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curiouslyseeking -> Disobedience Beg (3/22/2007 4:07:44 PM)
*I believe we can agree that when slaves are displeasing or disobedient they should take responsibility for their actions and disclose said situation to their Dominant.* *Next step; In your opinion, should the slave;* *A) Beg for mercy and forgiveness?* *B) Beg for punishment and cleansing?* *C) Other forms of retribution?* *D) All of the above?* *Thank you,* *curious*

Wildfleurs -> RE: Disobedience Beg (3/22/2007 4:11:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: curiouslyseeking *I believe we can agree that when slaves are displeasing or disobedient they should take responsibility for their actions and disclose said situation to their Dominant.* *Next step; In your opinion, should the slave;* *A) Beg for mercy and forgiveness?* *B) Beg for punishment and cleansing?* *C) Other forms of retribution?* *D) All of the above?* *Thank you,* *curious* In my relationship I believe that option A would be what my owner prefers. He also likes some sort of demonstration of devotion and desire to continue as his slave. C~

kyraofMists -> RE: Disobedience Beg (3/22/2007 4:33:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: curiouslyseeking *I believe we can agree that when slaves are displeasing or disobedient they should take responsibility for their actions and disclose said situation to their Dominant.* *Next step; In your opinion, should the slave;* *A) Beg for mercy and forgiveness?* *B) Beg for punishment and cleansing?* *C) Other forms of retribution?* *D) All of the above?* *Thank you,* *curious* E. None of the above I apologize and accept whatever negative consequences are a result of my mistake. He does not punish as a rule. Knight's kyra

curiouslyseeking -> RE: Disobedience Beg (3/22/2007 4:38:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Wildfleurs He also likes some sort of demonstration of devotion and desire to continue as his slave. C~ *Thank you Wildfleurs,* *To better understand is it a physical demonstration, verbal demonstration, act of handing a corporal punishment tool, some ritual?*

DiurnalVampire -> RE: Disobedience Beg (3/22/2007 4:46:40 PM)
They should apologize. Beyond that, they should know their owners well enough to know how the rest of the situaton will be dealt with. In some situations, begging for forgiveness or punishment might be appropriate. For me, it would make me angry, becasue I see it as drecting the response to the misbehavior. I will decide if someone is forgiven, and I will decide if they are punished or not. However for them to beg for a punishment would make me wonder if they acted out in order to be punished... I tend to be a bit skeptical becasue of how often that has hapened with subs and slaves of mine. DV

curiouslyseeking -> RE: Disobedience Beg (3/22/2007 4:46:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kyraofMists E. None of the above I apologize and accept whatever negative consequences are a result of my mistake. He does not punish as a rule. Knight's kyra *(smiling) Are your consequences outside of my box?* *Are they imposed consequences or natural consequences (lessening the trust, causing disappointment, etc)?* *Thank you, kyra for sharing.*

curiouslyseeking -> RE: Disobedience Beg (3/22/2007 4:49:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DiurnalVampire In some situations, begging for forgiveness or punishment might be appropriate. For me, it would make me angry, becasue I see it as drecting the response to the misbehavior. I will decide if someone is forgiven, and I will decide if they are punished or not. DV *A very understandable point, DiurnalVampire.*

Wildfleurs -> RE: Disobedience Beg (3/22/2007 4:54:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: curiouslyseeking quote: ORIGINAL: Wildfleurs He also likes some sort of demonstration of devotion and desire to continue as his slave. C~ *Thank you Wildfleurs,* *To better understand is it a physical demonstration, verbal demonstration, act of handing a corporal punishment tool, some ritual?* It depends, I would say my owner likes a physical demonstration typically (for instance I've noticed sincere tears are something he likes... he also likes to take me a particular way as well). C~

kyraofMists -> RE: Disobedience Beg (3/22/2007 5:01:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: curiouslyseeking quote: ORIGINAL: kyraofMists E. None of the above I apologize and accept whatever negative consequences are a result of my mistake. He does not punish as a rule. Knight's kyra *(smiling) Are your consequences outside of my box?* *Are they imposed consequences or natural consequences (lessening the trust, causing disappointment, etc)?* *Thank you, kyra for sharing.* My pleasure. Mostly they are natural consequences. There are times that he will impose consequences but not out of retribution or punishment. The consequences are designed to teach me the behavior that he expects. I see retribution as a way to get even with someone. While both punishment and retribution can be negative consequences, I do not see either as tools that teach me how he wants me to behave. Knight's kyra

curiouslyseeking -> RE: Disobedience Beg (3/22/2007 5:17:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DiurnalVampire They should apologize. DV quote: ORIGINAL: kyraofMists I apologize <snip> Knight's kyra *Interesting that you both just use the term to apologize..... curious....Would a sincere beg not demonstrate more remorse?*

kyraofMists -> RE: Disobedience Beg (3/22/2007 5:28:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: curiouslyseeking *Interesting that you both just use the term to apologize..... curious....Would a sincere beg not demonstrate more remorse?* I do not think so. To beg is to ask for something. To apologize is to admit to an error. If I have done something wrong then I see no reason for me to ask him for something. It is me who is required to give him something and not the other way around. If I were to beg, it would make the situation all about me and my pain. When it should be about him and his disappointment. In general begging is only desired in my relationship when it comes to sex and play. Knight's kyra

KatyLied -> RE: Disobedience Beg (3/22/2007 5:36:46 PM)
quote: Would a sincere beg not demonstrate more remorse? I think a sincere apology (without rationalizing the behavior) is the best thing to do. Just as you would do in any relationship. And then accept the punishment. I think that begging would prolong the situation beyond what is necessary.

bearincuffs -> RE: Disobedience Beg (3/22/2007 5:43:44 PM)
I have to agree with kyra on this. If I'm disobedience, I have have to take responsibility and accept what punishment Master deems appropiate.

Kinkypupper -> RE: Disobedience Beg (3/22/2007 6:00:30 PM)
ALL of the above and whatever their Master decides is appropriate and will insure it does not reoccur

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Disobedience Beg (3/22/2007 6:00:32 PM)
What Kyra said. Too many subs are already too dramatic and obsessed with making mistakes and behavior problems. The more you can make it "not a big deal, just something to work on" the better.

KnightofMists -> RE: Disobedience Beg (3/22/2007 6:01:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: curiouslyseeking *I believe we can agree that when slaves are displeasing or disobedient they should take responsibility for their actions and disclose said situation to their Dominant.* *Next step; In your opinion, should the slave;* *A) Beg for mercy and forgiveness?* *B) Beg for punishment and cleansing?* *C) Other forms of retribution?* *D) All of the above?* *Thank you,* *curious* kyra already gave the answer... but I will add this... I am not interested in retribution or the my girls making their disobedience being about them. It's about Correcting the Behavior! Postive Consequences result in my pleasure at best and my contentment at worse. Negative consequences result in my disappointment at best.. and at worse end the relationship. It's simple.. Understand my Will and Obey it! In the process to understand my will ... ask for clarification not justification.

curiouslyseeking -> RE: Disobedience Beg (3/22/2007 6:04:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross What Kyra said. Too many subs are already too dramatic and obsessed with making mistakes and behavior problems. The more you can make it "not a big deal, just something to work on" the better. *Hello, LA...going to pick your perspective a bit..[:)]* *Would you change your response if it was a repeated offense?*

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Disobedience Beg (3/22/2007 6:08:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: curiouslyseeking Would you change your response if it was a repeated offense? It would require a lot more talking and depth searching on all sides. I like to say "Don't make it a big deal and it won't become one" But sometimes it does become one and you deal with it as best you can. I just don't see the merit of begging and profuse retribution helping someone with a behavior problem. I know a LOT of subs need to purge their pointless guilt, and a LOT of subs need to feel forgiven and well penanced, and I'm not against doing any of that, but what really matters to me is good behavior and security between us. So I'm going to work on that more than anything.

curiouslyseeking -> RE: Disobedience Beg (3/22/2007 6:12:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KnightofMists I am not interested in retribution or the my girls making their disobedience being about them. *Very interesting, KoM...* *I would like to hear someone's view on the opposite end of this spectrum...* quote: In the process to understand my will ... ask for clarification not justification. *I really like this...definitely great bumper sticker material[;)] (if ya got a long bumper..)*

curiouslyseeking -> RE: Disobedience Beg (3/22/2007 6:15:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross I just don't see the merit of begging and profuse retribution helping someone with a behavior problem. I know a LOT of subs need to purge their pointless guilt, and a LOT of subs need to feel forgiven and well penanced, and I'm not against doing any of that, but what really matters to me is good behavior and security between us. So I'm going to work on that more than anything. *Great outlook, LA.....thank you for your input.*

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