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brightspot -> RE: on the topic of consenting to non-consent (3/17/2007 11:05:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: domiguy

I still like the idea that you will be whisked off to some island where horrific experiments will be performed stripping you of what little common sense and humantiy that might remain.


Maybe he plans to retain services of doctors on the island to perform shock treatments until you totally forget everything[:D]. He could then mold you from the bottom up and twruly own and do anything he want's with you.
 
But I think when someone who is appointed legal guardian of another adult he certainly could have social service agencies up his ass to make sure he does not abuse the situation.
And if he is found guilty of misusing his appointed guardianship in forms that many would deem abusive, he could very well end up sitting on his ass in jail for a time.
 
I would serious think about this and do all the brainstorming and self-education I could before voluntarily entering into such an arrangement.
 
Missy.
 
P.S. Very intelligent people get screwed over and messed with all the time![;)]
 
Missy.



BeingChewsie -> RE: on the topic of consenting to non-consent (3/17/2007 11:48:24 AM)

Hi CD,

I wasn't adressing the legalities or abuse. I engage in illegal acts all the time with my owner, so I sure as hell won't be casting stones at people who break the law in their activities/life. I was agreeing that the owner was giving up some of his independence in gaining legal guardianship, there are far easier( in which the owner doesn't give up freedom or independence) ways to make someone unable or unwilling to leave you that don't involve the government overseeing. I wasn't addressing kyra's post at all, just KOM's assertion that the owner was giving up some of his independence by gaining guardianship( which what I took him to mean).

I still believe the reality of the law being brought down on her or him for fraud( which I believe is what you said, if they find out she faked it).That had nothing to do with abuse in fact read the part of your post I quoted, you said

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"Tell me...if she lies well enough to accomplish this but then gets found out some day...how many laws do you suppose the courts will bring to bear on her, her master, and quite possibly the doctors and lawyers who were deceived or who...if not deceived...circumvented the laws governing legal guardianship?


Nothing there bout the law getting involved over abuse(which doesn't change anything anway) but simply because she faked being incompetent so he could gain guardianship, if they don't take any money/services for free from the goverment I think the odds of them being prosecuted for that is close enough to nil to be negligible.

If the confusion was because you thought my absolutely was an agreement with kyra, it wasn't addresing her post at all, it was simply aggreeing with KOM that some level of independence would be given up by the owner to do this.

If it was something else you will have to clarify more, sorry.



BeingChewsie -> RE: on the topic of consenting to non-consent (3/17/2007 11:56:57 AM)

 
I wasn't adressing kyra's post at all(Though she is beautiful!). I was addessing and agreeing with your point that the owner was going to be giving up some of his freedom and independence in order to do this. There are far easier ways. I was not addressing the legalities or potential abuse issues at all.


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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

I'm somewhat confused here...first, you don't think that I have a valid point in regards to the law being brought to bear on this couple by the Canadian government if they are found to have perpetrated fraud.  You cannot see the government being involved... unless they applied for some sort of financial-aid services ... because "it isn't that big of a deal" and yet, when kyra mentions abuse...and the illegality of what slavequery and her master might be doing...you agree?




It's cause kyra is prettier than you.




CreativeDominant -> RE: on the topic of consenting to non-consent (3/17/2007 2:26:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

I'm somewhat confused here...first, you don't think that I have a valid point in regards to the law being brought to bear on this couple by the Canadian government if they are found to have perpetrated fraud.  You cannot see the government being involved... unless they applied for some sort of financial-aid services ... because "it isn't that big of a deal" and yet, when kyra mentions abuse...and the illegality of what slavequery and her master might be doing...you agree?




It's cause kyra is prettier than you.



Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh...well...I can't argue with you there...she is prettier than me. 

But....I AM more handsome than she.[;)]



KnightofMists -> RE: on the topic of consenting to non-consent (3/17/2007 2:29:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh...well...I can't argue with you there...she is prettier than me. 

But....I AM more handsome than she.[;)]


well.. we shall see... I plan to Boy her up when I am down at Tribal Fire ... soooooo

mmmm you could do drag and see if you can be prettier.



CreativeDominant -> RE: on the topic of consenting to non-consent (3/17/2007 2:34:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh...well...I can't argue with you there...she is prettier than me. 

But....I AM more handsome than she.[;)]


well.. we shall see... I plan to Boy her up when I am down at Tribal Fire ... soooooo

mmmm you could do drag and see if you can be prettier.


Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....thanks but I don' theeeng so...........[:'(]



Lucius -> RE: on the topic of consenting to non-consent (3/17/2007 11:12:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BeingChewsie

Hi CD,

I wasn't adressing the legalities or abuse. I engage in illegal acts all the time with my owner, so I sure as hell won't be casting stones at people who break the law in their activities/life. I was agreeing that the owner was giving up some of his independence in gaining legal guardianship, there are far easier( in which the owner doesn't give up freedom or independence) ways to make someone unable or unwilling to leave you that don't involve the government overseeing.


Care to share?

Lucius Alexander

House of the Palindromedary



slavequery -> RE: on the topic of consenting to non-consent (3/18/2007 5:55:55 AM)

ok..
i will try to open some thoughts in this matter. here goes.

In the meeting with my lawyer and His, what was discussed was the legalities of what He wished to do.
i asked for Him to verbally clarify WHY He felt the need to do it, as apposed to something else that might gain Him the same controls. He said He wanted me legally dependent on Him. He explained it was to make me monetary dependent on Him. As i have amassed quite a portfolio over the past few years, He wants me to learn what it is to be poor and dependent on someone else for even the simplest of comforts.

We all discussed what legal papers will be needed to continue to ensure my holdings  both present and future will be entrusted solely to my children. He was happy i brought this up and had a happy resolution to it.

my lawyer suggested was to have all the trusts taken out of my control and placed solely into the hands of my children with a 3rd party lawyer to "watch over the holdings" till they are 30. The holdings will be divided up evenly between them. Master suggested He pay for this third party so the children would not loose out on anything. my lawyer suggested funds be cycled into my account and then the third can be paid through me. He agreed to this.

She suggested that i hand over all my degrees licenses and certs to Him so He may control my ability to work without destroying my future credibility in any possible future fortune 500 position i may hold should our relationship end through divorce or death.

Master is making an account in holding where He will be depositing amounts monthly. He said this will be my nest egg.

He said He has not completely ruled out having the mental papers enacted. He did say, however, that we gave Him a workable alternative He will need to ponder over.

He gave me a few weeks grace period during this, His time to ponder. i will post when i know any changes.

my many thanks to all who offered constructive criticisms both negative and positive. You were very helpful. i needed an anonymous sounding board, and you didnt let me down.

to the rest. nothing.

i am tired and need much rest



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