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FirmhandKY -> RE: Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency? (3/18/2007 3:35:16 AM)
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ORIGINAL: dcnovice
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I think there are some valid questions about how they have both framed things. What they have claimed as facts, and how they have acted.
Fair enough. What have they claimed as facts that you disagree with?
dc,
If we get to that point, I'll be more than happy to expound, although I wish to finish my discussion with puella first, and not get distracted off of the main topic of how bias affects everyone's perception and stance on political issues.
However, off the top of my head, what immediately comes to mind is the time frame in which Wilson claimed that he was aware that the report of purchasing the yellow cake was a forgery, when in truth, the fact that it was a forgery wasn't known at the time.
It seems to be a convenient confabulation on Wilson's part, in support of his political objective of causing the Bush Administration embarrassment.
By the numbers ...
1. CIA Did Not Share Doubt on Iraq Data
Bush Used Report Of Uranium Bid
By Walter Pincus
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, June 12, 2003
Armed with information purportedly showing that Iraqi officials had been seeking to buy uranium in Niger one or two years earlier, the CIA in early February 2002 dispatched a retired U.S. ambassador to the country to investigate the claims, according to the senior U.S. officials and the former government official, who is familiar with the event. The sources spoke on condition of anonymity and on condition that the name of the former ambassador not be disclosed.
During his trip, the CIA's envoy spoke with the president of Niger and other Niger officials mentioned as being involved in the Iraqi effort, some of whose signatures purportedly appeared on the documents.
After returning to the United States, the envoy reported to the CIA that the uranium-purchase story was false, the sources said. Among the envoy's conclusions was that the documents may have been forged because the "dates were wrong and the names were wrong," the former U.S. government official said.
The US Congress's Bi-partisan Intelligence committee's report:
2. REPORT ON THE U.S. INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY'S PREWAR INTELLIGENCE ASSESSMENTS ON IRAQ
II. NIGER
B. Former Ambassador
The former ambassador also told Committee staff that he was the source of a Washington Post article ("CIA Did Not Share Doubt on Iraq Data; Bush Used Report of Uranium Bid," June 12, 2003) which said, "among the Envoy's conclusions was that the documents may have been forged because `the dates were wrong and the names were wrong." Committee staff asked how the former ambassador could have come to the conclusion that the "dates were wrong and the names were wrong" when he had never seen the CIA reports and had no knowledge of what names and dates were in the reports. The former ambassador said that he may have "misspoken" to the reporter when he said he concluded the documents were "forged."
3. In probe of CIA leak, two sides see politics Patrick Healy and Wayne Washington, October 2, 2003, Boston Globe:
Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson, who said a Bush aide disclosed that his wife is a CIA operative in retaliation for his criticism of the Iraq war, has worked since May as an unpaid adviser to Senator John F. Kerry, offering foreign policy advice and speechwriting tips to the Democratic presidential candidate from Massachusetts.
Did he lie, or was it unintentional retrospective falsification based on his desire to service his own agenda and bias?
I don't know. Neither does anyone except Wilson.
If it was an honest error, it was an error that was inline with his political outlook, and that's my entire point.
It's kinda like checking for scanner errors in the supermarket check-out. They always seem to favor the store, don't they?
FirmKY
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