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Vendaval -> What life experiences have shaped your political point of view? (3/18/2007 11:59:02 PM)

Greetings A/all,
 
What life experiences have shaped your political point of view?
How much do you participate in the political process?
Have your viewpoints changed over the years or remained

constant?
 
Please, this is an open discussion question, no flaming or
personal attacks! 




GeekyGirl -> RE: What life experiences have shaped your political point of view? (3/19/2007 12:02:19 AM)

I have leaned towards liberal political candidates based on life experiences.

My best friends are gay, therefore gay marriage became a big issue to me.

I am not christian, therefore christian politicians (who push the christian agenda) are someone I won't vote for.

I am fiercely uninterested in procreating,therefore abortion is also a huge issue for me.

Most of my beliefs are personal in nature rather than philosophical or theoretical

Does that count?.

Oh and I sort of participate.I vote when I feel passionately about one candidate or another.

My view points have been pretty set since my teenage years, so no changes.





hisannabelle -> RE: What life experiences have shaped your political point of view? (3/19/2007 12:10:34 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Vendaval

Greetings A/all,
 
What life experiences have shaped your political point of view?
How much do you participate in the political process?
Have your viewpoints changed over the years or remained

constant?
 
Please, this is an open discussion question, no flaming or
personal attacks! 


i choose to participate in the political process as little as possible. i vote and occasionally i might involve myself in a protest or write a letter, but i devote my sociopolitical activism time to volunteering and helping out in ways where i can see a tangible effect. i have never felt that participating in the political process myself has produced much of an effect, which leads me to feel as though i'm banging my head against a wall most of the time.

being bisexual, glbt rights are important to me (particularly marriage rights, etc.). although i have my own personal religious issues with abortion, i do believe abortion should be legal and that is also important to me. this has to do with family experiences (my sister has had 2 abortions) as well as just my outlook on personal responsibility and my own feelings of uncertainty on the topic itself. i am firmly anti-torture, anti-death penalty, i believe that rehabilitation programs should be provided and in some cases mandatory for prisoners...all of this simply stems from the fact that even though i have seen some very ugly things in my life, i refuse to let that make me view anyone as less than human, or evil. i do not believe that any one person can in and of themselves be evil. even as a rape victim, i still believe in humane treatment of incarcerated sex offenders, and rehabilitation if possible. like geeky, my views are very personal, and although people have raised some very good questions, i do not feel obligated to answer anyone's challenges to my views, nor do challenges tend to change what i believe (although they often make me think). i am not narrow-minded, but i do have some strong beliefs (especially as far as violence goes) that are difficult to shake.

my views have pretty much remained constant over the years. when i was younger, i did not even think about some of these things, but once i formed an opinion, my opinions have pretty much remained unchanged. i'm sure my political views will change over the years, or that at least i will develop opinions on issues that i have not yet...but i'll worry about that when i get there. :)





Vendaval -> RE: What life experiences have shaped your political point of view? (3/19/2007 12:21:56 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: GeekyGirl

Most of my beliefs are personal in nature rather than philosophical or theoretical

Does that count?.

Yes, of course your personal beliefs count.  [:)]







GeekyGirl -> RE: What life experiences have shaped your political point of view? (3/19/2007 12:26:49 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Vendaval

quote:

ORIGINAL: GeekyGirl

Most of my beliefs are personal in nature rather than philosophical or theoretical

Does that count?.

Yes, of course your personal beliefs count.  [:)]






Well you know, it's just that mine are all emotionally based instead of being based on sound judgment and rationalism.




Vendaval -> RE: What life experiences have shaped your political point of view? (3/19/2007 12:51:48 AM)

Ah...belief is by its very nature, subjective. 


quote:

ORIGINAL: GeekyGirl

Well you know, it's just that mine are all emotionally based instead of being based on sound judgment and rationalism.





RWAble -> RE: What life experiences have shaped your political point of view? (3/19/2007 12:54:36 AM)

I have always been a Democrat. I think Republicans should be deported. King Bush is an example of that.




sub4hire -> RE: What life experiences have shaped your political point of view? (3/19/2007 3:12:59 AM)

I keep my eyes and ears open.  Beyond that, yes some things going on in this country frustrate me.
I started taking a more active view while as a teenager living in California and Reagan was govenor he gave the insane more rights than the victims.  That hit home for me.  My sister was married to a paranoid schizophrenic and he tried to kill her on many occassions.  I was the right age at that time to put my fist through his face on numerous times.
Reagan liked them....he passed the law saying they had the right to speak up for themselves.  He had to kill her before the state could step in and help my sister.  Either he himself had to be suicidal, he had to admit himself or a judge had to put him there after a murder.
To my knowledge to this day that law has never been repealed. 
After that, I took a harder look at politicians.  I've been to the gulf serving this country.  That also polarized my views even narrower. 
I am a new hound...I get my news from many different sources so I attempt to keep up on world affairs.  If I were growing up today I'm not so sure I would serve my country.  I have a hard time pushing my neices and nephews to join up anymore.
I am not a democrat, nor a republican and not even really an independant.  I generally vote for whomever I think has half a chance of doing the job when the election comes around.




SusanofO -> RE: What life experiences have shaped your political point of view? (3/19/2007 3:35:01 AM)

I always vote if there is a state or national election, and can only think of once since I was 18 when I coudn't get to the polls.

I have written my state reps in Congress, as well as state Senators, more than once, to protest the state of foster care and children awaiting foster care in my state, and also about what I saw at the time as a dearth of choices for some of the parents of these kids for available community mental health care (the situation has since improved a bit, as I was definitely not the only person writing letters about that situation).

*My age, and watching the performance in office of particular candidates over the years (I am 47), has definitley affected my political POV, as well as a few other things (listed here at the end of this post.)

*I am a registered Independent, who until a few years ago, was a Democrat. I just reached a point where I could see that (from my POV) there were sometimes candidates I appreciated more from either party, on a local and state level, so I changed my affiliation.

These days, I will try to ignore a candidate's party affiliation (but admit I can tend to lean towards Dems, but not always), and try to listen mostly to exactly what they are saying, if it goes further than what I consider a media "sound bite" (like if there is a debate on tv, or a lengthy interview with t candidate in a news magazine I read) to see what I can glean from that, as far as what they say their POV is on this or that issue.

On a local (and a national level) I can sometimes find  myself speculating on how likely I may think it is that a candidate's proposed agenda has at least a fair chance to succeed, based on a political climate that may surround them once in office - depending on the issue in question, and whether I think it should succeed, or not (and even though this is undoubtedly hard to predict, and candidates can change their minds, and say things to appease voters during an election, etc.)

And even if I don't always do that, these thoughts have also sometimes influenced my vote, in one direction or another. But mostly it will be based on the candidate's positions on particular issues, or their proposed (and-or past apparent)general political agenda. 

In doing that, I try to get a feel for whether that means they'll actually act on those agendas or beliefs for awhile (despite what they might say they will do, although that is a lot of the time, hard to predict).

I do my best to wade through what I consider "hype" and at the same time try to keep some faith that someone I vote for will follow through at least somewhat (if not more energetically) with their proposed agenda, if it is the reason I voted for them, although I realize compromise is built into the political system we have. If I feel very disappointed with the performance I see, I don't vote for an elected candidate twice (if they run again). 

*I consider myself, overall, more of a "liberal" than a "conservative" although it depends on the area in question. When candidates and voters and citizens toss around those terms, I am never quite sure what they mean, in certain instances, and this seemed to cause both confusion and miscommunication re: Intent about a particular candidate's political agenda for me, at times (regardless of whether I think I intuitively "know" what they mean, and the candidate seems to think it is apparent what they mean).

*I live in a largely Republican state, but was raised in a family of social workers, teachers and attorneys, most of whom had an outlook that could be viewed as either Democrat or Independent, (w/one Republican exception and that person didn't become a Republican until well into mid-life). They also sometimes vigorously discussed politics (sometimes w/opposing POVs) and so I think that influenced my viewpoint, and possibly my interest-level.

*I am fairly materially comfortable at present, and have been for years, however I have been without health insurance more that once in my life, and also many, many moons ago was also homeless for a brief period, and those experiences definitely affected my political POV in that if I am going to identify or be attracted to a political an agenda, it is likelier it would be one for those in some sort of "underdog" position (but not always, it does depend on the situation). 

- Susan




UtopianRanger -> RE: What life experiences have shaped your political point of view? (3/19/2007 3:36:54 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Vendaval

Greetings A/all,
 
What life experiences have shaped your political point of view?
How much do you participate in the political process?
Have your viewpoints changed over the years or remained

constant?
 
Please, this is an open discussion question, no flaming or
personal attacks! 


Absolutely great topic, Vendeval.

It wasn't but yesterday I was reading posts and thinking about this very topic. I would say first though, without naming any names, there's actually more than a few posters in this section who when I read their posts/opinions, I see a mirror reflection of myself four or five years back. I'm constantly saying to myself " I woulda thought like that a few years back''.

 Perhaps this is the reason why I am never truly offended by any one persons view points /leanings to either side, no matter how short sighted /myopic they might seem to me at the time. And I know that my ideology /precepts are always in a state of constant evolvement; what doesn't make sense now may make sense later.

What's shaped my basic platform is a fairly conservative upbringing which preached extreme fiscal responsibility. My father would /and still does, talk about the government in much the same manner. He would tell us what I always say here '' The government is stupid, short sighted and wasteful; the money is best left in the hands of the people who made it in the first place''

On the social side.... I grew up as a catholic with a mother that went to church every Sunday and made us go with her. Same thing with catechism, she forced us to go and I couldn't stand it. She'd drop me off, and I'd pretend like I was going up to the door, then walk around the corner and go to the park and shoot hoops instead. So I guess you could say I'm a rebellious MF when it comes to any kind of organized religion. I have very little need to be around zealot-type-thinking that surrounds organized religion.

But the Bush administration changed everything for me. It forced/ pushed me to see things in a new light, let go of my traditional perceptions and think in a new dimension unconstrained by the walls of the box.

I don't view this country/ world so much in the context of a phony left/right paradigm, I view more in a way the depicts the elites making every attempt to contain, control and subjugate the masses. They are neither blue or red ; they are one color, cloaked in a manner that suites their purpose at a specific point in time.

I've often pondered what on earth propels a mindset that bears such a ravenous hunger for control and to dominate so entirely. I have to admit though...I still don't understand it.





- R





meatcleaver -> RE: What life experiences have shaped your political point of view? (3/19/2007 3:42:16 AM)

I was born in a poor area of Liverpool, five of us we lived in the old attic rooms of a huge house that housed six families which in its glory would have been owned by rich merchants and politicians but then was a slum, standing next to a bomb site (ten years after the war). My father moved to Yorkshire to work in the coalmine so we could get a hose owned by the mine. My first political memory was of celebrations in the street when the Labour Party got into power in 1963. I also remember the disappointment of my parents generation when it did nothing. I worked in the mine when I left school at 15 and at 17 I was on strike and manning the picket lines. That strike was a success but I thought working in the mine was for mugs so when I finished my apprenticeship I decided to travel and work abroad and loved it and went to art college in Holland.  There was another coal strike in 1984 and went back to help finance my parents who had no income. I was at the Battle For Orgreave and realised the government was happy to use violence to get its way. I saw a lot of thuggery by the police which was directed by senior officers. I saw innocent people arrested for protesting about police thuggery. After the strike and the closure of the mines the local economy was effectively abandoned by Thatcher ans the tories and drugs and guns moved into the vacuum. The place is still poor after twenty years and what economic recovery there was was paid for by the EU though the government redirected most of the money to the rich south.

Now ask me why I'm not patriotic and why I dislike the British state and would love to see real democracy where market forces are politically controled and are answerable to the people through truely representative politicians.




meatcleaver -> RE: What life experiences have shaped your political point of view? (3/19/2007 4:12:33 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: UtopianRanger

I don't view this country/ world so much in the context of a phony left/right paradigm, I view more in a way the depicts the elites making every attempt to contain, control and subjugate the masses. They are neither blue or red ; they are one color, cloaked in a manner that suites their purpose at a specific point in time.



UR. This isn't so much a view of your country but can be extended to the view of the world. Forget nationalities, that is shifting sand, the rich subjugate the poor and use nationalism or any other effective form of propaganda to maintain their supremacy.




UtopianRanger -> RE: What life experiences have shaped your political point of view? (3/19/2007 4:37:12 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

quote:

ORIGINAL: UtopianRanger

I don't view this country/ world so much in the context of a phony left/right paradigm, I view more in a way the depicts the elites making every attempt to contain, control and subjugate the masses. They are neither blue or red ; they are one color, cloaked in a manner that suites their purpose at a specific point in time.



UR. This isn't so much a view of your country but can be extended to the view of the world. Forget nationalities, that is shifting sand, the rich subjugate the poor and use nationalism or any other effective form of propaganda to maintain their supremacy.



Definitely Meat.

Regardless of whether they drape themselves in a robe depicting red, white and blue, the highest echelons of leadership in this country is but one color to me....black. They can't fool me....greed, supremacy and the quest to dominate entirely is all but transparent, my friend.



 - R






NorthernGent -> RE: What life experiences have shaped your political point of view? (3/19/2007 8:40:07 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Vendaval

Greetings A/all,
 
What life experiences have shaped your political point of view?
How much do you participate in the political process?
Have your viewpoints changed over the years or remained

constant?
 
Please, this is an open discussion question, no flaming or
personal attacks! 


1) My working-class background.
2) Being raised in an area with a tradition of socialism and workers' solidarity.
3) The policies of the Conservative government from 1984-1992.
4) Studying international relations and social history at university i.e. understanding how establishments operate and their contempt for the people.
5) I'm Northern English, so I'm aware that concessions for the people were won by the people through the Trade Union movement who formed the Labour Party in response to appalling working and living conditions in what was, at the time, the wealthiest nation on the planet.

The small details may change, and the practacilities may change according to social developments world-wide, but my values are constant.

In terms of involvement in the political process, I've been on anti-war marches and I'm a former member of The Labour Party. I also get involved in local council politics in my area.

Good thread, Vendaval.




juliaoceania -> RE: What life experiences have shaped your political point of view? (3/19/2007 9:47:19 AM)

quote:

What life experiences have shaped your political point of view?

 
 
My life experiences have shaped my views. I was raised in a fairly traditional family structure. Both my parents loved each other, my mom stayed home through most of my childhood and did not work when I was young... but both of my parents were very liberal spiritually and politically. They raised me to suspect government's role in my life. I grew up in the shadow of Vietnam, Watergate, and terribly political assassinations in which justice was never meted out.

The thing that most shaped my views though was losing my father because we went from middle class to being poor when his real estate office failed. He was a real estate broker and we lost everything because the markets failed. We lost our home, our health insurance, and then we lost him because he could not afford to go to the doctor.


quote:

How much do you participate in the political process?


 
I used to participate all the time, I have not done so in a couple of years though. I have decided that when I move I may become active in the Green Party. I am looking for a job in the environmentalism field, so I may become politically active within my employment.

quote:

Have your viewpoints changed over the years or remained
constant?


 
A couple of my stances have changed, like the one regarding gun control. I am more of a proponent of state's rights now than I was when I was younger. I am also for protectionist trade, which I bought into Bill Clinton and NAFTA when I was in my 20s because it sounded good on paper.

The rest of my positions have not changed substantially, although my reasoning behind my stances is more mature and my logic for my beliefs is more well developed now.





SimplyMichael -> RE: What life experiences have shaped your political point of view? (3/19/2007 10:32:32 AM)

I have spent most of my life on the outside looking in on so many levels, socially, economically, intellecutally.  I had a very odd upbringing that has allowed me to walk in many peoples shoes and see things from many perspectives.  I believe in animal rights and I have held the beating hearts of rabbits I have butchered to eat.  I am a left wing liberal that owned my first gunstore before I was old enough to have the license in my own name.  I have spent much of my life as an entrepenuer earning my own living.  I have dined in the best restaraunts in San Francisco and spent time eating sandwiches with nothing more than cheese in them.  I was raised to believe in the lever, both in the physical and metaphysical sense, which means that thinking before you attack a problem or issue is far more important than brute strength. 

It is because of my wide range of experiences that I find myself a liberal although many liberals might not consider me thus.  I don't accept a position because it is liberal, I try to find the path that best serves the goal and combines the best potential for success.




SirDiscipliner69 -> RE: What life experiences have shaped your political point of view? (3/19/2007 10:34:04 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Vendaval 
Please, this is an open discussion question, no flaming or
personal attacks! 


you just eliminated half of the given responders on the site..[image]http://www.collarchat.com/micons/m10.gif[/image]

That is a spankable offense.


Ross
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Sternhand4 -> RE: What life experiences have shaped your political point of view? (3/19/2007 3:03:11 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: GeekyGirl

quote:

ORIGINAL: Vendaval

quote:

ORIGINAL: GeekyGirl

Most of my beliefs are personal in nature rather than philosophical or theoretical

Does that count?.

Yes, of course your personal beliefs count.  [:)]






Well you know, it's just that mine are all emotionally based instead of being based on sound judgment and rationalism.


Congradulations.... you will receive your Democratic party enrollment forms soon...
Be well..[sm=biggrin.gif]




Vendaval -> RE: What life experiences have shaped your political point of view? (3/19/2007 5:01:13 PM)

I am an American citizen, born and raised in this country.
I grew up working class and have lived in different environments;
urban, suburban, rural and the barrio.  I was working and self-
supporting from age 18 onwards.  Many of the people in my high school
and neighborhood group self-destructed on alcohol and
drugs and became statistics in first the juvenille justice system
and later the adult criminal system.  Many of them have been in
and out of addiction rehabilitation and on welfare.
 
I made a conscious decision to not be another damn "statistic
on a government chart" (quoting The Police) and frequently
worked full time with 1 job or 2 part time jobs to put myself
through community college and undergrad requirements.
There were 4 instances in my life where between work and
school there were not days off at all, a 7 day a week grind.
 
For many years, I worked in the social services/mental health field.
The work was difficult and the wages not the best, but making
a positive change in the lives of the less fortunate and disabled
was very rewarding.
 
Then the non-profit failed and we lost everything, including our
medical benefits, no COBRA coverage as mandated by the Federal
government because the whole organization was bank-rupt,
nothing.  Because I have pre-existing medical conditions
caused by genetics, I could not get medical insurance.
 
The medical insurance agent I talked to informed me
that once you are turned down for medical coverage,
by any insurer for any reason, you are black-listed by
the entire medical insurance industry in the US for the
rest of your life.  Getting medical insurance on your
own will always be difficult.  You need to be covered
by your employer.
 
I made the decision to return to university for new education and
skills even though both grants and loans would be required.
That was a wise decision, although paying off the loans will
take years.
 
My mother is and has always been a strong-willed, passionate
Irish-American woman, her hair is now white rather than red,
but her eyes still as green.  She was a tom-boy and loved to
read as girl, and she passed those traits on to me as well.
She is a great inspiration to me by her strength of character
in pursuing her education as a returning adult student.  She
lived through the Great Depression, worked and took care of
her children in the face of great adversity, poverty and prejudice.
 
My family is multi-ethnic, muli-coloured and multi-lingual,
spread over the US, Canada, Latin America, Hong-Kong,
China, Spain and Italy.  I have never been able to understand
racial and ethnic hatred, because at any family gathering, you
all shades and shapes and sizes were represented.  I realized
at an early age, that all of us are related on some level or
another, even if we are distant relatives. 
 
I am humanitarian by nature and would much rather resolve
conflict by diplomacy rather than warfare.  The environment,
health care, education and a good economy are all priorities.
Human rights and civil rights will always be of great concern
to me.  My political activities of late have been more of voting
and sharing information and less of direct activism because
of personal and family responsibilities.  Come this summer
or fall, more time will open up for me to participate in
a greater capacity.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 




Vendaval -> RE: What life experiences have shaped your political point of view? (3/19/2007 5:42:39 PM)

Keep dreaming, Ross. I am on the wrong side of the paddle for ya!  [8D]

quote:

ORIGINAL: SirDiscipliner69
you just eliminated half of the given responders on the site..[image]http://www.collarchat.com/micons/m10.gif[/image]

That is a spankable offense.


Ross
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