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ORIGINAL: luckydog1

Each of us faces a 50% chance of wealth also.
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Tom Hirschl, a professor in the Department of Sociology, did a statistical analysis in 2001 of people 25 to 75 years old and found there was an equal chance that anyone could experience a year in poverty or a year of affluence over the course of their lives."
 

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"America is a dream and a nightmare at the same time," Hirschl said.

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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

The professor made this statement, without using numbers:

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"America is a dream and a nightmare at the same time," Hirschl said.

Discuss....

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

shall I go for the websters dictionary or the jameson-------hmmmmmmmm

apparently it is 100% irish whiskey. 

you know what is really astounding?
I saw a car with a license plate of CEH 347 today.
what are the fuckin chances of that I ask you?

I am just mystified, just mystified

Ron

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ORIGINAL: luckydog1

Thompson says,"There is noting in the article that even alludes to that conclusion.  "  Which is of course a lie.  The article explictily states this conclusion.  Its the second sentance.  It is the finding of the researcher.
Actually the second sentence is by Jenny Daley, the author of the article.  Only the parts of the article in quotation marks are the words of the author of the study Mr. Hirschl.

What does the next to last paragraph have to do with anything. 
The next to the last paragraph has his exact words and he points out several sailent factors about his conclusions.
The paragraph above that has a rather telling opinion by Jenny Daley about factors that were outside the purview of the study.

If you read the article it says that people can experience both Poverty and Affluence for at least one year of their life, and they have an equal likelyhood of both.
The study was a statistical analysis of 4800 people.  Your statement (which is the one I was disagreeing with) was that each of us has a 50% chance of wealth.  Your statement is inclusive of all people in the U.S, His research was inclusive of only those in his study.

Now apperantly you can't find anything to discredit the study, so you make a silly attack based on a direct lie. 
Must you persist in personal attacks.  Do you not feel any compunction to discuss.  I have not attempted to discredit the research.  What I have done is point out what he said as opposed to what your interpretation seems to be.

Are you off your Meds again?
Nope...my meds are delivered to me by a uniformed emisary of the U.S, government.  I am willing to share if it would help to get your underwear out of the bunch that they seem to be in.
thompson

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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave

Generally I post from a hard line right wing view but on this one I support the "softees"
The point surely is not a split between poverty or not poverty, truly a 2:1 triviality, but that 50% of the US population faces those alternatives in any given year NO? 

It is shocking, but inevitable in a devil take the hindmost economy.

Thompson:
I think we are begining to have a bit of a "love in" but with regard to licence plate CEH347 the correct odds are TC:1 where TC= the total number of cars on the road, since that plate is unique. lol
I have consumed my usual evening libation so I could be wrong.

I have heard the definition that a Liberal is a Conservative who hasn't been mugged yet, I am beginning to wonder if I might be a Liberal who cant control his selfishness !!

Bushmills. 

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
shall I go for the websters dictionary or the jameson-------hmmmmmmmm
apparently it is 100% irish whiskey. 

Ron

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seeksfemslave
I have heard the definition that a Liberal is a Conservative who hasn't been mugged yet, I am beginning to wonder if I might be a Liberal who cant control his selfishness !!

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ORIGINAL: luckydog1

thompson, ok statistical cluster sampling is not valid in your opinion.
I only pointed out it was a sample of a limited number of people.

If you disagree with the study attack it, not me. 
I  only disagreed with your interpretation of the study.

I just quoted the results.
No you did not...you stated your opinion of your faulty interpretation of the results.
Perhaps you should try learning how to read.  For a man who claims to be 37 you seem to have rather limited comprehension skills.
thompson

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ORIGINAL: Vendaval

Quoting the next to the last paragraph -
 
" Understanding that even for those outside these sub-groups it is still true that "the majority of Americans will encounter economic vulnerability at some point during their lives can facilitate a fundamental shift in terms of how poverty is perceived and acted upon at the policy level," wrote Hirschl. "Such a conceptual change begins with the realization that poverty can no longer be viewed as an issue that merely pertains to others, but rather as one that belongs to us all." "