenting to non-consent (3/16/2007 6:19:56 AM)
good point. i shall bring this very topic up with Master tonight. thank You This is what i want. Constructive information, not flaming which has no usefulness to me what so ever. Again, thank You. quote: ORIGINAL: Vendaval Who is choosing and paying for the services of the lawyers and doctors? You need your own legal and medical advice regarding these matters to prevent a conflict of interest and to avoid a messy situation that is not what you though you had negotiated. "Let the buyer beware!" quote: ORIGINAL: slavequery yes, He did say there will be a couple doctors and a couple lawyers involved in the process. That the process will take months if not years to complete.

MsCfromMelbourne -> RE: on the topic of consenting to non-consent (3/16/2007 6:23:27 AM)
It sounds like a rather yummy mind game to me....but just a game. A lovely fantasy all the same. Lots of doctors and lawyers and years to come true?? Play along and enjoy. Do not sign over any cash or property (if you have any) accumulated prior to your marriage to your new Master. Ask for them to be held on trust for you (by a lawyer acting for you) until such time as you are released from your "slavery" or you or your master die. Canadian law will govern your entitlement to the assets accumulated by you and your master as a couple after the marriage. You should be entitled to about half and more if master blesses you with children Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer in Canada and you should seek independent legal advice

bayboundse -> RE: on the topic of consenting to non-consent (3/16/2007 6:26:11 AM)
I think it is great if you go into this with your eyes open and totally aware of what your Master plans. It does not look as if you do as you ask what he plans here in the forum. Are you looking at this with open eyes? or is it something you want so bad it has blinded you a bit? Those are something only you can know inside. In any case we wish you the best of luck and hope things work out in the best way for you.

BBBTBW -> RE: on the topic of consenting to non-consent (3/16/2007 6:28:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slavequery i did not contradict myself....what i did say is i wish to learn more about what was told to me. no contradiction, only a pleading to learn more about what i stated. quote: ORIGINAL: BBBTBW quote: ORIGINAL: slavequery Believe it or not, i still have no problem with this. But my query is; it there any of you out in CM land who is aware of just what Master is planning on doing? i have tried googling and can not seem to find much info. i just want to be well informed about what is about to happen to me. For those of you who wish to flame me or my Master, remember please that this is something i want, and am walking into willingly. Soon very soon over the next few months i will enter into complete servitude. I am not flaming you, but you contradicted yourself. You say you don't know what he is planning on doing but it is something you want. How do you know it is something you want if you don't know what the plan is? Ask yourself this question. Sit down with him in NEUTRAL time and ask all the questions that come to your heart and head. You are in essence walking down the plank blind and you know not what waits for you on the other side. Honestly we cannot tell you what he is planning for they are his plans. Handle your business before it gets handled incorrectly by someone else. Based upon the information I had at the time, I felt you contradicted yourself. In the time that you posted the additional information, I was already writing my first post. You can't blame me for commenting on information that was not given in totality.

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